My Bloody Valentine 4K UHD (1981) (Collector's Edition) (Scream Factory)

[Comicfan]

Originally Posted by BillyBrown66

https://shoutfactory.com/collections...-prism-sticker

It's uncut.

Very happy this is a three disk set since I'm actually getting it for the Blu Rays.With the two Blu Ray disks,I get both cuts and all the special features.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by JohnCarpenterFan

Who is "only watching this film for those 30 seconds of gore"?

I doubt anybody is going out of their way to watch this film just to see 30 seconds of gore. The edits on the theatrical cut are very jarring at times and I thought this even before seeing what was missing from it. Plus it's not just gore that was missing, reaction shots and the like were also removed which again makes for jarring cuts.

I find the downplaying of the unrated footage strange. First by saying that the footage is rough and will look rougher in 4K when almost all of said footage is now of the same quality of the rest of the film. Then downplaying it as "30 seconds of gore" when the unrated footage adds minutes onto the film and is not solely gore, but if we were to calculate the amount of added gore then it would probably be significantly more than a mere 30 seconds.

Considering we already have a very good presentation of the unrated cut then a UHD of the theatrical cut only would be worthless to some and I don't see that as hyperbole just like the UHD of Lifeforce was worthless to some as there's already a very nice-looking remaster of the Director's Cut in 1080p.

What I do find ridiculous is saying that the added footage is "rough" when it appears to be taken from the OCN and is the same quality as the rest of the film (with the exception of less than a mere 10 seconds of footage) and playing down the footage as just being "30 seconds of gore" which clearly isn't true. Plus, I don't understand why someone is getting so defensive over this when they've stated that they won't be buying the release regardless of which cuts are/aren't included in 4K.

I figured since this is a public forum and I'm a member in here I could discuss my take on the discussion.

And if I didn't have to worry about going through 4 exchanges to get a set of unscratched discs, I would be buying it.

Also, I didn't say this film's footage is particularly rough. I used Silent Night Deadly Night as an example because that footage is particularly bad, and why sometimes the footage takes me out of the film. In cases like that, yes, personally that can take me out of a film, and when showing the film to somebody who hasn't seen it before, makes it look particularly jarring as a presentation.

In this case the footage looks much better, but it's still very obvious to my eyes on Shout's previous blu-ray what scenes were put back in, regardless of their additional color correction.

People in here seem to think they are the only ones interested in buying this on 4k. A few loud voices in a forum does not mean the entirety of their customer base cares. This forum represents a tiny percentage of those who will ultimately be buying this. Many just don't care about those extra however-many-seconds it adds up to.

If they can deliver the uncut version with what I consider mostly seamless quality, then fantastic. All I said was if the footage is going to stand out like a sore thumb, then I would prefer to watch the theatrical personally. It's called an opinion.

[mar3o]

I'm also of the mind that all theatrical versions should be preserved. This is literally what everyone saw back then in the theatres. I see nothing wrong with wanting both versions preserved. I don't get all the theatrical version hate. I don't need to see 10 more seconds of gore to enjoy this film. If it's there and blends in, then I'm all for it, absolutely. But either way I'd still like the theatrical to be present as well.

In other words, I'm all for theatrical and uncut versions on disc. My preference to view is uncut, unless the footage is jarring. But both versions should be present.

[Trekkie313]

The theatrical cut was not the intended cut of the the filmmakers, a lot horror movies were butchered by the MPAA. The version shown to 80s audiences is still available in many other formats and even back then fans would've known about the cut gore due to magazines like Fangoria.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Cinema84

Now that it's been established that the uncut version is, in fact, what we'll be getting, the complaints will now resume back to scratches. Funny how it's always the same 3 or 4 people complaining about those here.

Yeah, you're right. I must be making it up or scratching them myself.

