Avengers: Infinity War (2018) - SPOILER THREAD

[avs commenter]

Homecoming was the only Spiderman movie I actually liked

[kylor]

Okay, Homecoming has one good thing about it. Vulture. Pretty sweet design.

[Stanis]

The only thing I would have changed about IW is the Iron Spider. I just like traditional Spidey, and having him so reliant on Stark kind of ruins the character for me. Being self made, self reliant and having to deal with stuff in a Peter Parker kind of way. The Iron Spider suit with the legs, I know thats big in the comics and the cartoons, but it all reminds me of how Marvel is always "trying something new" with Spidey, he's good as he is! And yes I agree the new kid is great, but Garfield wasn't terrible (even if his films were) but Tobey's Spider-Man was a very traditionally good Spidey, even if the actor didn't fit the Peter role that great (I blame Raimy for the cringeyness, he likes that kind of awkward humor). All that to say, Thanos rules and he made SpiderBoy cry, lol

[enenra]

Homecoming has it purpose of , in the space of 1 movie, showing Peter coming of age so by the time Infinity War comes around, he is fully established Spiderman.

its 1) to make the Spidermans Sequel go all out rather than have to focus on more "growth" or a nod to "origin" and 2) so that his Ash scene has even more impact in IW.

I really dont know why people complain about Homecoming.
Its still a 7/10 movie at least despite Sony still having a finger inserted inside the movie. It has its purpose and executes it excellently.

[manunited1]

Originally Posted by kylor

It may have sucked, but at least it isn't the black hole that is Spider-Man Homecoming.

Good luck with Venom lol. Gonna be a vapid dumpster fire.

At any rate, Homecoming was great and a perfect humble reboot to the films. Other than the suit and spider senses, it is the most accurate Spiderman film ever made. Holland IS the perfect Peter Parker and they nailed the tension of being a young boy in school that is also trying to balance being a hero.

Not everything has to be an epic apocalypse.

One of the greatest Spiderman scenes ever is a simple and small scene of Peter Parker being dropped off at a dance by his date's father. It is perfect. Homecoming is about these moments. Not sure how you could think a movie revolving around character development and emotion can be a black hole.

[jordanstine]

Originally Posted by kylor

Okay, Homecoming has one good thing about it. Vulture. Pretty sweet design.

Ned.

[Johnny Blu]

Originally Posted by manunited1

You refuse to watch Ragnarok yet you cry at the Amazing Spiderman 2? LOl cool story.

That movie SUUUUUUCKED and the trailers showed her death. Super fail.

That is probably the second worst Spiderman film of all time. I had ZERO reaction to Gwen's death and found myself bored to tears.

Which trailer showed her death? I don't recall ever seeing that. That was an emotional scene for me, along with the kid trying to stand in for Spider-Man at the end to face Rhino.

[Gamma_Winstead]

I'm also in the camp that really enjoy Garfield as Spidey, and actually liked ASM2. However, if losing out on more Garfield and ASM3 gives us more Tom Holland hanging out with Doctor Strange, Stark, Star-Lord, and allows us to see him fight Thanos and other classic Marvel villains...



See ya Andrew.

[Johnny Blu]

Originally Posted by manunited1

Good luck with Venom lol. Gonna be a vapid dumpster fire.

At any rate, Homecoming was great and a perfect humble reboot to the films. Other than the suit and spider senses, it is the most accurate Spiderman film ever made. Holland IS the perfect Peter Parker and they nailed the tension of being a young boy in school that is also trying to balance being a hero.

Not everything has to be an epic apocalypse.

One of the greatest Spiderman scenes ever is a simple and small scene of Peter Parker being dropped off at a dance by his date's father. It is perfect. Homecoming is about these moments. Not sure how you could think a movie revolving around character development and emotion can be a black hole.

Personally, Venom is my most anticipated comic book movie this year.

As for Tom Holland's version of Spider-Man, we have seen him in 3 separate movies so far. Will we ever see him in a movie where he is not constantly running to and looking for Tony Stark's approval? Seriously, Spider-Man should be able to carry a movie on his own. So why does he seem to be attached to the hip to Tony Stark?

[manunited1]

Originally Posted by Johnny Blu

Which trailer showed her death? I don't recall ever seeing that. That was an emotional scene for me, along with the kid trying to stand in for Spider-Man at the end to face Rhino.

