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GuruAskew · 08-23-2011, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Merlinpants

See my post above. Changing historical versions of the OT is frowned upon, but you are all happy to have the historical version of PM changed dramatically. Who's post is the dumbest ever now? Thanks for your objective (read objectional) response to my post.

It's frowned upon by a very small (but vocal) group of people and you act as if it's some law or commandment set in stone.

I don't care if George Lucas changes any of his movies if I think the changes are improvements.

Clearly the people you were freaking out on feel the same way. The TPM puppet Yoda was awful, now we have an improved CGI replacement and I think a lot of people will be glad to see it.

mrr1 · 08-23-2011, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by FrodoBagginz

The "always a bigger fish" scene needs to be cut down. .

No way. If they remove anything from that sequence I am going to punch a kitten.

Qui Gon's "There's always a bigger fish" is probably the best line in all of the prequels.

Starpower67 · 08-23-2011, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Merlinpants

See my post above. Changing historical versions of the OT is frowned upon, but you are all happy to have the historical version of PM changed dramatically. Who's post is the dumbest ever now? Thanks for your objective (read objectional) response to my post.

You misunderstand why people don't like the changes though. It's not that they think the OT is untouchable, and should be revered. It's the fact that they did not like the changes that were made. Pleanty of people on here like some of the changes, and hate others. Not because they think the OT is not to be touched, but rather the changes that were made were for the worse. A lot of people hated the way the cgi puppet looked in TPM and that is why they are happy for the change. With that said I am sure there is someone out there who will prefer the original puppet yoda in PM. Simply because it's personal preference which is very subjective.

Merlinpants · 08-23-2011, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by GuruAskew

It's frowned upon by a very small (but vocal) group of people and you act as if it's some law or commandment set in stone.

I don't care if George Lucas changes any of his movies if I think the changes are improvements.

So why call my post dumb? Just a plain rude person then?

I don't care if Lucas makes changes, I quite like some of them. My point is that a lot of people (and other foums where they enjoy their whining in groups of like minded hypocrites) on here complain to high heaven about the changes made, want the UOT released, but LOVE the yoda change in PM. That is hypocritical behaviour page one.

Please don't be so rude in future when you clearly have no idea what I was referring to. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Starpower67

It's not that they think the OT is untouchable, and should be revered.

and yes they do, that is my exact point LOL

goldenrod · 08-23-2011, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Starpower67

You misunderstand why people don't like the changes though. It's not that they think the OT is untouchable, and should be revered. It's the fact that they did not like the changes that were made. Pleanty of people on here like some of the changes, and hate others. Not becasue they think the OT is not to be touched, but rather the changes that were made were for the worse. A lot of people hated the way the cgi puppet looked in TPM and that is why they are happy for the change. With that said I am sure there is someone out there who will prefer the original pupper yoda in PM. Simply because it's personal preference which is very sujective.

What I really find funny, is that many who dislike the changes made by GL never stop asking about the UOT, but these same people praise a fanedit that used many changes.... that I don't find that impressive

GuruAskew · 08-23-2011, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Starpower67

You misunderstand why people don't like the changes though. It's not that they think the OT is untouchable, and should be revered. It's the fact that they did not like the changes that were made. Pleanty of people on here like some of the changes, and hate others. Not becasue they think the OT is not to be touched, but rather the changes that were made were for the worse. A lot of people hated the way the cgi puppet looked in TPM and that is why they are happy for the change. With that said I am sure there is someone out there who will prefer the original pupper yoda in PM. Simply because it's personal preference which is very sujective.

I disagree somewhat I think people freak out over the fact that the movies were changed and overreact to the point that they can't rationally judge te changes. This guy you're responding to proves this: it doesn't matter how much of an improvement there is (and the TPM Yoda example is practically undeniable) you'll have people like him objecting still.

