Tips, Tricks and Fixes

[Marine Mike]

Originally Posted by Snake_XRS

If the system gets a YLOD again with a disc inside, is there a manual bypass button of some sort that will manually eject it? (like on a PC where you can stick a paperclip to pop the drive out)

Not that I'm aware of.

[Snake_XRS]

Originally Posted by Marine Mike

Not that I'm aware of.

So then the only way is to dismantle the drive itself?

[fsavoie]

Originally Posted by Shin-Ra

I'm not so sure most people buy a new one but imagine they all sent their PS3's back to Sony, how are you getting the figures to work out there's unacceptable failure? Still impossible to count.


There's millions of 20/60GB, 40, 80 and 160GB PS3's out there and forums increasingly bringing users together. What do you expect to see exactly?


And I've only ever had a PC and Mac have critical components fail completely. Worst I've had in a console was dirty/rusty PSU contacts causing random resets on a Dreamcast.

Doesn't mean every other system since the PSone was as reliable as my experience.

I know I should let it go, but you seems to be too protective of the ps3 and accept no negative feedback on it. I know I'm very out of luck having 3 dead ps3, I don't say any numbers I don't have proof and all about fail rate and I dont say that because one of mine is dead of the YLOD that all will die, but all I'm saying is that YLOD is common enough to find talk about it a lot on the web and even have a known name contrary to other failure type like the red screen on my last PS3. I know its normal to have some failure rate on any product but In my case, after 3 consoles in 3 years, if it were a micro-wave or a blu-ray player, I would definately change brand, but I loves the ps3 games so I stick with it.

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by Shin-Ra

Great logic there.

Personal experience teaches far better than anecdotes on the interwebs.

If they're all dying slowly apart from each other that's perfectly normal.

All of them dying of similar causes too soon smacks of either a faulty design or poor QC. Do you think the number of failed PS3's is an acceptable level or abnormally high? Do think those that have failed about the right time or prematurely?

What data do you have to support that an abnormally high number have died?

I'm saying the only one with the numbers is Sony and they're unlikely to talk.

[Shin-Ra]

Originally Posted by fsavoie

I know I should let it go, but you seems to be too protective of the ps3 and accept no negative feedback on it.

Why should I accept that angry victims are unreasonably trying to spread the idea that there's abnormally high failure when there's no reliable proof to support it?

but all I'm saying is that YLOD is common enough to find talk about it a lot on the web and even have a known name contrary to other failure type like the red screen on my last PS3.

What's strange about some faults being more common than others? I'd be worried if there were regular reports about a wide range of issues.

Originally Posted by Uxi

Personal experience teaches far better than anecdotes on the interwebs.

Still completely failed logic.

All of them dying of similar causes too soon smacks of either a faulty design or poor QC. Do you think the number of failed PS3's is an acceptable level or abnormally high? Do think those that have failed about the right time or prematurely?

What's "All of them"? You seem to think you know there's an abnormal failure rate? What are you basing this on exactly?

We're going in circles, you're trying to prove something there's no reasonable reason to believe is happening.

[fsavoie]

Originally Posted by Shin-Ra

Why should I accept that angry victims are unreasonably trying to spread the idea that there's abnormally high failure when there's no reliable proof to support it?

Well I guess that having 3 dead ps3 that were in a very good environnement plus with the readings on forums is proof enough for me to get angry and to suspect something wrong.

I would be curious to see the failure rate numbers. I don't even win a damn cafe at tim horton's promotion which have a 1/9 chance after almost 20 times...

Anyway to change subject, I was surprise to be well served in french at sony canada (I'm still surprise that they offer a french service at all). the first time I've use the french service I've asked him to talk in english because his french was almost not understandable, but either the've improve that service or I've just got a better frenchy

[Shin-Ra]

Originally Posted by fsavoie

Well I guess that having 3 dead ps3 that were in a very good environnement plus with the readings on forums is proof enough for me to get angry and to suspect something wrong.

And me having no dead PS3's is proof of perfect reliability? And what are those readings on forums exactly? You keep mentioning them but can't share these reliable numbers..

[fsavoie]

Originally Posted by Shin-Ra

And me having no dead PS3's is proof of perfect reliability? And what are those readings on forums exactly? You keep mentioning them but can't share these reliable numbers..

Damn, you really try to pick fight where there is no... I've even said that I DON'T have numbers, and that based on my awfully alarming numbers of dead ps3 + all others forums that mention people having YLOD that gives an IMPRESSION to ME that there is something suspicious. I do not claim that ps3 is crap nor that sony should extend warranty nor that the failure rate is too high.

And no having one good ps3 is not proof of perfect reliability but yes having multiple failed one gives me right to be wondering about reliability issue. How many people would by the same tv after 3 premature death?

I'm not angry at sony nor at the ps3 but I do start to get angry at you

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by Shin-Ra

What's "All of them"?

All the ones that have YLOD'ed.

You seem to think you know there's an abnormal failure rate? What are you basing this on exactly?

We're going in circles, you're trying to prove something there's no reasonable reason to believe is happening.

You didn't answer the question. Do you think the number of failed PS3's is an acceptable level or abnormally high? Do think those that have failed, failed about the right time or prematurely?

[Hedchekr]

He won't answer. If you look at this site alone, and the fact they have videos on mutiple sites for fixing the YLOD you know its happening, alot. But just cause Sony hasn't confirmed anything its not happening like that. Your opinions and experiences do not matter to Shin. PS3 is golden remember that.

EDIT: I had mine YLOD but fixed it. I think there is a problem, but where is it? Its not on the 360s level but its there. I have had 360s since launch, and PS3 since launch. 2 failed xboxs for me, with at least 4-5 freinds that had one or more die on them, plus even my brothers friend who has 3 360s that are broken. I had my original 60gb PS3 die, after folding, gaming, and blu-ray playing. No one else I know has had a PS3 die (granted nobody else has a launch console). So I think its not as bad, though its pretty common.

