Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

Plus, not everything that comes out of Vincent’s mouth can be considered as gospel.

The gospel according to

[SCLee]

Originally Posted by Vilya

You are misrepresenting what Vincent said.

Actually I'm not, he said there was a minor difference, while next to the screen but he could see 'no difference' from normal viewing distance. The distance that most people sit at in a living room. That's the truth Vilya, you can't twist it, you can say he's wrong but that's what he said and I agree with him

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by SCLee

Actually I'm not, he said there was a minor difference, while next to the screen but he could see 'no difference' from normal viewing distance. The distance that most people sit at in a living room. That's the truth Vilya, you can't twist it, you can say he's wrong but that's what he said and I agree with him

I won’t have a bad word said about Vincent.

Who is he again?

[SCLee]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Can anything?

I actually think you guys wouldn't believe anything anyone tells you. Even if it's true and plain to see with your own two eyes. You're all physical media fanatics and nothing I or anyone else says will change your mind on this. I'm not falling out with you or anyone, it's just plain to see.

Advantages of physical media.

You own it, no one can alter the content. It's yours unless someone breaks in and steals it.
The sound quality is better.
There are often more extras on disc.
You get a 4K and Blu Ray version.
You get a digital copy but no longer in the UK.
Artwork.

Advantages of streaming.

It's convenient.
Buying films is instant.
It's usually cheaper. Much cheaper. You can currently buy all three Jumanji films in 4K for £17.99 on Apple. Jumanji: the Next Level is £25 on disc.
Many films that are in 4K on streaming are stuck in DVD / HD on disc.
Exclusive titles like The Mandarlorian or The Aeronauts. Exclusive shows and films.
No storage space, no shelves, no unsightly discs everywhere.

Bottom line, digital saves you money and space in your house, for the SAME picture quality. The sound is better, yes, but so what?

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by SCLee

Actually I'm not, he said there was a minor difference, while next to the screen but he could see 'no difference' from normal viewing distance. The distance that most people sit at in a living room. That's the truth Vilya, you can't twist it, you can say he's wrong but that's what he said and I agree with him

I have seen his video more times than you and others have posted it. He describes in detail a number of flaws with the streamed content. He said "marginal" at normal viewing distances, not minor; that is a direct quote.

I never said that Vincent was wrong. I like him and I have seen many of his videos. He states explicitly the flaws that he sees while acknowledging that the average viewer would likely not be concerned. How much one cares about these clearly mentioned deficits varies with each of us.

There is nothing average about my passion for films and seeing and hearing them in the best quality possible has been my never ending quest for 35 years and counting.

[SCLee]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I won’t have a bad word said about Vincent.

Who is he again?

A professional calibrator with 181K subscribers and over 250k views on that video

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by SCLee

A professional calibrator with 181K subscribers and over 250k views on that video

Well whoopie fluking doo!

[SCLee]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I have seen his video more times than you and others have posted it. He describes in detail a number of flaws with the streamed content. He said "marginal" at normal viewing distances, not minor; that is a direct quote.

I never said that Vincent was wrong. I like him and I have seen many of his videos. He states explicitly the flaws that he sees while acknowledging that the average viewer would likely not be concerned. How much one cares about these clearly mentioned deficits varies with each of us.

There is nothing average about my passion for films and seeing and hearing them in the best quality possible has been my never ending quest for 35 years and counting.

I completely disagree with you. There is no difference, plain and simple! He didn't say that, I've seen the video a few times now and what he said is... there is a minor difference when close up (next to the screens) but at normal viewing distance, he could see 'no difference.' He mentions there is slightly more difference between the two pictures, when close up - including a slight loss of detail and some black crushing. BUT when viewed from where most people watch there is NO difference. By the way, regardless of what he says, I can see it with my own two eyes, I've done the tests and he's right, there is no difference.

This will be my last word (to you) on this subject because I don't need to prove anything to you, I've watched the video.

[SCLee]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Well whoopie fluking doo!

