Eternals 4K UHD (2021)

[Farerb]

Dune only made $4.2 million less than Eternals, but it was also released on HBO Max at the same time, while Eternals wasn't released on Disney+. Dune actually did more than Eternals outside North America, probably because other territories didn't have HBO Max. Dune also had better reception and will probably be nominated in many categories at the Academy Awards, including Best Picture. Eternals will be lucky to be nominated for Visual Effects.

In addition, we're talking about different studios - what one studio does doesn't mean anything about what another will do. Just to be clear, like I said before, I do think Eternals will receive a sequel, but they will be revamped like Thor did due to the bad reception.

[BluBonnet]

Yeah, it's not a perfect comparison, admittedly, since Dune is also just the first installment of a new franchise that may have 2 or more movies and Eternals is part of a franchise with 27 movies that, a year from now, will have grown to 30 movies - also Disney+ is way bigger already than HBOMax. And the Marvel movies and series are a huge part of what makes D+ more attractive.

[mpls1981]

Originally Posted by Zorkel567

I don't think that's really true. Gemma Chan's recent interview seems to indicate otherwise.



https://www.wmagazine.com/culture/ge...rvel-interview

I don't think they're necessarily going for the nine-film contracts, but they're likely locking down the stars of new franchises for a few films anyways.

Gemma could just be promoting the movie as most actors do with promises of the sequel coming.

Here's Feige's quote: “That got a lot of attention way back when, with I think Scarlett, and [Chris] Hemsworth and Evans and Sam Jackson. It varies now. It varies, project to project, cast to cast,” said Feige. “Really, what we want are people that come in, are excited to be in the universe, are excited at the opportunity to do more things, as opposed to being locked into contractual obligations.”

So perhaps a mix of both.

[spider-neil]

Originally Posted by Farerb

but they will be revamped like Thor did due to the bad reception.

Marvel should double down on the themes of Eternals rather than double down on the action for the sequel. If they double down on the action then there was no point hiring an indie director.

And it's funny you should mention Thor. I'm one of the few people that wasn't wowed by Ragnarok. IMHO Thor should be about drama rather than comedy. The drama in Thor: TDW didn't work, no argument there, so instead of fixing the drama in a sequel they threw the drama away in favour of comedy.

[mpls1981]

Originally Posted by BluBonnet

Yeah, it's not a perfect comparison, admittedly, since Dune is also just the first installment of a new franchise that may have 2 or more movies and Eternals is part of a franchise with 27 movies that, a year from now, will have grown to 30 movies - also Disney+ is way bigger already than HBOMax. And the Marvel movies and series are a huge part of what makes D+ more attractive.

Let's not forget that D+ is Disney, Marvel, Star Wars, Pixar and everything Fox. No other studio can come close to competing with that. Personally, I think they need to be broken apart, but that's unrelated.

Dune was also critically praised and loved by audiences and I think that plays a more important role when deciding the fate of a sequel to a movie that wasn't a huge box office hit. But with the MCU, it also will come down to the plan Disney has for Phase 4 and beyond. If the Eternals are essential to it, then I'd say it's more likely that they get a sequel, but if not, I'd still say the threads can be picked up by other movies.

[mpls1981]

Originally Posted by spider-neil

Marvel should double down on the themes of Eternals rather than double down on the action for the sequel. If they double down on the action then there was no point hiring an indie director.

And it's funny you should mention Thor. I'm one of the few people that wasn't wowed by Ragnarok. IMHO Thor should be about drama rather than comedy. The drama in Thor: TDW didn't work, no argument there, so instead of fixing the drama in a sequel they threw the drama away in favour of comedy.

The directors are being hired for the non-action portions of the movies if we're being honest. Lucrecia Martel and Xavier Gens both spoke about how they met with Marvel and were told not to worry about the action scenes, those would be taken care of. This video talks about the Marvel process:

How Marvel Actually Makes Movies Years Before Filming | Movies Insider - YouTube

It's interesting to watch and helps explain why so many Marvel movies end with the big CGI battles. The work is starting years before the actual production; which probably explains why Shang-Chi went from amazing choreographed fight scenes to CGI monster battle at the end.

[Law212]

Originally Posted by spider-neil

Marvel should double down on the themes of Eternals rather than double down on the action for the sequel. If they double down on the action then there was no point hiring an indie director.

And it's funny you should mention Thor. I'm one of the few people that wasn't wowed by Ragnarok. IMHO Thor should be about drama rather than comedy. The drama in Thor: TDW didn't work, no argument there, so instead of fixing the drama in a sequel they threw the drama away in favour of comedy.

I really liked both Thor and Thor the dark world. Hated Ragnarok because it was too goofy.

Thor shouldnt come off as a dumb oaf but he does in Ragnarok.

[lgans316]

Originally Posted by BluBonnet

I'll be honest here - I wasn't 100% happy with the dark scenes in some of the theaters that showed it, especially with the 3D versions. It looked better in Dolby and IMAX, naturally.

But I've long had my TV set up so that this kind of thing doesn't bother me at home - I have a pretty specific notion of how darker scenes should look and I've adjusted my monitor accordingly.

