Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Admiral]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

If the Studio/content owner rescinds licensing of a film from iTunes, if you already downloaded it locally they can’t prevent you from playing that, but if it removed from online search for your country, then it’s no longer downloadable, it’s gone. This is like the Apple statement concerning changing countries that shows how it works.

A movie can be pulled from store front so that it's no longer listed for rent and/or for sale. This happens all the time. However, the movie if already purchased should still be available in the users library. I'm not aware of any incidences where a movie has disappeared from someone's collection.

[Lee A Stewart]

I remember the case of the DVD of LITTLE SHOP OF HORRORS - not the original one, the remake. In the special features they had an alternative ending. The DVD was yanked from stores about 3 days after it became available and was repressed without the alt. ending. I was lucky enough to buy one on day one. Sold it a year later for $200.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Admiral

A movie can be pulled from store front so that it's no longer listed for rent and/or for sale. This happens all the time. However, the movie if already purchased should still be available in the users library. I'm not aware of any incidences where a movie has disappeared from someone's collection.

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Apple Responds to the Case of the Disappearing Digital Purchases - slash film

There’s a lot to unpack in this relatively brief statement. First: “Any movies that you’ve already downloaded…will not be deleted unless you’ve chosen to do so” is a workaround that we were already made aware of — and it’s a rather impractical approach for users who have hundreds or maybe thousands of purchases in their iTunes libraries. It doesn’t respond to the biggest issue that many users are having with Apple: that their purchases could be erased from the cloud without warning.

The second part “If you change your country setting…” refers specifically to the problems of Twitter user Anders G da Silva, who first made the issue go viral with his tweet thread about losing three Apple digital purchases when he emigrated from Australia to Canada. The case of changing country IP’s is something we’re familiar with when it comes to streaming services like Netflix or Amazon — different titles are available in different countries — but not Apple. Again, users don’t expect movies that they bought with their cold, hard-earned cash to disappear once they move countries.

This is only a party moving to a different country example, but it shows one example where movies have disappeared from his collection.

[Admiral]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

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Apple Responds to the Case of the Disappearing Digital Purchases - slash film



This is only a party moving to a different country example, but it shows one example where movies have disappeared from his collection.

This is the case of the guy who changed the country of his iTunes account. If you do this then you won't be able to view the movies that are not available in that country. Once you change the country back all the movies will still be there. This guy made a big fuss about it, but in reality he lost nothing.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Admiral

This is the case of the guy who changed the country of his iTunes account. If you do this then you won't be able to view the movies that are not available in that country. Once you change the country back all the movies will still be there. This guy made a big fuss about it, but in reality he lost nothing.

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However, the movie if already purchased should still be available in the users library

As shown in the above example if it is removed from the cloud it doesn't show in their collection, never mind he got it back. In that regard if the studios rescinded their licensing deal against any film with the host, the cloud would lose it, and the user would not see it in their collection would they? I am only using this example to show its possible with iTunes to have something fall out of ones collection.

[Admiral]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

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As shown in the above example if it is removed from the cloud it doesn't show in their collection, never mind he got it back. In that regard if the studios rescinded their licensing deal against any film with the host, the cloud would lose it, and the user would not see it in their collection would they? I am only using this example to show its possible with iTunes to have something fall out of ones collection.

But I this case it wasn't removed from the cloud. I can test this by switching the country of my iTunes account on my phone. Movies not available in that country will is disappear from my library. When I switch country back they re-appear.

Again, studios rescinding rights should not impact a users collection. The movies only disappear from the store front.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Admiral

Again, studios rescinding rights should not impact a users collection. The movies only disappear from the store front.

From Apple Media Service Terms and Conditions.

All Transactions are final. Content prices may change at any time. If technical problems prevent or unreasonably delay delivery of Content, your exclusive and sole remedy is either replacement of the Content or refund of the price paid, as determined by Apple.

Apple’s delivery of Content does not transfer any commercial or promotional use rights to you, and does not constitute a grant or waiver of any rights of the copyright owners.

It is your responsibility not to lose, destroy, or damage Content once downloaded. We encourage you to back up your Content regularly.

It's safe to say that almost no one understands that when you "buy" a movie online, you are only buying the right to grab a digital copy on that day or stream it. Apple suggests that people may want to download their purchases – but it's far from clear how many people actually do. Also pay attention to the highlighted text, its clearly saying your purchase does not overstep the rights of the copyright owners. They can remove a purchase being available and Apple can't replace it they can only offer a refund. But very clearly its only a license not a tangible purchase.

[Admiral]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

From Apple Media Service Terms and Conditions.




It's safe to say that almost no one understands that when you "buy" a movie online, you are only buying the right to grab a digital copy on that day or stream it. Apple suggests that people may want to download their purchases – but it's far from clear how many people actually do. Also pay attention to the highlighted text, its clearly saying your purchase does not overstep the rights of the copyright owners. They can remove a purchase being available and Apple can't replace it they can only offer a refund. But very clearly its only a license not a tangible purchase.

I'm under no illusions about owning the digital movies in my collection. As you say Apple could one day do the unthinkable and remove a movie from my collection. In that case I would demand a refund. It's not something I will ever lose sleep over

[Admiral]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

Money isn't the biggest issue at all. Even if I received more than a full refund for a movie that was removed it wouldn't change the fact that I could never watch that movie again.

If a studio doesn't release a movie on physical media than they have full control over every copy of that movie, they can take away everyone's access to the movie simultaneously.