Like I said, you're physical media fanatics and NO ONE will ever convince you streaming is just as good. And that's fine. It's your money, pay four times as much and it's your storage space and it's your life ruining hobby - with no real social interaction.

Discussing anything else would just be going 'round in circles. You can reply and you will, and Vilya will (he would reply for England), he's NEVER wrong, about anything, ever! He believes what he believes and he's stuck in his ways. And arguing with him is pointless.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by SCLee

I actually think you guys wouldn't believe anything anyone tells you. Even if it's true and plain to see with your own two eyes. You're all physical media fanatics and nothing I or anyone else says will change your mind on this. I'm not falling out with you or anyone, it's just plain to see.

Advantages of physical media.

You own it, no one can alter the content. It's yours unless someone breaks in and steals it.
The sound quality is better.
There are often more extras on disc.
You get a 4K and Blu Ray version.
You get a digital copy but no longer in the UK.
Artwork.

Advantages of streaming.

It's convenient.
Buying films is instant.
It's usually cheaper. Much cheaper. You can currently buy all three Jumanji films in 4K for £17.99 on Apple. Jumanji: the Next Level is £25 on disc.
Many films that are in 4K on streaming are stuck in DVD / HD on disc.
Exclusive titles like The Mandarlorian or The Aeronauts. Exclusive shows and films.
No storage space, no shelves, no unsightly discs everywhere.

Bottom line, digital saves you money and space in your house, for the SAME picture quality. The sound is better, yes, but so what?

It’s not the same.

Audio? It makes a massive difference. We want to replicate the cinema experience at home. You don’t. There you have it.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by SCLee

I completely disagree with you. There is no difference, plain and simple! He didn't say that, I've seen the video a few times now and what he said is... there is a minor difference when close up (next to the screens) but at normal viewing distance, he could see 'no difference.' He mentions there is slightly more difference between the two pictures, when close up - including a slight loss of detail and some black crushing. BUT when viewed from where most people watch there is NO difference. This will be my last word on this because I know that you're wrong because I've watched the video.

He is not wrong. He has his own eyes to judge stuff. We all see things differently. Some people can see judder, some can’t. Some can see minor micro blocking, some can’t. Some can tell the difference between frozen grain and natural, well handled grain. You get my point. The bigger you go, the more issues you will spot.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by SCLee

I actually think you guys wouldn't believe anything anyone tells you. Even if it's true and plain to see with your own two eyes. You're all physical media fanatics and nothing I or anyone else says will change your mind on this. I'm not falling out with you or anyone, it's just plain to see.

[Show spoiler]Advantages of physical media.

You own it, no one can alter the content. It's yours unless someone breaks in and steals it.
The sound quality is better.
There are often more extras on disc.
You get a 4K and Blu Ray version.
You get a digital copy but no longer in the UK.
Artwork.

Advantages of streaming.

It's convenient.
Buying films is instant.
It's usually cheaper. Much cheaper. You can currently buy all three Jumanji films in 4K for £17.99 on Apple. Jumanji: the Next Level is £25 on disc.
Many films that are in 4K on streaming are stuck in DVD / HD on disc.
Exclusive titles like The Mandarlorian or The Aeronauts. Exclusive shows and films.
No storage space, no shelves, no unsightly discs everywhere.

Bottom line, digital saves you money and space in your house, for the SAME picture quality. The sound is better, yes, but so what?

It is not the same picture quality, nor the same audio quality, and even your idol Vincent plainly says so.

Audio quality matters a LOT to many of us; that you do not value it does nothing to lessen our appreciation for it. A well organized attractively displayed disc library is a thing of beauty, too.

You are calling those of us who prefer discs names now, we're "fanatics" who are too obstinate to agree with you, but you then state that you don't want any arguments. I think that you are a cheapskate that can't tell the difference between a cheeseburger and a filet mignon, but I don't want to start anything here, either.

