Zack Snyder's 'Man of Steel'

[Moviefan2k4]

Originally Posted by Brandon

You're probably right.

Thanks for your support; I appreciate it.

[Idioteque...]

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

"Just because something is socially acceptable, that doesn't make it right."

You make a great point there too. I for one am not a supporter of pre-marital sex but I mean in Clark's terms, he's sort of essentially soul mates with Lois.

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

In terms of the "Returns" continuity, there's no reason to assume he did since Lana's not even mentioned in the film, nor is any reference to her at all.

I respectfully disagree. I believe many still care a great deal, but unfortunately that kind of thing isn't reported by the mass media.

Are you suggesting he lost his virginity to Lois LOL?

[Moviefan2k4]

Originally Posted by Idioteque...

You make a great point there too. I for one am not a supporter of pre-marital sex but I mean in Clark's terms, he's sort of essentially soul mates with Lois.

Well, my concern isn't just that aspect of it, but the whole deal's effect on the Superman legend. Traditionally, Superman's supposed to be the one who makes all the tough calls, even the choices we'd rather not make ourselves. Otherwise, he'd be no better of an example to humanity than anyone else. It's often been said that Supes' example is what sets him apart from the pack, not his abilities. If that's true, then I'd really like to see a morally--responsible Superman on the silver screen again.

Are you suggesting he lost his virginity to Lois LOL?

Hopefully so, although they should've been married, given my above statement about Superman's moral responsibility as a character.

[Idioteque...]

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

Well, my concern isn't just that aspect of it, but the whole deal's effect on the Superman legend. Traditionally, Superman's supposed to be the one who makes all the tough calls, even the choices we'd rather not make ourselves. Otherwise, he'd be no better of an example to humanity than anyone else. It's often been said that Supes' example is what sets him apart from the pack, not his abilities. If that's true, then I'd really like to see a morally--responsible Superman on the silver screen again.



Hopefully so, although they should've been married, given my above statement about Superman's moral responsibility as a character.

I mean you make sense and but I wouldn't say Superman is morally wrong though, for them sex was a profession of love for one another and it's not like that kiddyish love where you immediately find your soul mate crap, it's something that's been between them two for a while.

[Moviefan2k4]

Well, in my opinion we've sadly become a very "politically-correct" society, especially in the USA...and Superman should serve as the antithesis of that. He should exemlify everything we'd always strive to be, no matter the area of life...and IMHO, this is one of the more important aspects of his character.

[jadedeath]

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

Well, in my opinion we've sadly become a very "politically-correct" society, especially in the USA...and Superman should serve as the antithesis of that. He should exemlify everything we'd always strive to be, no matter the area of life...and IMHO, this is one of the more important aspects of his character.

I would say that Superman should be the most politically correct person on the planet, not the opposite of that.

Logan

[Idioteque...]

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

Well, in my opinion we've sadly become a very "politically-correct" society, especially in the USA...and Superman should serve as the antithesis of that. He should exemlify everything we'd always strive to be, no matter the area of life...and IMHO, this is one of the more important aspects of his character.

Well I always considered the character of Superman always torn apart between doing the right and wrong thing but keep in mind I'm more in tune with the modern age of Superman. You might have grown up during a different age. I loved the Superman TAS rendition of Superman.

[Q?]

Originally Posted by jadedeath

I would say that Superman should be the most politically correct person on the planet, not the opposite of that.

Logan

That was my thought as well

[Clark Kent]

The idea is that Superman holds himself to a higher moral standard than the rest of society. Until the first Superman movie came around, the character clearly followed the norms of the culture in the comics and popular media, where upstanding people were expected to abstain from sex until marriage.

Superman fathering a baby out-of-wedlock in Superman Returns, and then abandoning Lois to let her raise the child alone, was the fatal plot development that undermined the whole movie.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Idioteque...

We'd like a reboot faithful to Superman. Not Superman Returns. I think the Superman fans are more important here.

Who's "we"? I'm a Superman fan and enjoyed Returns, which was faithful to Superman - The Movie and II.

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

Superman fathering a baby out-of-wedlock in Superman Returns, and then abandoning Lois to let her raise the child alone, was the fatal plot development that undermined the whole movie.

This silly argument about "out of wedlock"...Clark was unaware Lois was pregnant when he left for Krypton and initially assumed Richard White was the father (so did Lois apparently). Somebody wasn't really paying attention to the film.