[Shin-Ra]

Originally Posted by Uxi

All the ones that have YLOD'ed.

But you still haven't proved this is true:

All of them dying of similar causes too soon smacks of either a faulty design or poor QC.

Proof?

This isn't a situation where you start by proving something out of the ordinary isn't happening, you prove that it IS.

You didn't answer the question. Do you think the number of failed PS3's is an acceptable level or abnormally high? Do think those that have failed, failed about the right time or prematurely?

I think failure's at an acceptable level, the press would come down on the PS3 like a tonne of bricks otherwise. After the RRoD, everyone's watching extra closely and I don't see continuing hints from tech sites or blogs suggesting there's above average failure in PS3 hardware.

[Hedchekr]

[QUOTE=Shin-Ra;3038714]Proof?[QUOTE]

I was actually quite impressed with the engineering on the PS3 as I took it apart. The heat sink is freakin huge. It kind of boggled my mind on why the fan was a the bottom but if that was a problem, my PS3 would have died much sooner. In fact the only "problem" I saw is I thought they used way too much thermal paste on the chips but who knows?

The PS3 gets hot (as does the 360), you have to keep it clean and in a open space. I thought I keep mine clean, man when I took it apart, I saw I had dust that was still in there and it was built up around the chips. Easily that could have caused the failure right there.

So many people don't bother to vacuum or blow out there machines and then stuff them in to entertainment centers, right next to or on top of other hot equipment. These same people are then stumped about how did my machine die?

So endusers are part of, if not the main problem. Not saying that there aren't PS3s that just fail.

[Snake_XRS]

[QUOTE=Hedchekr;3038777][QUOTE=Shin-Ra;3038714]Proof?

I was actually quite impressed with the engineering on the PS3 as I took it apart. The heat sink is freakin huge. It kind of boggled my mind on why the fan was a the bottom but if that was a problem, my PS3 would have died much sooner. In fact the only "problem" I saw is I thought they used way too much thermal paste on the chips but who knows?

The PS3 gets hot (as does the 360), you have to keep it clean and in a open space. I thought I keep mine clean, man when I took it apart, I saw I had dust that was still in there and it was built up around the chips. Easily that could have caused the failure right there.

So many people don't bother to vacuum or blow out there machines and then stuff them in to entertainment centers, right next to or on top of other hot equipment. These same people are then stumped about how did my machine die?

So endusers are part of, if not the main problem. Not saying that there aren't PS3s that just fail.

What you say is true, as I was also shocked when I opened mine up at how much dust was in there ( I also regularly use compressed air and vacuum out the vents).

But, why would someone open up their unit prior to the end of the 3 year extended warranty (if they bought it)? Once you do that, your warranty is over.

Also, Sony doesn't mention anywhere in their manual anything about opening up the unit for deep cleaning, so it's not logical to put the blame on the consumer for the machines demise.

[Hedchekr]

Originally Posted by Snake_XRS

Also, Sony doesn't mention anywhere in their manual anything about opening up the unit for deep cleaning, so it's not logical to put the blame on the consumer for the machines demise.

I was refering to the people that don't do anything. No cleaning or anything. Most people when they say I cleaned my PS3 they mean they wiped the outside off.

[Marine Mike]

Originally Posted by Snake_XRS

Also, Sony doesn't mention anywhere in their manual anything about opening up the unit for deep cleaning, so it's not logical to put the blame on the consumer for the machines demise.

No, but it does recommend:

Vents
When dust accumulates in the system vents, remove the dust with a low-powered vacuum cleaner.

[Snake_XRS]

Originally Posted by Marine Mike

No, but it does recommend:

That's true Mike, but by the time dust has accumulated on the system's vents, believe me you have a bird's nest worth of dust in your system. Mine looked like I just took it out of the box from the outside, but the inside was crazy.

[Uxi]

I had some dust but wasn't as noticible as some that I've seen. Seemed like nowhere near enough thermal paste (it was dried/caked spotted about like a leopard with many visible spots to the bare chips). Cleaned out the heat sink and fan... alot of the case isn't designed to get that dust out. The "turbo fan" mode that they added with the 40GB could have perhaps been useful... or they could have tried to make the case capable of being blown through with compressed air...

I'd say there was a noticible increase in fan noise, though hard to pin down exactly when. If I still had an un-YLOD'ed launch 20 or 60GB, I would most definitely be opening it up when the warranty expired to blow it clean.

[neremixed]

Originally Posted by Uxi

I had some dust but wasn't as noticible as some that I've seen. Seemed like nowhere near enough thermal paste (it was dried/caked spotted about like a leopard with many visible spots to the bare chips). Cleaned out the heat sink and fan... alot of the case isn't designed to get that dust out. The "turbo fan" mode that they added with the 40GB could have perhaps been useful... or they could have tried to make the case capable of being blown through with compressed air...

I'd say there was a noticible increase in fan noise, though hard to pin down exactly when. If I still had an un-YLOD'ed launch 20 or 60GB, I would most definitely be opening it up when the warranty expired to blow it clean.

I think I'm definitely going to open up my mgs4 80gb and blow it clean.

I been pretty paranoid lately. Been putting a lot more hours into the machine since GoWIII/FFXIII/Heavy Rain came out. So much that I have a fan on blowing at the front of the ps3, since I'm assuming that's where the air comes inside of the ps3.

[Stiny-Ray2]

How long does it take Sony to ship a Playstation 3 back from Sony?

[fsavoie]

Originally Posted by Stiny-Ray2

How long does it take Sony to ship a Playstation 3 back from Sony?

When I've called them, they said 3-4 buisness day.