Bottom line: the original versions of all the "Star Wars" movies will always be adequately protected in the LucasFilm archives and they'll never be lost as far as history is concerned. That doesn't mean Lucas is obligated to release Blu-ray editions of those versions for all of us to own.

octagon · 08-23-2011, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Merlinpants

I love how the people that bash Lucas for all the changes he has made are now shouting from the rooftops for another one being so wonderful. What makes one change good and one change bad? Surely all changes are either good or bad, you can't have it both ways LOL

Are the PT immune from being part of cinematic history? Does the removal of the original Yoda puppet from the original release version not stand as sacrilege alongside the removal of the Sebastian Shaw being replaced by Hayden?

Look at yourself in the mirror, feel like hypocrites?

A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines. - Ralph Waldo Emerson (1803-1882)

GuruAskew · 08-23-2011, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Merlinpants

So why call my post dumb? Just a plain rude person then?

I don't care if Lucas makes changes, I quite like some of them. My point is that a lot of people (and other foums where they enjoy their whining in groups of like minded hypocrites) on here complain to high heaven about the changes made, want the UOT released, but LOVE the yoda change in PM. That is hypocritical behaviour page one.

Please don't be so rude in future when you clearly have no idea what I was referring to. Thanks.

and yes they do, that is my exact point LOL

If you can prove that the people saying they liked the new CGI Yoda in TPM were the same people who complain about any changes to the UOT I'll concede that you're right. Short of that you're calling people hypocrites based on the behavior of other people entirely.

Merlinpants · 08-23-2011, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by GuruAskew

I disagree somewhat I think people freak out over the fact that the movies were changed and overreact to the point that they can't rationally judge te changes. This guy you're responding to proves this: it doesn't matter how much of an improvement there is (and the TPM Yoda example is practically undeniable) you'll have people like him objecting still.
Bottom line: the original versions of all the "Star Wars" movies will always be adequately protected in the LucasFilm archives and they'll never be lost as far as history is concerned. That doesn't mean Lucas is obligated to release Blu-ray editions of those versions for all of us to own.

Jeez, you really are not getting it are you. I have no objection (did you not notice that I actually posted I like the new yoda) to any change made.

You are just not getting it are you. I am laughing at the haters. You are just a rude person, FACT.

Starpower67 · 08-23-2011, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by goldenrod

What I really find funny, is that many who dislike the changes made by GL never stop asking about the UOT, but these same people praise a fanedit that used many changes.... that I don't find that impressive

I have never seen that personally, but then again I never watch fan edits. That is very strange though. I prefer the UOT, but I am really glad that we were able to get it on dvd. I know the quality is bad, but to me it's better than nothing. I can understand why people want to have the UOT in hd, if that is their prefered version, and I think he should release it in hd. I personally think he will in time to, just like he did with the dvds. It's the best way to make money, and he has always been a smart business man when it comes to that stuff.

I think it will be like LOTR, releasing the theatrical versions on blu first, then the extended versions a year later. It makes the most business sense, it does work pleanty of people double dipped on the blu that wouldn't have if the 2 versions had been released at the same time. Now if the UOT on blu will have a descent transfer that I am not so sure about.

Merlinpants · 08-23-2011, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by GuruAskew

If you can prove that the people saying they liked the new CGI Yoda in TPM were the same people who complain about any changes to the UOT I'll concede that you're right. Short of that you're calling people hypocrites based on the behavior of other people entirely.

COWBOY, someone needs to see your posts LOL. Thanks for your generous ofering of conceding I am right, don't really want it or need it, I was making a point. That point carries no real substance, it was just a point aimed at all the pointless arguments kicked around this forum. The OT is on a pedestal, the PT can be damned. Not really sporting.

Haed over to originaltrilogy.com if you want a turkey shoot on examples. They have all stopped coming here since the previews have been out dispelling all of the colour timing, incorrect audio, matte lines etc etc etc etc issues.

goldenrod · 08-23-2011, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Starpower67

I have never seen that personally, but then again I never watch fan edits. That is very strange though. I prefer the UOT, but I am really glad that we were able to get it on dvd. I know the quality is bad, but to me it's better than nothing. I can understand why people want to have the UOT in hd, if that is their prefered version, and I think he should release it in hd. I personally think he will in time to, just like he did with the dvds. It's the best way to make money, and he has always been a smart business man when it comes to that stuff.