I remember a trailer that showed spiderman fighting Green Goblin, then showed a scene of him shooting web, had a scene of Gwen there, then showed a scene of Garfield crying with something in his arms. I distinctly remember going to see it fully knowing she was done for.

I have even heard podcasts talk about the trailer for that movie literally showing everything. There was not a single surprise going into it for me and I had only seen a couple trailers and tv spots.

[enenra]

Originally Posted by Johnny Blu

Personally, Venom is my most anticipated comic book movie this year.

As for Tom Holland's version of Spider-Man, we have seen him in 3 separate movies so far. Will we ever see him in a movie where he is not constantly running to and looking for Tony Stark's approval? Seriously, Spider-Man should be able to carry a movie on his own. So why does he seem to be attached to the hip to Tony Stark?

because he is 15 and his only father figure he has known since his parents abandoned him, was uncle ben who was killed.

Therefore, he is overly clingly to Stark because of it.

Give it time for goodness sake.
After the events of IW Peter will likely gain that independence.
He even mentions in Homecoming how stark "Overdone" the suits features.

Now we have seen him in Iron Spider costume, Im confident in his next movies he just has a plain suit and relies on his ability.

[manunited1]

Originally Posted by Johnny Blu

Personally, Venom is my most anticipated comic book movie this year.

As for Tom Holland's version of Spider-Man, we have seen him in 3 separate movies so far. Will we ever see him in a movie where he is not constantly running to and looking for Tony Stark's approval? Seriously, Spider-Man should be able to carry a movie on his own. So why does he seem to be attached to the hip to Tony Stark?

I would keep your hopes grounded lol. I love venom and Tom Hardy, but those trailers look SOOOOO bad. Like Fantastic Four bad.

As for Spidey, give it time. I think him seeking for a father figure in Stark is quite touching. While it is not canonical at all, it fits the current MCU. Having said that, in the end of Homecoming, he is victorious without Stark and proves himself to his idol. THis is the point of the Stark-Peter relationship. he just wants to make a father figure proud and to prove himself.

Trapped under the rubble and dying, he starts to become a man and a hero on his own.

In Infinity War he simply jumps into action and gets in way too over his head. He is not strong enough for that battle and needed help.

[imsounoriginal]

Originally Posted by Chaotic

I have an image of Tobey's Parker falling into Starks arms. *cringe*

[kylor]

Originally Posted by manunited1

Good luck with Venom lol. Gonna be a vapid dumpster fire.

At any rate, Homecoming was great and a perfect humble reboot to the films. Other than the suit and spider senses, it is the most accurate Spiderman film ever made. Holland IS the perfect Peter Parker and they nailed the tension of being a young boy in school that is also trying to balance being a hero.

Not everything has to be an epic apocalypse.

One of the greatest Spiderman scenes ever is a simple and small scene of Peter Parker being dropped off at a dance by his date's father. It is perfect. Homecoming is about these moments. Not sure how you could think a movie revolving around character development and emotion can be a black hole.

Well since you've already seen the Venom movie before it has come out it's a safe opinion for you.

And no, it's far from accurate, at least to the comics. The Sam Raimi trilogy is all kinds of bad, but at least that was closer to the comics than any other iteration.

Here's just one of MANY things Homecoming got wrong: Mary Jane Watson.

Comics MJ:



Raimi Trilogy MJ:



Homecoming MJ:

[TommySyk]

Originally Posted by manunited1

Good luck with Venom lol. Gonna be a vapid dumpster fire.

At any rate, Homecoming was great and a perfect humble reboot to the films. Other than the suit and spider senses, it is the most accurate Spiderman film ever made. Holland IS the perfect Peter Parker and they nailed the tension of being a young boy in school that is also trying to balance being a hero.

Not everything has to be an epic apocalypse.

One of the greatest Spiderman scenes ever is a simple and small scene of Peter Parker being dropped off at a dance by his date's father. It is perfect. Homecoming is about these moments. Not sure how you could think a movie revolving around character development and emotion can be a black hole.

Don't forget the scene where he's trapped under the debris crying and screaming for help and there's no one there to help him. That's the moment in which he truly becomes Spider-Man, where he realizes he doesn't need a suit or Tony Stark to help him become who he's destined to be. It's a great scene and I almost tear up everytime I see it.

