Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Vilya

The police often allow mild speeding to go uncontested because of their limited resources; they instead focus on the more serious offenders, those that pose a higher safety risk to others. Catching the doing 90 mph is more important. Nonetheless, they will arrest you for stealing a candy bar just as readily as they will for anything more valuable.

simple reality if you are speeding the "victim" is the state and it can decide what cases are worth it, if you steal a candy bar the victim is the store and it can decide if it is worth it. Either way the law is clear (like in this case) speeding is illegal stealing is illegal.

The software company that I have been using has done nothing to hide or change their URL; my ancient webpage bookmark still leads me right there.

simple, companies like Kaleidescape pay for the ability for their clients to do so. The rest are set up in other countries where they now they won't/can't be prosecuted.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

no just people that know (and took the time) to read.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by vilya

:d

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

:d

It still would be available had it been backed up.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by stonesfan129

The law should be changed to allow circumvention of DRM for personal backups. DRM is arguably not even legal since it nullifies the legal concept of fair use. I can see going after people who are putting the stuff up on pirate sites. But copying for personal use should be entirely within the bounds of the law, especially if you paid for what you're copying.

You also can look at this via copyrighted software, which physical media is.

Commercial
COMMERCIAL software represents the majority of software purchased from software
publishers, commercial computer stores, etc. When you buy software, you are actually acquiring a license to use it, not own it. You acquire the license from the company that owns the copyright. The conditions and restrictions of the license agreement vary from program to program and should be read carefully. In general, commercial software licenses stipulate that

• the software is covered by copyright,
• although one archival copy of the software can be made, the backup copy cannot be used except when the original package fails or is destroyed,
• modifications to the software are not allowed,
  decompiling (i.e., reverse engineering) of the program code is not allowed without the permission of the copyright holder, and
  development of new works built upon the package (derivative works) is not allowed without the permission of the copyright holder.

Decripting copy protection to make copyrighted media backup is illegal. Also note it is not legal to play from backup files when your original is working. You still could have a archival of the archival to continue to have a backup if you original fails in this example.

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[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

It still would be available had it been backed up.

It’s digital, it’s been removed in case sensitive people may find it disturbing.

In a shocking coincidence, guess what has just been on ITV? That exact film, and I have just watched that end scene! If you don’t believe me, check the ITV schedule on google for today!

It’s got to be a sign Vilya! Don’t know what sign, but a sign none the less!

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

You also can look at this via copyrighted software, which physical media is.

Decripting copy protection to make copyrighted media backup is illegal. Also note it is not legal to play from backup files when your original is working. You still could have a archival of the archival to continue to have a backup if you original fails in this example.

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Have you had any luck convincing people to stop selling and buying digital codes from combo packs? Or getting this website to stop facilitating such transactions? Get crackin' Joe Friday! You have many wrongs to set right.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Have you had any luck convincing people to stop selling and buying digital codes from combo packs? Or getting this website to stop facilitating such transactions? Get crackin' Joe Friday! You have many wrongs to set right.

Chuck Berry - You Can't Catch Me (1956) - YouTube

[JohnAV]

The First-sale doctrine is applicable. In a online post concerning questioning eBay staff about selling only digital codes on their web site you got told that was a no no.

EBAY>You are not allowed to treat the code and the disc as two "copies" of the movie. Somewhere in the fine print it explains that. The purpose of the code is to give you a convenient alternative to "ripping" a movie. It is not permitted in the license to give the code to a buddy and keep the disc; you have to transfer all of your copies as a single unit, or destroy any extra copies you possess, any time you transfer your ownership of the film.

If you luck out with a disk with 2 digital codes consider that a act of god!

From wiki against First-sale doctrine.

The first-sale doctrine is a legal concept that plays an important role in United States copyright and trademark law by limiting certain rights of a copyright or trademark owner. The doctrine enables the distribution chain of copyrighted products, library lending, giving, video rentals and secondary markets for copyrighted works (for example, enabling individuals to sell their legally purchased books or CDs to others). In trademark law, this same doctrine enables reselling of trademarked products after the trademark holder put the products on the market. The doctrine is also referred to as the "right of first sale," "first sale rule," or "exhaustion rule."

