Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread - Page 1060 - Blu-ray Forum

SCLee · 03-26-2020, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Vilya

Please do not assign a number if you can not support it with a source. Fake statistcs are one of my pet peeves.

According to Statista.com as far back as 2016, 41% of households in the U.S. cared enough to have some kind of home theater surround sound system.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...d-penetration/

It is likely an even higher percentage now, but this is all that I could find with the 60 seconds of effort I was willing to spend looking.

When someone says 99% of people, it means the universal, exaggerated spin on something. Of course, I don't know the real number.

When did soundbars come in though? Are soundbars now outselling home theatre systems? What percentage of those systems are Atmos? I know you don't care and neither do I particularly, but posting a figure of 41% without knowing all the variables doesn't mean much.

Vilya · 03-26-2020, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Steedeel

I have the LG C8 in my living room, (not HT just to be clear) it’s a very capable screen. I also feed it mostly Blu-ray, UHD and Sky Q (4K sport looks fabulous but I can see artefacts with Sky’s bit rates. The tv also upscales Blu-ray very capably.

You are going to see a fantastic picture with UHD disc on this tv.

I love the look of an OLED, but LG's 88" model costs $30,000. It is 8K, too, but still way out of my budget.

Once you have a really large screen, dropping down in size is a bitter pill to swallow, OLED or not.

Vilya · 03-26-2020, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SCLee

When someone says 99% of people, it means the universal, exaggerated spin on something. Of course, I don't know the real number.

When did soundbars come in though? Are soundbars now outselling home theatre systems? What percentage of those systems are Atmos? I know you don't care and neither do I particularly, but posting a figure of 41% without knowing all the variables doesn't mean much.

That site will only provide the juicy details if you become a paid member; it is not that they do not have them. Seeing as I only spent 60 seconds of effort here to find the statistic, don't expect me to pay for the nitty gritty specifics.

Soundbars are much cheaper than true home theater surround sound systems, so it is entirely probable that they outsell the real thing. Cheap. Convenient. The mantra of the typical streamer.

SCLee · 03-26-2020, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Vilya

Are you sure that you want to see them? Because once you do, you likely always will.

Sure, if you have access to Netflix, please choose something (if you have the time and you want to), explain where they are and I'll let you know if I can see them.

Banding, artifacts, poorer resolution, poor colours, haloing etc...

SCLee · 03-26-2020, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Vilya

That site will only provide the juicy details if you become a paid member; it is not that they do not have them.

If we look at the world I would be surprised if more than 10% of people have a home theatre system, people who have access to a large screen TV. I expect most of them listen through their TV speakers and don't even have a soundbar. I would be happy to be proven wrong.

Without doing the tests, I'm not sure I could tell the difference between DTS, Atmos, True HD, Mono or whatever else there is. Anyway, it doesn't really matter, you have Atmos and you enjoy it, that's great!

SCLee · 03-26-2020, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Steedeel

I have the LG C8 in my living room, (not HT just to be clear) it’s a very capable screen. I also feed it mostly Blu-ray, UHD and Sky Q (4K sport looks fabulous but I can see artefacts with Sky’s bit rates. The tv also upscales Blu-ray very capably.

You are going to see a fantastic picture with UHD disc on this tv.

And I do. But I also see a great picture with 4K streaming, but (inadvertently) you bring up an excellent point, unless we all have the same equipment, it would never be a fair test.

Although, the UHD disc bitrate test will be fair. Waits for Vilya

SCLee · 03-26-2020, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Vilya

That site will only provide the juicy details if you become a paid member; it is not that they do not have them. Seeing as I only spent 60 seconds of effort here to find the statistic, don't expect me to pay for the nitty gritty specifics.

Soundbars are much cheaper than true home theater surround sound systems, so it is entirely probable that they outsell the real thing. Cheap. Convenient. The mantra of the typical streamer.

I could never have a true Atmos system, as it would be ridiculously disruptive to put speakers in the ceiling, not to mention an eyesore. I would buy (I suppose) a standing system at the right price but I'm in no hurry to drop a grand on an Atmos system.

Vilya · 03-26-2020, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SCLee

If we look at the world I would be surprised if more than 10% of people have a home theatre system, people who have access to a large screen TV. I expect most of them listen through their TV speakers and don't even have a soundbar. I would be happy to be proved wrong.

You have to realize that home theaters are kind of a first world luxury and 35.8% of the world's population are in China and India.

The average annual income in China is just $11,650 and in India it is $2,044; not exactly the kind of take home pay that lends to shopping for surround sound home theaters.

Vilya · 03-26-2020, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SCLee

I could never have a true Atmos system, as it would be ridiculously disruptive to put speakers in the ceiling, not to mention an eyesore. I would buy (I suppose) a standing system at the right price but I'm in no hurry to drop a grand on an Atmos system.

A grand won't even buy a great AVR, in my opinion, yet alone the necessary speakers.

SCLee · 03-26-2020, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Vilya

A grand won't even buy a great AVR, in my opinion, yet alone the necessary speakers.

Are you saying those Atmos systems priced at a grand with 5.1 or 7.1 speakers are a waste of time?