Even bright scenes looks darker in my local Vue Cinema. Spiderman NWH was painful to watch. Sound was awful too. Only certain Cinema chains invest in upgrading their AV gears. Adding insult to injury, most of the times, the exit door is kept open because someone is constantly visiting the loo.

I am yet to watch beyond 20 minutes as don't have the mood for it but I did watch many other movies in my watch list over the weekend.

The APL looks a touch dark here. Otherwise, it looks fine on my big OLED.

If you don't like the D+ stream then don't worry fellas, the HDR10 disc will look like a light cannon and will obliterate the D+ DV stream.

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by mpls1981

If the Eternals are essential to it, then I'd say it's more likely that they get a sequel, but if not, I'd still say the threads can be picked up by other movies.

Every time I hear a comment like this, it makes me feel like the person saying it thinks things haven't gone as planned for Marvel. I think they actually have, which is why nothing of what was already planned before 2021 is likely to be significantly altered. They've already got like 5 years' worth of movies and shows planned. I don't see any major changes to the plans, just minor tinkering in the small details.

[mpls1981]

Originally Posted by BluBonnet

Every time I hear a comment like this, it makes me feel like the person saying it thinks things haven't gone as planned for Marvel. I think they actually have, which is why nothing of what was already planned before 2021 is likely to be significantly altered. They've already got like 5 years' worth of movies and shows planned. I don't see any major changes to the plans, just minor tinkering in the small details.

Plans do change and they've even admitted that they've done so in the past, so it's completely possible to do so in the future.

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by mpls1981

Plans do change and they've even admitted that they've done so in the past, so it's completely possible to do so in the future.

In some small ways? Sure. But not in anything having to do with the big picture, I believe.

I mean, for example, they had to do some reshooting for the upcoming Dr. Strange movie, because originally that one would have been released before SMNWH. So now, a few details have been changed around. Ned Leeds got to be the one

[Show spoiler] to "summon" the older Spider-Men, instead of a character from the new Dr. Strange

. Little things like that, yeah, I can see some of that changing. But the overall structure? No, I don't think there's going to be enormous changes.

[mpls1981]

Originally Posted by BluBonnet

In some small ways? Sure. But not in anything having to do with the big picture, I believe.

I mean, for example, they had to do some reshooting for the upcoming Dr. Strange movie, because originally that one would have been released before SMNWH. So now, a few details have been changed around. Ned Leeds got to be the one

[Show spoiler] to "summon" the older Spider-Men, instead of a character from the new Dr. Strange

. Little things like that, yeah, I can see some of that changing. But the overall structure? No, I don't think there's going to be enormous changes.

The Incredible Hulk sequels were planned and scraped. Inhumans was announced as a movie, before being delayed and then made into a television show and then canceled after a season. Agents of Shield and Agent Charter have basically been ignored by all of the MCU movies and D+ shows. And Chad Boseman's death has forced changes for the future of Black Panther with Disney stating his character won't be recast.

Ultimately all this talk of the sequel is nothing more than conjecture that there is a planned sequel already. The Eternals can return without it being Eternals 2.

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by mpls1981

Ultimately all this talk of the sequel is nothing more than conjecture that there is a planned sequel already. The Eternals can return without it being Eternals 2.

Dude, that's exactly what I've been saying all along

[spider-neil]

Originally Posted by mpls1981

The directors are being hired for the non-action portions of the movies if we're being honest. Lucrecia Martel and Xavier Gens both spoke about how they met with Marvel and were told not to worry about the action scenes, those would be taken care of. This video talks about the Marvel process:

How Marvel Actually Makes Movies Years Before Filming | Movies Insider - YouTube

It's interesting to watch and helps explain why so many Marvel movies end with the big CGI battles. The work is starting years before the actual production; which probably explains why Shang-Chi went from amazing choreographed fight scenes to CGI monster battle at the end.

Action and themes should go hand in hand. Handing action over to a 'action department' is stupid. The director should 'direct' the movie. ALL of the movie.
Also, having one department that handles all the action of the Marvel movies ensures all the action will be exactly the same and I that's a bad thing.

[spider-neil]

Originally Posted by Law212

I really liked both Thor and Thor the dark world. Hated Ragnarok because it was too goofy.

Thor shouldnt come off as a dumb oaf but he does in Ragnarok.

Joking literally during the destruction was unforgivable. I laughed but the scene would have landed harder if they played it straight.

[dealer6871]

Yes, did stay through the ending credits. Only thing I have to say is "Must be adopted. know anyway to glue a head back on?"

Originally Posted by BluBonnet

You obviously didn't watch it all the way to the end

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by spider-neil

Also, having one department that handles all the action of the Marvel movies ensures all the action will be exactly the same and I that's a bad thing.

I felt the action in all 4 Marvel movies from last year was distinctly different

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by spider-neil

Action and themes should go hand in hand. Handing action over to a 'action department' is stupid. The director should 'direct' the movie. ALL of the movie.
Also, having one department that handles all the action of the Marvel movies ensures all the action will be exactly the same and I that's a bad thing.

Tell it to $25 billion.

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

Tell it to $25 billion.

And a year from now it might be closer to $30 billion

[Farerb]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

Tell it to $25 billion.

Quality in film is not judged by box-office figures.