Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[cheez avenger]

I pre-ordered the Flash Gordon 4K steelbook.

#hesavedeveryoneofus

[moreorless]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

Gotta love this article!

https://gizmodo.com/amazon-sued-for-...ource=facebook

That's a pretty weak justification at the end of it, that consumers should "know better" because its common knowledge in tech circles.

In reality if nothing comes of this it will likely be because Amazon settle out of court of just drag out the battle beyond anyones ability to fight it.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by moreorless

That's a pretty weak justification at the end of it, that consumers should "know better" because its common knowledge in tech circles.

In reality if nothing comes of this it will likely be because Amazon settle out of court of just drag out the battle beyond anyones ability to fight it.

How hard is it to research something these days? A few minutes.

[moreorless]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

How hard is it to research something these days? A few minutes.

Perhaps people don't even realise theres a need to research anything? they just assume that when you advertise "buying" something that means permanent access, at least access as long as Amazon is in business.

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by moreorless

Perhaps people don't even realise theres a need to research anything? they just assume that when you advertise "buying" something that means permanent access, at least access as long as Amazon is in business.

I didn't realize or I should say I just assumed that if I bought iTunes content I would have access to it so long as iTunes was around and that was going to be forever type stuff.

Then a movie wasn't available that I bought. There was no indication it would come back and no time estimate of it coming back. iTunes informed me I didn't really own it and the owners had full control and a refund was not possible.

I bought the UHD instead and now that's what I do. If I can. I own several iTunes 4K movies that don't have a UHD release. These may just be late like in the case of Parasite which was available on Blu long before UHD BD.

I stopped buying iTunes when I realized I couldn't own it and if you ask me I found the whole store front a little ambiguous. I'll redeem codes and continue to build my online libraries but they are sort of like a backup and I know I don't own them.

I have kids. I recently updated my will. I know a tiny bit of legalese and now I've read the T&C which takes only a few minutes.





-Brian

[Wendell R. Breland]

If one looks for streaming content on Amazon then you will see the following for the title of interest:

By ordering or viewing, you agree to our Terms. Sold by Amazon Digital Services LLC.

Their TOS/EULA is very similar to all other streaming content owners and providers. That is you own nothing, content can disappear, you agree to no or limited legal action, they can do any of this without notice and (the best one) they can change the TOS/EULA in part or in whole, without notice.

Have posted several times: With a few exceptions, I do not buy content that is not covered by The First Sale Doctrine.

[flyry]

Yes because taking away your content is a great business decision...

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by flyry

Yes because taking away your content is a great business decision...

Does someone need to draw you you a picture?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by moreorless

Perhaps people don't even realise theres a need to research anything? they just assume that when you advertise "buying" something that means permanent access, at least access as long as Amazon is in business.

Well, I’m that case they really do have only themselves to blame. I have little sympathy.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by moreorless

Perhaps people don't even realise theres a need to research anything? they just assume that when you advertise "buying" something that means permanent access, at least access as long as Amazon is in business.

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

If one looks for streaming content on Amazon then you will see the following for the title of interest:

Nothing to research, see above. Have never purchased a streaming title via Amazon so not sure how the term “Own” relates to the lawsuit.

I do know that when I redeem one of my disc codes it say that I now “Own” said title. But before you can redeem said title you MUST agree that you have ownership of physical copy and you have read and agree to their TOS/EULA. In a nutshell you own nothing but a nonexclusive license to said streaming title until they say otherwise.

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by flyry

Yes because taking away your content is a great business decision...

I think it's more like something isn't making money and eliminating it is a great business decision. A very easy business decision. It's like when you can't stop the bleeding seek help ... that level of decision.

How does anyone imagine this type of service is profitable when all of them are failing one after another ?

Best Buy tried it .. failed. Target tried it .... Failed, Walmart tried it ... failed. The worst one Fandango now takes over for Vudu if that ever even happens. I'm sure this business model is a cash cow but BB, Target and Walmart didn't care or something.