I agree that money is not a big issue. Most of my digital movies have cost between $3.50 - $7 USD on iTunes. The scenario you mention has never happened with any of my music or movies in the past 12 years. So I regard it as very low risk. As I said above, if it does happen in the future it's not something that's going to keep me up at night.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Admiral

I agree that money is not a big issue. Most of my digital movies have cost between $3.50 - $7 USD on iTunes. The scenario you mention has never happened with any of my music or movies in the past 12 years. So I regard it as very low risk. As I said above, if it does happen in the future it's not something that's going to keep me up at night.

So you don’t care about losing access to films you have bought?

You can’t care much about film in the first place imo. Especially when any replacement you may be able to buy will probably have been edited to appease the saddos on Twitter who constantly get offended over everything.

[CV19]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

........will probably have been edited to appease the saddos on Twitter who constantly get offended over everything..............

Yep, the same saddo snowflakes who seem to think it's their moral duty to be offended on everybody else's behalf and that it is their views alone that count.

[Admiral]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

So you don’t care about losing access to films you have bought?

You can’t care much about film in the first place imo. Especially when any replacement you may be able to buy will probably have been edited to appease the saddos on Twitter who constantly get offended over everything.

As I said in my previous reply it's not happened once in the past 12 years, so forgive me for not worrying about something that might not happen. I think it's a bit ridiculous to accuse me of not caring about film, just because I refuse to worry about the slim prospect of losing access to something that is replaceable.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by CV19

Yep, the same saddo snowflakes who seem to think it's their moral duty to be offended on everybody else's behalf and that it is their views alone that count.

Should just give them their own sub section to all get offended together and let film lovers get on with loving film uncensored.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Admiral

As I said in my previous reply it's not happened once in the past 12 years, so forgive me for not worrying about something that might not happen. I think it's a bit ridiculous to accuse me of not caring about film, just because I refuse to worry about the slim prospect of losing access to something that is replaceable.

Just because something hasn’t happened yet, doesn’t mean it won’t happen. Also, what makes you think they are replaceable? There is every chance that a certain version of a film Dioulasso be replaced with a edited version. It’s happening all the time eith subscription, it could well happen overall.

[bhampton]

Hey,

tl:dr - I have a new HT setup with out a streaming box.

Due to a combination of several reasons I'm trying a new setup where streaming has been removed from my home theater.

Why? (because this sounds crazy and surely I'll change my mind)... Ok there's reasons for this...

1- UHD BD is the ultimate software for my home theater. It's the top quality followed by up-converted Blu Ray. Better ingredients, Better Pizza.

2- Lately, I've been using the theater more than ever sometimes watching multiple movies in a single day and in the meantime my kids have classes and exams on the internet and I know I'm not interfering with that by sharing bandwidth.

3- I stopped buying streaming content a while back so most of what I have I have on disc and if I do have something on iTunes that I don't have on disc I want to get the disc while it's still available.

4- Having the UHD BD player as the only source in my current setup means I run the Video Out HDMI directly to the projector without any switcher or any intermediate connectors.... With my current gear this works best and this is really the main reason I'm changing the setup. Projectors can be finicky about HDMI handshake so direct connection works best.

The streaming stuff I can watch literally anywhere and that's like my plan B. I have a few TVs in the house so I can stream on those. I can DL iTunes to my iPad and watch when I'm at the DMV or on an airplane or when I'm anywhere I don't want to be. Thankfully, that happens a lot less these days.




-Brian

[Admiral]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Just because something hasn’t happened yet, doesn’t mean it won’t happen.

You could say this about absolutely anything

[Admiral]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Also, what makes you think they are replaceable? There is every chance that a certain version of a film Dioulasso be replaced with a edited version. It’s happening all the time eith subscription, it could well happen overall.

Again, there's every chance this may not happen. I'm sure I'll find a way to cope if it does

[Admiral]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

If the studios remove something from digital stores they will remove it from all digital stores. You won't be able to buy another digital copy.

The only way to replace it will be to buy a physical copy. But less support for physical media means less titles available on physical media and therefore more titles that can be lost completely.

Studios do remove movies from sale on the iTunes store front. They don't remove access from those who have purchased the movie.

[bhampton]

iTunes is so far the best bet I think in terms of Digital store.

I remember Vudu being even better about never losing any content but now it's been sold and it's maybe going to be somehow different.

Some of my movies aren't on the iTunes store but I still have access to them in my library. Amelie for example. I think early Marvel movies (Iron Man, Thor, Captain America) disappeared and reappeared from my actual library but the 3 I"m taking about I just rebought them and that solved it. Some of my iTunes movies are on the store but the iTunes Store doesn't realize I have them in my iTunes library and this annoys me. . Valerian is an example. See attached pic. iTunes wants me to buy or rent this even though I have purchased it in iTunes directly and it's still in the library with extras and 4K for now.

At one point I had to decide where to redeem codes first between iTunes and Vudu and I went with iTunes thank goodness. Maybe I already had an ATV4K at the time.

My iTunes library is the only online movies I care about these days. I'll read about what happens with Vudu and I hope for the best for users now that it's been sold. I don't buy iTunes content anymore or other streaming content but I subscribe to iTunes music. I suppose MoviesAnywhere is also compelling and I wonder which between those two will be better in time. MA has Di$ney4K s without having to pay for the D+.

[Lee A Stewart]

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