This "fanatic" use both discs and streaming, so that kind of dilutes the whole definition of fanaticism. My digital library, like my disc library, is probably much larger than yours.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by SCLee

Like I said, you're physical media fanatics and NO ONE will ever convince you streaming is just as good. And that's fine. It's your money, pay four times as much and it's your storage space and it's your life ruining hobby - with no real social interaction. Discussing anything else would be going 'round in circles. You can reply and you will and Vilya will (he would replyfor England), he's NEVER wrong, about anything, ever! He believes what he believes and he's stuck in his ways. And arguing with him is pointless.

Life enhancing hobby you mean? Film has given me so much. Heck, my first date was at the flicks watching Rocky 4!

I fell in love with film as a kid for various reasons. I still love it.
I go to the cinema as well. I go with family, sometimes friends. I can do both. It’s easy.

[SCLee]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

Plus, not everything that comes out of Vincent’s mouth can be considered as gospel.

Even when he's right.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

It is not the same picture quality, nor the same audio quality, and even your idol Vincent plainly says so.

Audio quality matters a LOT to many of us; that you do not value it does nothing to lessen our appreciation for it. A well organized attractively displayed disc library is a thing of beauty, too.

You are calling those of us who prefer discs names now, we're "fanatics" who are too obstinate to agree with you, but you then state that you don't want any arguments. I think that you are a cheapskate that can't tell the difference between a cheeseburger and a filet mignon, but I don't want to start anything here, either.

This "fanatic" use both discs and streaming, so that kind of dilutes the whole definition of fanaticism. My digital library, like my disc library, is probably much larger than yours.

Couldn’t put it better.

[SCLee]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Life enhancing hobby you mean? Film has given me so much. Heck, my first date was at the flicks watching Rocky 4!

I fell in love with film as a kid for various reasons. I still love it.
I go to the cinema as well. I go with family, sometimes friends. I can do both. It’s easy.

And what does your wife / girlfriend think of this?

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by SCLee

I completely disagree with you. There is no difference, plain and simple! He didn't say that, I've seen the video a few times now and what he said is... there is a minor difference when close up (next to the screens) but at normal viewing distance, he could see 'no difference.' He mentions there is slightly more difference between the two pictures, when close up - including a slight loss of detail and some black crushing. BUT when viewed from where most people watch there is NO difference. By the way, regardless of what he says, I can see it with my own two eyes, I've done the tests and he's right, there is no difference.

This will be my last word (to you) on this subject because I don't need to prove anything to you, I've watched the video.

Do I really need to provide with you with exact time stamps where Vincent says these things? Are you really challenging my ability to provide quotes and citations? Really?

You only see and hear what you want, but I welcome this being your last word as you can not handle anyone disagreeing with you about anything.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by SCLee

And what does your wife / girlfriend think of this?

We do not need validation for our choices from others. A real partner would support your passions, not undermine them.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by SCLee

And what does your wife / girlfriend think of this?

My ex girlfriend loved it. I even gave her some digital codes that I normally wipe my ass with. She used both but she knew she was in for a treat with my HT. it didn’t work out but it was nothing to do with my love of film!

Thanks for your concern though.

I’m off to watch San Andreas in 3D.

[SCLee]

Originally Posted by Vilya

This "fanatic" use both discs and streaming, so that kind of dilutes the whole definition of fanaticism. My digital library, like my disc library, is probably much larger than yours.

That doesn't help your case, that just means you're more fanatical. I have a passing interest in films, mainly blockbusters. I don't spend my life watching them. There are far more important things than film. You only live once.

Sigh, I'm wasting my time . What ever I say, you will twist it and tell half truths or just tell plain lies so that physical media comes out on top. No one can come into this thread because if they do and dare to state a love for digital you attack them! As does Steedeel and the other lurkers in here.

In the end there was / is one voice of reason in this thread and their name is alchav21 They have the guts to go against the curve.

Enjoy your physical media.

You are wasting your time too but my time is precious. I'm out.