[GreenScar]

Guys it's fine to discuss Superman's moral in context of his character but let's keep things clean and avoid graphic particulars. I had to get rid of a few posts. Please be careful.

[jadedeath]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Who's "we"? I'm a Superman fan and enjoyed Returns, which was faithful to Superman - The Movie and II.

It really wasn't.

Why would someone as moral as Superman abandon earth without getting dragged away from it kicking and screaming? {like by Darkseid or something} just to see for himself that his planet was destroyed? That doesn't make much sense at all.

Logan

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by jadedeath

It really wasn't.

Why would someone as moral as Superman abandon earth without getting dragged away from it kicking and screaming? {like by Darkseid or something} just to see for himself that his planet was destroyed? That doesn't make much sense at all.

He had the hope it was still there, that he wasn't alone in the universe. I'd understand anyone who would leave when they had a chance to find their family or people.

It's also implied since he couldn't be with Lois properly (as shown at the end of both versions of Superman II) he waqs hurting when he left. We don't all make rational decisions when we are "emotionally compromised" (and he was surprised so much time had passed).

[Teabaggins]

Originally Posted by Idioteque...

You make a great point there too. I for one am not a supporter of pre-marital sex...

dude, you gotta test drive the car....

[Porkchop Express]

Originally Posted by Teabaggins

dude, you gotta test drive the car....

Unfortuantely cars depreciate quickly. I was not a fan of the story regarding his kid in Superman Returns. It's always sad when a reboot gets another reboot.

[Clark Kent]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

This silly argument about "out of wedlock"...Clark was unaware Lois was pregnant when he left for Krypton and initially assumed Richard White was the father (so did Lois apparently). Somebody wasn't really paying attention to the film.

With all of the immense powers Superman showed in Returns (listening to the entire planet at once from space for example), do you really believe he did not know Lois was pregnant? Remember he has x-ray and microscopic vision, so he would know at the moment of conception if he wanted. The only other explanation is that as soon as they had sex and could not be together, he fell apart and immediately left the Earth. That does not paint a pretty emotional picture of the man if that is true, and was a completely different characterization than any other previous take on his actions.

[Moviefan2k4]

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

The idea is that Superman holds himself to a higher moral standard than the rest of society.

Exactly, and that's what he needs to be brought back to. "Smallville" almost got it right, but then they had him "shack up" with Lana in Season 5. They also turned him into a compulsive liar in some episodes, which is why my overall rating for the show has dropped in recent years...and don't even get me started about that sickening "Instinct" episode from last year...ugh...

Until the first Superman movie came around, the character clearly followed the norms of the culture in the comics and popular media, where upstanding people were expected to abstain from sex until marriage.

Precisely, and even though its become more "socially acceptable" today, that doesn't mean that Superman should embrace it, too. As i said before, he's supposed to make the toughest calls, even ones we'd honestly rather not make ourselves...this one included.

Superman fathering a baby out-of-wedlock in Superman Returns, and then abandoning Lois to let her raise the child alone, was the fatal plot development that undermined the whole movie.

Agreed; it made him kinda creepy, now that i think of it. Hovering around Lois' window, while she's talking to Richard? C'mon, how is that anywhere near noble or heroic?

With all of the immense powers Superman showed in Returns (listening to the entire planet at once from space for example), do you really believe he did not know Lois was pregnant? Remember he has x-ray and microscopic vision, so he would know at the moment of conception if he wanted.

Well, don't forget that it was Jimmy who "spilled the beans", and Clark was so surprised he cracked the photo frame at her desk.

The only other explanation is that as soon as they had sex and could not be together, he fell apart and immediately left the Earth. That does not paint a pretty emotional picture of the man if that is true, and was a completely different characterization than any other previous take on his actions.

Once again, agreed. As a symbol of absolute truth, purity, and justice, Superman should not conform to the ideals of a politically-correct society...period.

[GreenScar]

Found this interesting;

It’s the eighth day of production as Christian Bale pulls on the spandex. His character is a beacon of liberty and justice, striking out at evildoers and keeping the streets safe from super villains. But his nickname isn’t the Dark Knight…it’s the Man of Steel.