If that's the case I would never drop more than that anyway on a home theatre system. I could but I just wouldn't spend that kind of money. I would consider it abhorrent and sound just isn't that important to me. I used to own a 5.1 surround sound system, not Atmos, mind.

Vilya · 03-26-2020, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SCLee

And I do. But I also see a great picture with 4K streaming, but you bring up an excellent point, unless we all have the same equipment, it would never be a fair test.

Although, the UHD disc bitrate test will be fair. Waits for Vilya

About 2 hours of daylight here before I fire up Alita.

We need the same viewing environment and the same visual acuity, too, not just the same gear. That gear needs to have comparable settings as well.

gotmule · 03-26-2020, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SCLee

I'm not discrediting you. Anything I type is my opinion and should be taken that way. I'm only writing the truth and that is 99% of people don't care about this stuff or can't tell the difference. Of course there is a huge difference between SD and HD (that much is obvious) and there is a noticeable difference between HD and 4K, however streaming 4K and disc 4K on a 55 inch TV, not so much. Not to my eyes. But I still enjoy physical media because I grew up with it. If I hadn't and I was apart of the new generation I would likely stick to streaming as most of them do. But I could never justify watching something on a laptop or a phone. That's just weird

In addition to what Vilya already responded with, my wife, who has a college degree and has been very successful in career, will often have the tv on a non high def channel and not recognize that she chose the wrong option when the HD channel is one channel away. But yet you say of course there is a huge difference and it is obvious. Granted, it is an anecdote, but I would we willing to bet that she is not the only one who ends up watching a non HD at times and doesn’t recognize that fact.

That is pretty much the same when some of us question you saying that you couldn’t tell the difference between mono and surround sound as it obvious to us the difference.

Vilya · 03-26-2020, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SCLee

Are you saying those Atmos systems priced at a grand with 5.1 or 7.1 speakers are a waste of time?

If that's the case I would never drop more than that anyway on a home theatre system. I could but I just wouldn't spend that kind of money.

The key phrase was "in my opinion." I have more than a grand in just the wiring for my home theater. Like with everything, you get what you pay for. Spreading a $1000 across an AVR, and a 7.1.4 speaker array is extremely thin to my ears. Many Atmos systems use even more speakers than this.

SCLee · 03-26-2020, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by gotmule

In addition to what Vilya already responded with, my wife, who has a college degree and has been very successful in career, will often have the tv on a non high def channel and not recognize that she chose the wrong option when the HD channel is one channel away. But yet you say of course there is a huge difference and it is obvious. Granted, it is an anecdote, but I would we willing to bet that she is not the only one who ends up watching a non HD at times and doesn’t recognize that fact.

That is pretty much the same when some of us question you saying that you couldn’t tell the difference between mono and surround sound as it obvious to us the difference.

If you watch HD for any length of time and drop back to SD, it is noticeable. There is a huge difference.

I didn't say I couldn't tell the difference as I haven't done the tests. But I sued to own a surround sound system and now I own a soundbar and it still sounds fine to me. Would I own an Atmos system? Sure. Am I willing to drop a grand on one now? Hell no.

Vilya · 03-26-2020, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by SCLee

Sure, if you have access to Netflix, please choose something (if you have the time and you want to), explain where they are and I'll let you know if I can see them.

Banding, artifacts, poorer resolution, poor colours, haloing etc...

I already have my homework for tonight; don't overwork me.

Vilya · 03-26-2020, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SCLee

If you watch HD for any length of time and drop back to SD, it is noticeable. There is a huge difference.

I didn't say I couldn't tell the difference as I haven't done the tests. But I sued to own a surround sound system and now I own a soundbar and it still sounds fine to me. Would I own an Atmos system? Sure. Am I willing to drop a grand on one now? Hell no.

It sounds like you needed a better lawyer.

I couldn't resist.

SCLee · 03-26-2020, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Vilya

The key phrase was "in my opinion." I have more than a grand in just the wiring for my home theater. Like with everything, you get what you pay for. Spreading a $1000 across an AVR, and a 7.1.4 speaker array is extremely frugal in my ears. Many Atmos systems use even more speakers than this.

I'm beginning to understand you now. £1000 is a lot of money, imagine what else you could buy with £1000? 50 UHD films (at full price.) Clothes, bills, whatever. It's a lot of money. I would have to seriously think about it before I spent that much on a surround sound system. Picture has always been more important to me. Don't get me wrong, of course you need the sound! But I've always been a picture quality guy, rather than an audio enthusiast.

Mobe1969 · 03-26-2020, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SCLee

Are you saying those Atmos systems priced at a grand with 5.1 or 7.1 speakers are a waste of time?

If that's the case I would never drop more than that anyway on a home theatre system. I could but I just wouldn't spend that kind of money. I would consider it abhorrent and sound just isn't that important to me. I used to own a 5.1 surround sound system, not Atmos, mind.

I'd second on it regards $1k being a waste of time. You can't buy a new Atmos receiver/amp for $1k, of any quality. And I might be wrong, but I don't think I've even seen a cheap atmos in a box for $1k setup with actual 11 speakers, avr/amp, 1 subwoofer. I might be wrong there, but I'm not aware of any.