[Geoff D]

Loved IW. A bit clunky to be sure but that's to be expected on a gigantic team-up of this scale, and making it Thanos' movie was a masterstroke. He's been on the fringes for so long that it simply had to be his movie and the stuff between him and Gamora alone was worth the price of admission. Extraordinary work on Thanos himself BTW, he's not just a lump of purple pixels nor is he Josh Brolin, he's the best of both and is entirely his own thing. Best CG character ever? I'd say so.

More random thoughts: I super geeked out when Red Skull popped up, shame that Hugo wasn't doing the voice but he burned that bridge a loooooong time ago. I personally didn't get the heartbreak from The Snappening 'deaths', not even Peter's scene, because it's soooooo blatantly obvious that it's gonna be undone in some capacity in Avengers 4, but could all the sensitive souls out there not take that as some mortal slight against the movie or themselves? Thanks. It's just me expressing an opinion so chill the **** out and note that I'm not saying it completely undermined the movie itself, there was enough actual death being dealt for it to still hit me square in the feels.

It's crazy how many times the movie revisits that theme of sacrifice, of one being given up for another, and how many of them ultimately bend to Thanos' will to save their friends, while perhaps the strongest love in the whole movie is ultimately the only one (of the good guys ) that's broken precisely because it is so powerful, e.g. Wanda and Vision. Alas, the Time Gem undoes that sacrifice anyway.

Whedon may be gone but his ghost still lingers in the snarky interplay between the characters and their off-beat asides, it may not feel entirely organic to this movie given how Serious it is but hell with it, there's some DAMNED funny stuff in this flick. The ice-cream gag was great (Hulka Hulka Burning Fudge should be a legit flavour) and the bit with "invisible" Drax had me laughing so hard I was wiping away tears, Bautista is so good in this role.

Need another viewing to process it all, but as it stands this is a towering achievement for the MCU. People keep giving Whedon all the credit in the world for delivering the first Avengers, they'd damn well better do the same for the Russos after this. Who'd have thought that juggling all those petty, self-absorbed, narcissistic characters in Arrested Development would've been such good practice for this?

And that after credits scene, WOAH. Stoked for Captain Marvel now.

[manunited1]

Originally Posted by kylor

Well since you've already seen the Venom movie before it has come out it's a safe opinion for you.

And no, it's far from accurate, at least to the comics. The Sam Raimi trilogy is all kinds of bad, but at least that was closer to the comics than any other iteration.

Here's just one of MANY things Homecoming got wrong: Mary Jane Watson.

Comics MJ:



Raimi Trilogy MJ:



Homecoming MJ:

Got a problem with them making MJ black? DO we really need another white ginger girl playing her? Also, she is not Mary Jane. She is a new MJ if I am not mistaken?

Raimi had some tiny elements right in the first movie, but everything else was quite different from the comics.

Homecoming is the most accurate to the tone and personality that makes Spiderman the character we all loved from the comics.

[kylor]

Originally Posted by manunited1

Got a problem with them making MJ black? DO we really need another white ginger girl playing her? Also, she is not Mary Jane. She is a new MJ if I am not mistaken?

Raimi had some tiny elements right in the first movie, but everything else was quite different from the comics.

Homecoming is the most accurate to the tone and personality that makes Spiderman the character we all loved from the comics.

Not color, acting. There's a difference.

And you know what? Homecoming did at least get the web shooters right. I'll give it that.

They didn't take the costume from the comics, that's for sure.

[Blu-Benny]

Originally Posted by Johnny Blu

Personally, Venom is my most anticipated comic book movie this year.

[manunited1]

Originally Posted by kylor

Not color, acting. There's a difference.

And you know what? Homecoming did at least get the web shooters right. I'll give it that.

She was great in her role... Besides, Peter Parker getting the A typical "hot" and popular girl is just so cliche and has been done so many times. I like that they updated some elements like MJ being a normal and shy girl with a crush on Peter, instead of a crush on SPiderman. I like that Flash is a more realistic bully that would be interacting with a kid like Peter on a day to day basis. I like that aunt may is not 80 lol. I like the Stark relationship as that is the most logical way to bring SPidey into the current Avengers paradigm.

I got no problems with all of that. The most important element has always been Peter Parker.

We got like 70 years of Spiderman dating Mary Jane and five films revolving around Peter Parker being in love with some basic white chick. Why not change it up? I don't want another trilogy centered around a cliche love story.