And I've seen hundreds of posts over the last few years by various members about scratching. I can't help it if most in here are too incompetent to know how to flip their discs over and see obvious scratches, and claim they've never had a scratched disc.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Trekkie313

The theatrical cut was not the intended cut of the the filmmakers, a lot horror movies were butchered by the MPAA. The version shown to 80s audiences is still available in many other formats and even back then fans would've known about the cut gore due to magazines like Fangoria.

So where do you draw the line? The theatrical cut of Lifeforce is not the intended, original film. Yet that's what the studios decided to do with it for the US release, and it's a legitimate version of the film, and also contains some unique differences in music. So both are worth owning imo.

[Trekkie313]

The actual complaint against the endless posts about scratching is that it's now on unrelated threads and spreading preemptive hysteria about how a title is doomed cause of it being a Shout! release.

[dallywhitty]

My Bloody Valentine.

[Trekkie313]

Originally Posted by mar3o

So where do you draw the line? The theatrical cut of Lifeforce is not the intended, original film. Yet that's what the studios decided to do with it for the US release, and it's a legitimate version of the film, and also contains some unique differences in music. So both are worth owning imo.

I didn't even know Lifeforce got a release till May, it sucks the inferior cut is in 4K...but it still has the best version of the International Cut in HD for now. Certainly Arrow will take a stab at one-upping Scream again.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Trekkie313

I didn't even know Lifeforce got a release till May, it sucks the inferior cut is in 4K...but it still has the best version of the International Cut in HD for now. Certainly Arrow will take a stab at one-upping Scream again.

The right way to have done Lifeforce was 1 UHD of the theatrical, from the negative, which they did, and 1 UHD of the international version, from a 4k scan of the IP, which would have given us an upgrade of the international version on 4k while still providing a consistent viewing experience throughout the film.

[THF90]

Originally Posted by mar3o

Yeah, you're right. I must be making it up or scratching them myself.

And I've seen hundreds of posts over the last few years by various members about scratching. I can't help it if most in here are too incompetent to know how to flip their discs over and see obvious scratches, and claim they've never had a scratched disc.

Sorry, but I know what a scratch is and not every person who buys Shout disks gets scratched ones.

I’ve had ONE. I’m sorry if you have had multiple.

[Jay H.]

Originally Posted by dallywhitty

My Bloody Valentine.

Great band!

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by THF90

Sorry, but I know what a scratch is and not every person who buys Shout disks gets scratched ones.

I’ve had ONE. I’m sorry if you have had multiple.

I just had to replace Creepshow due to a large deep circular scratch on the UHD.

I opened my Criterion of Baron Munchausen and all 3 discs had scratches, 2 with deep circular scratches.

It's common for me to find my Shout discs with a half-dozen long scratches like a cat dragged it's paw across it.

All made in Mexico.

My Arrow discs, whose discs come from Germany, are rarely scratched.

But it must just be me.

[bergman864]

Originally Posted by mar3o

I'm also of the mind that all theatrical versions should be preserved. This is literally what everyone saw back then in the theatres. I see nothing wrong with wanting both versions preserved. I don't get all the theatrical version hate. I don't need to see 10 more seconds of gore to enjoy this film. If it's there and blends in, then I'm all for it, absolutely. But either way I'd still like the theatrical to be present as well.

In other words, I'm all for theatrical and uncut versions on disc. My preference to view is uncut, unless the footage is jarring. But both versions should be present.

The theatrical cut IS preserved. It's just not a 4K disc. None of what you said here makes sense. It's not like the theatrical cut isn't available, it's still there. It's been available for years at this point. It not being in 4K doesn't change its availability.

[THF90]

Originally Posted by mar3o

I just had to replace Creepshow due to a large deep circular scratch on the UHD.

I opened my Criterion of Baron Munchausen and all 3 discs had scratches, 2 with deep circular scratches.

It's common for me to find my Shout discs with a half-dozen long scratches like a cat dragged it's paw across it.

All made in Mexico.

My Arrow discs, whose discs come from Germany, are rarely scratched.

But it must just be me.

It’s clearly not just you as many here have the same problem.

