Sony "Mastered in 4K" Blu-ray Titles May 14 and July 16

[Sky_Captain]

Aye, there's a smidge of that too.

[Geoff D]

It does have the look of an older transfer that's been given a dab of this and a touch of that, but neither the noise reduction or sharpening is too egregious (IMO) and if it wasn't for the colour I'd be quite happy with it.

It's a prime candidate for one of these newfangled 4K transfers in any case.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Sky_Captain

Aye, there's a smidge of that too.

Hoping for 1 and 2 that would be cool as the other films released have had sequels in this line

[Geoff D]

Bad Boys II was finished in 2K, I don't quite know how Sony would get around that...

[RyanPom]

A 4k release of The Natural would be great.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Bad Boys II was finished in 2K, I don't quite know how Sony would get around that...

But how little cgi was used?

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Bad Boys II was finished in 2K, I don't quite know how Sony would get around that...

I'm quite sure Sony would want to, ya know, actually release BB2 on a normal BD release, before going directly to Mi4k.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

But how little cgi was used?

There's a bunch of it. Digital Ferrari says hi. They'd just upscale the VFX anyway, it's the live action that's the problem, unless they scanned it at 4K to begin with.

Originally Posted by rickah88

I'm quite sure Sony would want to, ya know, actually release BB2 on a normal BD release, before going directly to Mi4k.

This is true! If the mighty Charlie's Angels Full Throttle can get a Blu-ray release, then BBII can't be too far off.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

There's a bunch of it. Digital Ferrari says hi. They'd just upscale the VFX anyway, it's the live action that's the problem, unless they scanned it at 4K to begin with.
anyway

This is true! If the mighty Charlie's Angels Full Throttle can get a Blu-ray release, then BBII can't be too far off.

They can rescan from the ocn and recolour, they will need to for 4k anyway.
I know there is cgi but there is not a ton, Bay loves his practical work

[BDS23420]

so is it worth re-buying all these blu-rays?? do they look that much better? or is this just a scam from SONY to get you to re-buy more Blu-rays?

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by BDS23420

so is it worth re-buying all these blu-rays?? do they look that much better? or is this just a scam from SONY to get you to re-buy more Blu-rays?

For 90% of them if you value PQ then yes hands down

[BDS23420]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

For 90% of them if you value PQ then yes hands down

hmm ok then it might be looking into....i guess!

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

They can rescan from the ocn and recolour, they will need to for 4k anyway.
I know there is cgi but there is not a ton, Bay loves his practical work

They can't just pull an assembled "ocn" though, they'd have to locate the required takes and rescan them individually because there is no cut negative, then use the EDL to line them up as originally edited. It's not a huge hardship, granted, but it's an added level of expense vs simply scanning a conformed negative. Unless (until?) we get to the point where every man and his dog is crying out for 4K content, I think that 2K DI to 4K rebuilds will be something of a rarity.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

They can't just pull an assembled "ocn" though, they'd have to locate the required takes and rescan them individually because there is no cut negative, then use the EDL to line them up as originally edited. It's not a huge hardship, granted, but it's an added level of expense vs simply scanning a conformed negative. Unless (until?) we get to the point where every man and his dog is crying out for 4K content, I think that 2K DI to 4K rebuilds will be something of a rarity.

The more films they do it for the better their 4K media launch and more films to add to the streaming player.
This could be a reason why films like this are not on disc yet, it may not but at the end of day they will have to do this with everything with a 2K DI that elements that are above 2k.
Hell why not instead of upscaling the effects why not scan a 35mm IP and correct? a bit of a faff I grant you but the res will be there, well more so than an upscale.

[RyanPom]

Every studio could afford to upscale the film element effects of older movies, but most won't because they feel it's not worth it.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

The more films they do it for the better their 4K media launch and more films to add to the streaming player.
This could be a reason why films like this are not on disc yet, it may not but at the end of day they will have to do this with everything with a 2K DI that elements that are above 2k.
Hell why not instead of upscaling the effects why not scan a 35mm IP and correct? a bit of a faff I grant you but the res will be there, well more so than an upscale.

Why not? Because the IP will have been derived from the neg filmout which itself came from the 2K DI. You're locked in at 2K and will be losing quality already, and for the best upscaling results you need the best possible source to begin with. An old adage comes to mind: do you want it fast or do you want it good?

Better to upconvert the VFX straight from the digital source and do a new scan of the unedited camera negative for live action. Besides, upscaling is no longer a dirty word. I've had my 4K set for a few weeks and the upscaling is exemplary.

Still, some 2K DI shows will have extant 4K (or higher) scans of the unedited camera footage stored away, not forgetting the digital productions shot in 4K (or higher) to begin with. So maybe I'm being a bit too gloomy with my predictions of 2K-4K rebuilds after all...

[42041]

Originally Posted by RyanPom

Every studio could afford to upscale the film element effects of older movies, but most won't because they feel it's not worth it.

Do you mean re-rendering them? Often it's more than just cost... they no longer have the same software packages, all the compatibility's broken, all that crap.

[42041]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

Hell why not instead of upscaling the effects why not scan a 35mm IP and correct? a bit of a faff I grant you but the res will be there, well more so than an upscale.

What do you mean? A scan of a 35mm IP of a digital effect film-out would be far, far, worse quality than the original 2K data upscaled to 4K.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by 42041

What do you mean? A scan of a 35mm IP of a digital effect film-out would be far, far, worse quality than the original 2K data upscaled to 4K.

In what way?

[42041]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

In what way?

Well, you're adding at least 2 stages of generation loss right? The only way to go is down. You lose resolution/sharpness/possibly color fidelity in the film recorder, in the scanner, in optical printing if you scan an IP made from a recorded negative, while that same 2K data can be upsampled to 4K without losing anything in the digital domain.