I think it will be like LOTR, releasing the theatrical versions on blu first, then the extended versions a year later. It makes the most business sense, it does work pleanty of people double dipped on the blu that wouldn't have if the 2 versions had been released at the same time. Now if the UOT on blu will have a descent transfer that I am not so sure about.

Me too I would have love to have the UOT on these Blu-ray, and like you, I don't hate the changes made to the movies (except perhaps Greedo).

It's just that I don't understand why those that wants no matter what the UOT, dislike the special editions think that revisited is great...

octagon · 08-23-2011, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Merlinpants

The OT is on a pedestal, the PT can be damned. Not really sporting.

If he wanted all his movies on pedestals he should have made them all good

Merlinpants · 08-23-2011, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by octagon

If he wanted all his movies on pedestals he should have made them all good

LOL, never a truer word spoken in jest (merlinpants 2011)

Starpower67 · 08-23-2011, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Merlinpants

and yes they do, that is my exact point LOL

Well I guess we just see it differently. I don't think people feel the OT is untouchable. Like I said before, I just think they didn't like the changes that were made. It's unfair to lump all of the people who don't like the changes into one catagory.

Merlinpants · 08-23-2011, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Starpower67

Well I guess we just see it differently. I don't think people feel the OT is untouchable. Like I said before, I just think they didn't like the changes that were made. It's unfair to lump all of the people who don't like the changes into one catagory.

Not aimed at everyone by a long margin, just a select few

Starpower67 · 08-23-2011, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Merlinpants

Not aimed at everyone by a long margin, just a select few

Oh okay, I suppose there is always someone in every group that could feel that way.

al cos. · 08-24-2011, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Merlinpants

See my post above. Changing historical versions of the OT is frowned upon, but you are all happy to have the historical version of PM changed dramatically. :

Do you have any idea what a ridiculous leap you just made?

HylianBowcaster · 08-24-2011, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by ZoetMB

I don't get involved in all the silly arguments over laser weapon colors and which version of Jabba to use and whether Yoda should be puppet or CGI and I don't even care who shoots first.

But on this one, I think using Hayden is wrong. It's wrong for one simple reason: How does Luke know who he is? Ever since Lucas stuck Hayden in there, I've always felt that Luke should have said, "Hey Yoda...who's that guy with you and Obi-Wan?" It's not a younger Obi-Wan and it's not a younger Yoda. Why is it a younger Anakin? I don't buy the argument that it's Anakin before he turned to the dark side, because even if that's true, Luke still wouldn't recognize him.

The same argument could be said about the original version. With Sebastian Shaw in there Anakin looks way older than he should (Shaw was over 80 years when this was filmed, nearly double the age of Vader). In addition his appearance is more of a "what-if" scenario. It's like saying "what would Anakin look like if he was never burned alive?" It's just as big a change as having Hayden Christensen in there. The most logical choice is to have stumpy-burnt Anakin as a ghost, that way it makes the most sense and no one's happy about it.

Starpower67 · 08-24-2011, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by HylianBowcaster

The same argument could be said about the original version. With Sebastian Shaw in there Anakin looks way older than he should (Shaw was over 80 years when this was filmed, nearly double the age of Vader). In addition his appearance is more of a "what-if" scenario. It's like saying "what would Anakin look like if he was never burned alive?" It's just as big a change as having Hayden Christensen in there. The most logical choice is to have stumpy-burnt Anakin as a ghost, that way it makes the most sense and no one's happy about it.

Not really, since Shaw is the same actor that played Vader unmasked, and that is the only way Luke ever saw him. Well before the PT came out how would you even know how old vader was? Was Shaw really over 80? He didn't look that old to me.

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