So it implies if one sells part of something bought that a first sale doctrine license covers its a no no,

[Vilya]

Stop, you're scaring me.

[stonesfan129]

Look even though circumventing DRM is illegal I can't imagine too many people follow or care about such law.

[SCLee]

From one boring topic to another. Are you excited?

Panasonic told me to unplug the 300 and plug it back in again. They're geniuses

They told me to factory reset the 391 and if that doesn't work then the units need repairing. What an incredible company.

I told them that the bitrate issue is a well know problem with Panasonic UHD players and that they should fix it with a firmware update. They said they'd pass it on

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by SCLee

From one boring topic to another. Are you excited?

Panasonic told me to unplug the 300 and plug it back in again. They're geniuses

They told me to factory reset the 391 and if that doesn't work then the units need repairing. What an incredible company.

I told them that the bitrate issue is a well know problem with Panasonic UHD players and that they should fix it with a firmware update. They said they'd pass it on

How incredible are they? Now that the player is out there they won't change anything this late.

[cheez avenger]

Rambo: Last Blood (Extended Cut) is available on PRIME. Seems to be an exclusive.

[sapiendut]

The PQ on Prime (of any movie) is soooo garbage it’s barely HD. O guess it’s okay if you don’t use projector. I watched this last week and I had to stop watching and moved to my 55” X900F to make it acceptable

[SCLee]

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

Rambo: Last Blood (Extended Cut) is available on PRIME. Seems to be an exclusive.

I wouldn't watch it for free.

I suppose it technically is, but you know what I mean! I didn't like the last one.

[SCLee]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

The PQ on Prime (of any movie) is soooo garbage it’s barely HD. O guess it’s okay if you don’t use projector. I watched this last week and I had to stop watching and moved to my 55” X900F to make it acceptable

I only have a 55 inch OLED (which is plenty big enough IMO) and HD on Prime looks good enough. The TV upscales it to 4K.

Not that I have Prime atm, it was time to cull the amount of streaming services I'm subbed to. Amazon lost.

I spent the night with physical media (ohh er sir), I re-watched Stan and Ollie (brilliant film) and then the greatest sitcom, Frasier. And part of Wonder Woman (4K.)

[Vilya]

I wouldn't watch Rambo Last Blood unless I was well paid to do so. Of all the streaming services that I have used, Amazon has always been the most problematic; they are my LAST choice for streaming anything.

I watched a perennial Easter movie: The Greatest Story Ever Told on blu-ray; here's a movie that could use a new master and a new disc release.

After that I watched Remarkable Rabbits a new documentary that is part of the PBS Nature series. I watched it broadcast on TV in standard definition and sadly this will only be getting a DVD release next month. Why, in the year 2020, PBS releases so many of their nature documentaries on DVD only AND broadcasts them in low def. is both inexplicable and unforgivable. Who wants to watch a brand new nature documentary in f****** standard definition?

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

The PQ on Prime (of any movie) is soooo garbage it’s barely HD. O guess it’s okay if you don’t use projector. I watched this last week and I had to stop watching and moved to my 55” X900F to make it acceptable

Well with my setup I have no problem watching Amazon Prime, the PQ is not bad. Last night I watched a Movie on Prime, Last Flight Out the Movie was a little corny but the PQ was pretty good. Anything to do with Aviation I like, especially Jungle Pilots with short field landings. I like Rambo Movies, I'll have to watch that Last Blood.

[SCLee]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Well with my setup I have no problem watching Amazon Prime, the PQ is not bad. Last night I watched a Movie on Prime, Last Flight Out the Movie was a little corny but the PQ was pretty good. Anything to do with Aviation I like, especially Jungle Pilots with short field landings. I like Rambo Movies, I'll have to watch that Last Blood.

I have to admire your persistence

I like the first Rambo, the others, not so much.