Maybe it’s a regional thing? I have no idea why I have been so lucky, but I don’t blame those who have to keep dealing with these scratched disk issues.

For the premium price we pay for these Shout disks, they should be scratch free.

[SpiderNerd09]

The Ballad of Harry Warden is such a great tune.

[JohnCarpenterFan]

Originally Posted by mar3o

I figured since this is a public forum and I'm a member in here I could discuss my take on the discussion.

And if I didn't have to worry about going through 4 exchanges to get a set of unscratched discs, I would be buying it.

Also, I didn't say this film's footage is particularly rough. I used Silent Night Deadly Night as an example because that footage is particularly bad, and why sometimes the footage takes me out of the film. In cases like that, yes, personally that can take me out of a film, and when showing the film to somebody who hasn't seen it before, makes it look particularly jarring as a presentation.

In this case the footage looks much better, but it's still very obvious to my eyes on Shout's previous blu-ray what scenes were put back in, regardless of their additional color correction.

People in here seem to think they are the only ones interested in buying this on 4k. A few loud voices in a forum does not mean the entirety of their customer base cares. This forum represents a tiny percentage of those who will ultimately be buying this. Many just don't care about those extra however-many-seconds it adds up to.

If they can deliver the uncut version with what I consider mostly seamless quality, then fantastic. All I said was if the footage is going to stand out like a sore thumb, then I would prefer to watch the theatrical personally. It's called an opinion.

You stated: "This film has better-quality cut scenes, but it's still rough and will look rougher when in a 4k presentation. Some just want the most complete version, as was originally intended, and I get that. I would also love the unrated cut, with all the footage intact. Sadly the MPAA has resulted in thousands of films being neutered over the decades, so this is where we end up."

The unrated SF footage was from the original negative. There's no sign that they had to reinsert these scenes back into the film and do additional color correction in order to make those scenes fit better compared to the rest of the footage. I don't see how you could state that it's "very obvious". I question whether you've actually seen the SF Blu-ray or if you're just thinking of the Lionsgate Blu-ray.

I'm also unsure why Silent Night, Deadly Night is being brought up because as you said the added footage in that is much worse than the added footage in My Bloody Valentine, which isn't problematic at all aside from the less than 10 seconds that are obviously sourced from a print of some sort and even those 10ish seconds look much, much better than the added footage in Silent Night, Deadly Night.

Originally Posted by mar3o

I'm also of the mind that all theatrical versions should be preserved. This is literally what everyone saw back then in the theatres. I see nothing wrong with wanting both versions preserved. I don't get all the theatrical version hate. I don't need to see 10 more seconds of gore to enjoy this film. If it's there and blends in, then I'm all for it, absolutely. But either way I'd still like the theatrical to be present as well.

In other words, I'm all for theatrical and uncut versions on disc. My preference to view is uncut, unless the footage is jarring. But both versions should be present.

Putting something out on home video in the highest quality isn't real "preservation" at all and it goes beyond what anybody ever saw in theaters quality-wise so what is being preserved? The theatrical cut already exists in a high quality presentation from the original negative which is a much better source than the prints people saw theatrically which were generations removed from the negative. Plus, some of the footage in the unrated version was shown theatrically in territories that allowed it so the censored US R-rated version is not what everybody originally saw theatrically.

[rocknblues81]

Originally Posted by dallywhitty

My Bloody Valentine.

Never heard of it.

[ronnie21]

can you all imagine if this was released in theaters in 81 with no cuts!! it would be everyones favorite horror movie ever!!!!!!!!!!!

[JohnCarpenterFan]

Anyway, the unrated version is the one getting the UHD treatment and the added footage should look seamless as it is from the original negative and despite some downplaying the added footage as just a number of seconds, it's actually 2-3 minutes of material and only 10 seconds of that footage look to be from a lower-quality element although as I said it could easily be blended in better with additional color correction. This is more representative of the version that should have been shown theatrically if not for censors and it seems to be the director's preferred cut. If only one cut had to be presented on UHD then this was the cut. SF made the right choice here 100%.