Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

So it’s pointless in other words. If the future renewable energy grid has black outs, so does the solar powered, off grid home?

I asked to myself the same thing. But thinking about it and reading his next post I think what he was trying to convey was that if the power outage takes down your ISP's ability to connect you to the internet you won't be able to stream your films. and not that you won't have electricity in your home.

[Boccaccio]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

I never said the city of San Francisco, which like any older city has homeless in some parts, the bulk of the San Francisco Bay Area is very expensive to live in and residential. This is also where Silicon Valley is located with thousands of tech companies. We have everything from vast winery’s to magnificent redwoods which if all you did was fly into older SF and that is you impression, that’s unfortunate.

We drove in from LA and it were the last days of our vacation so we just visited the things on our definitive to do list.
Golden Gate Bridge, Fisherman's wharf, Alcatraz and that very steep street ( I forget the name ).
If we had more time we would have definitely explored more but sadly that was not the case.
But we already decided to go back someday and do more of the northern part of California.

[Eschenpod]

Lombard Street.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

I asked to myself the same thing. But thinking about it and reading his next post I think what he was trying to convey was that if the power outage takes down your ISP's ability to connect you to the internet you won't be able to stream your films. and not that you won't have electricity in your home.

Yeah, it would mean relying on pre downloading digital entertainment I guess. I suppose downloads would hsve to make a big comeback. 5G would probably be established so quicker download times. That’s a lot of people doing the same things though.

I would be ok with disks I guess.

It’s a shitstorm all this renewable energy stuff.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Boccaccio

We drove in from LA and it were the last days of our vacation so we just visited the things on our definitive to do list.
Golden Gate Bridge, Fisherman's wharf, Alcatraz and that very steep street ( I forget the name ).
If we had more time we would have definitely explored more but sadly that was not the case.
But we already decided to go back someday and do more of the northern part of California.

This is one of the building marvels in the SF South Bay. (Cupertino, bordering Sunnyvale and Santa Clara). It is a good example of maintaining green building with housing close by.

APPLE PARK - The Spaceship - YouTube

Yes Steedeel that is more solar panels on this huge building than anyplace else.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

This over emphasis of utilizing Dolby Atmos for immersive audio effects experience has butchered audio accuracy hasn’t it?

I suppose that will have to be answered by each listener, for me, a lot of movies do not use Dolby Atmos (or DTS:X) to near the extent they should. Example, the first Fantastic Beasts had a really good immersive audio track, the second one, not so much. And the one that really irks me, titles that have immersive audio on the BD or UHD BD but 5.1 or 7.1 on the 3-D version.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

You are using individual examples though. As renewables become mainstream and power the majority of cities and towns, that’s where the battery storage capacity comes in. Most people won’t be living off the grid. That’s where the problems lie (lack of suitable storage)

I went with examples because I was trying to understand what you meant by viable.

do I think it makes sense that we get rid of an electrical grid and each place becomes responsible for their own electricity? absolutely not it is not efficient. But sometimes, it is a good solution that can be viable.

do I think it makes sense for a whole grid to be nothing but solar and batteries? no, there are too many environmentally friendly ways to make electricity that we don't need to limit ourselves to just one and batteries are not the only way to store energy, look at pumped hydro, some of the electricity in the UK is generated that way explanation

[Show spoiler]like normal hydro electricity falling/flowing down hill from an upper reservoir turns a turbine that produces electricity. In pumped hydro when electricity is cheap and not needed it is used to run the turbine backwards and "pump" the water back up to the upper reservoir.

lastly not solar but wind and a huge battery https://hornsdalepowerreserve.com.au/

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

I went with examples because I was trying to understand what you meant by viable.

do I think it makes sense that we get rid of an electrical grid and each place becomes responsible for their own electricity? absolutely not it is not efficient. But sometimes, it is a good solution that can be viable.

do I think it makes sense for a whole grid to be nothing but solar and batteries? no, there are too many environmentally friendly ways to make electricity that we don't need to limit ourselves to just one and batteries are not the only way to store energy, look at pumped hydro, some of the electricity in the UK is generated that way explanation

[Show spoiler]like normal hydro electricity falling/flowing down hill from an upper reservoir turns a turbine that produces electricity. In pumped hydro when electricity is cheap and not needed it is used to run the turbine backwards and "pump" the water back up to the upper reservoir.

lastly not solar but wind and a huge battery https://hornsdalepowerreserve.com.au/

Thanks. So you reckon maintaining electricity when the sun goes down is doable with all renewable energy? In a 10-15 year timeline say?

