Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[cheez avenger]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

Demand for Drive-in Movie Theaters Surge in Texas, New Jersey - BREITBART - 5/21/20

And it's a link from Breitbart. No thanks.

As far as the notion of a drive-in theater -- nah. I never got the attraction of them. Yes, I know it's for couples to have sex and not watch the film, but even then. All the drive-ins around here that ever existed have been closed down. Swapmeets used to sprout up in their place.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

All of our physical media would continue to work perfectly without internet access.

I just look on that argument as silly. No one wants to be totally isolated while there is some power grid outage where you can't monitor whats wrong. The time that you do have a normal power outage for a hour or two, you might watch one or two films, but I can do that on a iPad using its battery for several hours without the expenditure of a solar and backup battery. If anything just get out of the house and enjoy the day. If its happening at night go to bed!

[bhampton]

I'm not going to a drive in.

I don't care what current events are.

A large outdoor theater would be ok.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

And it's a link from Breitbart. No thanks.

As far as the notion of a drive-in theater -- nah. I never got the attraction of them. Yes, I know it's for couples to have sex and not watch the film, but even then. All the drive-ins around here that ever existed have been closed down. Swapmeets used to sprout up in their place.

There is a surge of getting drive in's operational or creating new ones right now. Read the news. Sorry the girls are wise to you now!

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Thanks. So you feel battery packs in the home with solar and going off the grid is a viable option?

not sure what you mean by viable option.

Is that option working for the guy I know and was it a good choice. I will have to say yes so in that sense it is a viable option.

am I prepared to do that with my house in the suburbs where it is already connected to a grid that is ~100% environmentally friendly and offers real cheap electricity? No I don't see an advantage to that so in that respect it is not a viable solution

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by bhampton

I'm not going to a drive in.

I don't care what current events are.

A large outdoor theater would be ok.

You can't have social distancing in a large outdoor theater thats the problem until we go another month or more. Its not rain proof either.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

You may not care if you can play your movies at all times but it's a definite disadvantage of streaming.

Playing movies via physical media only requires electricity. Playing movies via streaming requires electricity, internet access, and access to the specific service that is storing your movies.

Each has pros and cons, but if the power goes out I rely on neither. A few HD films can be downloaded to a laptop or tablet to use to pass some time with. You can extend either with a small UPS for several hours, if not the rest of the day.

Just maintain a good book collection as a backup also.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

I just look on that argument as silly. No one wants to be totally isolated while there is some power grid outage where you can't monitor whats wrong. The time that you do have a normal power outage for a hour or two, you might watch one or two films, but I can do that on a iPad using its battery for several hours without the expenditure of a solar and backup battery. If anything just get out of the house and enjoy the day. If its happening at night go to bed!

1) don't know about where you live but I have never lost power on the types of days where it makes sense to go outside. The grid here is aerial so usually when it happens it is due to a large storm, I know in some areas it is subterranean and then you lose power when some idiot dug in the wrong place and that is most likely to happen on the type of days when it is nice

2) you live in a nice warm place, not everyone else is in that boat. Where I live it gets real cold in the winter, in a few hours the house can become uncomfortably cold, in a day or two water can freeze and brake pipes (so you want to make sure toilets and pipes are completely empty before that). Homes here need heating and heating needs electricity. That is why I have a backup generator.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

1) don't know about where you live but I have never lost power on the types of days where it makes sense to go outside. The grid here is aerial so usually when it happens it is due to a large storm, I know in some areas it is subterranean and then you lose power when some idiot dug in the wrong place and that is most likely to happen on the type of days when it is nice

my avatar says sf Bay Area (San Francisco Bay Area), think of it as a southern version of Vancouver, just a lot easier to live year around.

Originally Posted by Anthony P

2) you live in a nice warm place, not everyone else is in that boat. Where I live it gets real cold in the winter, in a few hours the house can become uncomfortably cold, in a day or two water can freeze and brake pipes (so you want to make sure toilets and pipes are completely empty before that). Homes here need heating and heating needs electricity. That is why I have a backup generator.

Just a FYI I am very familiar with that environment as I visit friends. Visited the Canadian prairies lots and other areas. At times the only thing available is skidooing to go to town in some locations.
Cheers

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

^ Thats the same ugly setup of the house I was discussing before from Tesla. The roof runs about $60,000. Its not walkable, they had to be very careful in the installation. The battery on the side will maintain some continued operation. But none of this does anything with commercial power grid taking down all internet access or even cell towers after so much time.