In 2003, before Bryan Singer’s “Superman Returns” and Christopher Nolan’s “Batman Begins,” director Wolfgang Petersen was set to direct “Batman vs. Superman,” a big-budget outing that set two of DC Comics’ biggest superheroes against each other. Now for the first time, MTV News can reveal that one of those on the shortlist for Krypton’s favorite son was none other than Christian Bale.

In an exclusive interview, Petersen – director of such blockbuster fare as “Air Force One,” “Outbreak,” “The Perfect Storm” and “The Neverending Story” – told us that Bale was among the two actors he met with for the role of Superman, with Josh Harnett being the second candidate. And according to the helmer, the film nearly happened.

“It was pretty close,” said Petersen. “And then the studio got a single Superman script I think from J.J. Abrams at that time, and [Warner Bros. chief] Alan Horn was so torn – because it’s such a fascinating concept to do a Batman versus Superman film. And I still think it would be to do that. But the studio decided to try separate version of Superman and Batman, and then maybe think about down the road if you want to bring them together in one film.”

The Abrams project wound up being attached to director Brett Ratner, and the project moved far enough along to audition actors. Brendan Fraser told MTV News that he was among those who suited up in the iconic costume for a screen test. But like Petersen’s iteration, the Ratner/Abrams effort collapsed, and Warner Bros. joined with Bryan Singer for his Brandon Routh-led movie.

For Petersen, the loss of the Superman project was tempered by the studio giving him the green light on another film in development: his big-budget Greek mythology epic starring Brad Pitt and Orlando Bloom.

“On the other hand they had ‘Troy,’" he explained. "And right away [the studio said] it’s not ['Batman vs. Superman'], but how about ‘Troy’? So it was not so terrible for me because I loved the ‘Troy’ project. (Ed. Note: If you haven’t seen the director’s cut of “Troy,” do yourself a favor and check it out.)

As for Batman, we all know what happened with Gotham's Caped Crusader. And for Petersen, there’s only good will towards Christopher Nolan. In fact, he’s as big a fan as anyone. “I loved ‘Dark Knight,’” he exclaimed. “I was completely sucked into it, blown away by it. I thought right away it deserved an Academy Award for Best Picture, and I was really disappointed that it didn’t get it. I thought Heath Ledger was just phenomenal. I am a big fan of that movie.”

[CZAR]

I dont know if this was posted already. If so then my bad:

The Man of Steel
On February 24, 2010, it was announced that David S. Goyer is writing the script for a Superman film called The Man of Steel. The approach for the movie has been described as "modern…believable…fun!" and the film will not involve Brandon Routh, Nicolas Cage, Mark Millar, or Bryan Singer. The only information about the story so far is this: “I can tell you that Goyer’s story involves Luthor and Brainiac. It is NOT an origin and assumes audiences already know about Lois, Clark, Jimmy and Perry. I know the Daily Planet is struggling due to the internet. And I know it sets up a huge Kryptonian mythology.

In addition, it has been reported that Warner Bros. has now placed Christopher Nolan as the "godfather" of the Superman movie franchise. Deadline.com reported that due to his success with the revival of the Batman film franchise he was placed in charge of the project, however, Nolan is unlikely to direct himself. Sources also state that Goyer will be writing the film with The Dark Knight co-writer Jonathan Nolan.

On March 10, 2010, Christopher Nolan himself confirmed that he and Goyer have been working on an idea for a Superman film. Nolan says, "He basically told me, 'I have this thought about how you would approach Superman.' I immediately got it, loved it and thought: That is a way of approaching the story I’ve never seen before that makes it incredibly exciting. I wanted to get Emma [Thomas] and I involved in shepherding the project right away and getting it to the studio and getting it going in an exciting way… A lot of people have approached Superman in a lot of different ways. I only know the way that has worked for us that’s what I know how to do.

I know we already knew about Nolan overseeing things and all the stuff about Goyar but I wasnt sure if we knew that Routh was actually ruled out! That sucks cause I didnt know. Oh well they better choose the right person to play Superman!!!!! Got Em!!

[Q?]

Originally Posted by CZAR

I dont know if this was posted already. If so then my bad:




I know we already knew about Nolan overseeing things and all the stuff about Goyar but I wasnt sure if we knew that Routh was actually ruled out! That sucks cause I didnt know. Oh well they better choose the right person to play Superman!!!!! Got Em!!

CZAR, it's old news

Personally I like that it's a completely new take, I didn't like Routh personally.