And now with subscriptions things are changing faster as stuff moves around and new deals are forged.

[flyry]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Does someone need to draw you you a picture?

You know what I meant. Don't be an ass

Originally Posted by bhampton

I think it's more like something isn't making money and eliminating it is a great business decision. A very easy business decision. It's like when you can't stop the bleeding seek help ... that level of decision.

How does anyone imagine this type of service is profitable when all of them are failing one after another ?

Best Buy tried it .. failed. Target tried it .... Failed, Walmart tried it ... failed. The worst one Fandango now takes over for Vudu if that ever even happens. I'm sure this business model is a cash cow but BB, Target and Walmart didn't care or something.

And now with subscriptions things are changing faster as stuff moves around and new deals are forged.

Yes but the ones that are around would not discourage purchases by removing shit. Trolls World Tour just made $100 million strictly on VOD, but carry on with your doom and gloom.

I just saw an article that said something like only 10% of people would be comfortable going back to a theater right now and only when its truly safe. we may be in a new normal for the forseeable future.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by flyry

YYes but the ones that are around would not discourage purchases by removing shit. Trolls World Tour just made $100 million strictly on VOD, but carry on with your doom and gloom.

A occasional PVOD that makes money doesn't mean anyone is doing well, be it the streaming host whose really not making any money, and the studio that is seeing far less then a theater run allowing a PVOD to take place.

Pretty much everyone here that looks at streaming as dominant and forever never looks at financials.

[sapiendut]

But isn’t that typical of the streaming proponents? Their arguments have never been backed by facts and numbers, just conjuncture... just like the way they “buy” their movies; basing only on Conjuncture(sp?) and assumptions?

[sapiendut]

Originally Posted by flyry

Yes because taking away your content is a great business decision...

Happened multiple times at multiple digital purchase platforms already.

[flyry]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

But isn’t that typical of the streaming proponents? Their arguments have never been backed by facts and numbers, just conjuncture... just like the way they “buy” their movies; basing only on Conjuncture(sp?) and assumptions?

It is the other way around

[flyry]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

A occasional PVOD that makes money doesn't mean anyone is doing well, be it the streaming host whose really not making any money, and the studio that is seeing far less then a theater run allowing a PVOD to take place.

Pretty much everyone here that looks at streaming as dominant and forever never looks at financials.

The future of moviegoing/theaters is not looking bright. There are going to be a lot more occasional pvod titles making money. Sorry to burst your bubble.

People will then get accustomed to new ways as they did with music

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by flyry

It is the other way around

Please , I, and others, have posted sales data covering every aspect of home entertainment spending, except for video games, innumerable times.

If digital providers wanted to increase consumer confidence all that they would have to do is to guarantee their purchases for some period of time. How hard would that be if it is such a certainty that they will never, or very rarely, delete a title?

It kind of reminds me of how LG practically swears that it is nigh unto impossible to get burn-in with their OLED TVs, but yet they will not cover burn-in in their warranties. Why not, if it is oh so unlikely to happen?

My other big concern is the much higher likelihood that digital content will be adversely modified, edited, or censored for any reason from licensing problems to fits of revisionism and political correctness. When I buy a movie or a TV show I need for the version that I bought today to be the version that I have tomorrow.

Aside from this customary and never ending argument, how have you been doing? I know this has been a hard year for you, but I hope that things are improving.

[flyry]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

Trolls World Tour made $100 million from digital rentals. How would taking away purchases discourage rentals?

I'm not going to sit here and argue semantics with you when this was the first of its kind. Universal is the only Studio that was not allowing purchases for their premiums as they wanted multiple rentals since it's a kid's title. If you don't think the model is going to change going forward than you are a moron

[sapiendut]

Semantics? One is RENTAL and the discussion right now is about PURCHASE. That’s. Ot semantics, those ate two very different markets!