The roof is flat and looks like plastic closer up, its IMHO rather not attractive at all. see spoiler

[Show spoiler]

So it’s pointless in other words. If the future renewable energy grid has black outs, so does the solar powered, off grid home?

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

So it’s pointless in other words. If the future renewable energy grid has black outs, so does the solar powered, off grid home?

Yes, your fears are indeed pointless. I am so glad that you have had a moment of clarity.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

not sure what you mean by viable option.

Is that option working for the guy I know and was it a good choice. I will have to say yes so in that sense it is a viable option.

am I prepared to do that with my house in the suburbs where it is already connected to a grid that is ~100% environmentally friendly and offers real cheap electricity? No I don't see an advantage to that so in that respect it is not a viable solution

You are using individual examples though. As renewables become mainstream and power the majority of cities and towns, that’s where the battery storage capacity comes in. Most people won’t be living off the grid. That’s where the problems lie (lack of suitable storage)

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

You are using individual examples though. As renewables become mainstream and power the majority of cities and towns, that’s where the battery storage capacity comes in. Most people won’t be living off the grid. That’s where the problems lie (lack of suitable storage)

So was JohnAV's, but his "individual example" feeds your fears, so you latched onto it in an instant.

Anthony P stated that his entire region (Quebec) is powered over 99% by renewable energy and his region happens to include Montreal. Entire provinces, not one individual, all getting their power almost entirely from renewable energy and of course you ignore that fact because it does not support your position.

Originally Posted by Anthony P

So 100% of my electricity came from "renewable" sources. And Quebec is not the only place where it is almost all renewable. I know it is not true for many out there and for most of the world, but there are a lot of places where almost 100% comes from "renewable" sources. Quebec is over 99% so is Manitoba, BC is over 98% and NL is over 95% just to name a few provinces here. and no one had to sacrifice anything.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

As far as the notion of a drive-in theater -- nah. I never got the attraction of them. Yes, I know it's for couples to have sex and not watch the film, but even then. All the drive-ins around here that ever existed have been closed down. Swapmeets used to sprout up in their place.

Drive-ins were popular with families too. They were cheap, you didn't have to worry about the kids bothering anybody else and they were cheap.

It's definitely a different mindset but taken on their own terms they could be a lot of fun. I wouldn't want to watch a first run blockbuster through windshield wipers with rain beating down on the car but The War of the Gargantuas?

Oh hell yes

[Steedeel]

I once got stranded at a drive in.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I once got stranded at a drive in.

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[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

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That’s the one!

[stonesfan129]

Did anyone notice this lately? - https://www.slashfilm.com/amazon-sued-purchased-movies/

I kind of agree. "Purchase" implies ownership. But I feel like Amazon can just say "oh well the movie companies placed these restrictions upon us, not our fault." That and when you click the "Purchase" button, the T&C say that you don't really own it.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by stonesfan129

Did anyone notice this lately? - https://www.slashfilm.com/amazon-sued-purchased-movies/

I kind of agree. "Purchase" implies ownership. But I feel like Amazon can just say "oh well the movie companies placed these restrictions upon us, not our fault." That and when you click the "Purchase" button, the T&C say that you don't really own it.

Ownership ends with disc for me. Digital HD is a shit storm.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by stonesfan129

Did anyone notice this lately? - https://www.slashfilm.com/amazon-sued-purchased-movies/

I kind of agree. "Purchase" implies ownership. But I feel like Amazon can just say "oh well the movie companies placed these restrictions upon us, not our fault." That and when you click the "Purchase" button, the T&C say that you don't really own it.

As one person replied about this news.

With digital downloads, companies have long tried to redefine what a purchase is, whether its a book, game, or movie. If you don’t own it and can’t transfer it to any device you want, you don’t “own” it, its just a license.

But even if you bought physical media that isn't tethered to a internet based host you still are not a owner only a licensed user* still. But you can use it on multiple players and it is fully transportable which streaming can't provide. You can also sell the media where streaming has zero value.

* When consumers buy a DVD or Blu-ray disc, they are not purchasing the motion picture itself, rather they are purchasing access to the motion picture which affords only the right to access the work according to the format’s particular specifications (i.e., through the use of a DVD player), or the Blu-ray Disc format specifications (i.e., through the use of a Blu-ray format player). Consumers are able to purchase the copy at its retail price because it is distributed on a specific medium that will play back on only a licensed player.