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Thanks. So you reckon maintaining electricity when the sun goes down is doable with all renewable energy? In a 10-15 year timeline say?

Why don't you relocate to the arctic circle so you can find out? May I suggest Tromsø, Norway.

Norway, 98 percent of the electricity production come from renewable energy sources. Hydropower is the source of most of the production.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

I never said the city of San Francisco, which like any older city has homeless in some parts, the bulk of the San Francisco Bay Area is very expensive to live in and residential. This is also where Silicon Valley is located with thousands of tech companies. We have everything from vast winery’s to magnificent redwoods which if all you did was fly into older SF and that is you impression, that’s unfortunate.

I love San Francisco, I think it's a beautiful city, we still go back there every year around Christmas time to meet friends. I grew up in LA, but moved to the Bay Area in 1972 to attend San Jose State. Working for Pacific Bell I worked my way up into Management, and had homes in San Jose and Fremont. Had offices in San Jose, Oakland, and San Francisco. I rode and used BART (Bay Area Rapid Transit) all over the Bay Area, I still use it when I fly into SFO. I have lots of good memories of The Bay Area!

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Thanks. So you reckon maintaining electricity when the sun goes down is doable with all renewable energy? In a 10-15 year timeline say?

Fossil fuels have their benefits (easy to transport, cheap to build power plants, easy to ramp up and down to meet ever changing demand) so if you are asking if I think in 10-15 years 100% of all electricity everywhere on the planet will be green the answer is NO. I am no where near that optimistic. There is way too much vested interest in polluting.

If you are asking if it will be possible that a particular place (home, town, city, electric utility...)

the answer is technologicaly yes, like I said earlier and Vilya highlighted that is the situation I am living in.


HQs main grid only has one plant that uses fossil fuel (there are some other plants on their own micro grids that use fossil fuels). Last year (2019) that plant was not used/needed, in 2018 it was used for 1h and produced 100 MW of power. Some places are 100% and others over 95% green already , posted some Canadian places the last criteria earlier on

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

This is one of the building marvels in the SF South Bay.

In the 70's I spent 3 weeks in Redwood City attending Ampex tech school on the Ampex AVR-1. During this time I got to tour a good part of northern CA. Ampex was the dominate maker of professional video and audio recorders for many years. Last year we finally made it to LA, Sequoia and Yosemite.

[JohnAV]

Just a good video to take in with music. Perhaps for the people that visits it returns good memories.

YouTube

4K drone & time lapse: San Francisco, California tours in Silicon Valley, Alcatraz Island and more.

[gotmule]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

This over emphasis of utilizing Dolby Atmos for immersive audio effects experience has butchered audio accuracy hasn’t it?

Not quite sure if you are being serious with that statement.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by gotmule

Not quite sure if you are being serious with that statement.

I observed some discussing how LFE was rolled off like in the War of the Worlds Dolby Atmos track versus the previous DTS-HD-MA BD track. Seen other examples online, so was popping the question whether the Atmos audio was changed to accent immersive effects rather then audio accuracy when recreating the sound field. People with better setups then mine could answer that.

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[gotmule]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

I observed some discussing how LFE was rolled off like in the War of the Worlds Dolby Atmos track versus the previous DTS-HD-MA BD track. Seen other examples online, so was popping the question whether the Atmos audio was changed to accent immersive effects rather then audio accuracy when recreating the sound field. People with better setups then mine could answer that.

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Gotcha. The subject has certainly come up on several other threads, but I rarely jump into the debate. I will say though that for every movie where people complain about system threatening bass going away like on the War of the Worlds 4K, I can name another movie where they remixed for Atmos or DTS X, and got it right. You can still have an accurate mix regardless of it being Atmos or not. With War of the Worlds, the Atmos mix is effective from a spatial awareness and imaging standpoint, plus it is still a dynamic mix with no volume issues. It just doesn’t dig as deep as it used to with sub 30hz frequencies. Everything above 30 is definitely still there though.

[Lee A Stewart]

HBO Max unveils launch line-up of over 600 movies

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.ph...&id=1590146462

At this time, HBO Max will not work on any Amazon device or Roku device.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

HBO Max unveils launch line-up of over 600 movies

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.ph...&id=1590146462

At this time, HBO Max will not work on any Amazon device or Roku device.

No Amazon stick or Roku? Good luck with that!

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

HBO Max unveils launch line-up of over 600 movies

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.ph...&id=1590146462

At this time, HBO Max will not work on any Amazon device or Roku device.

No 4k support. Can't blame that on the app either.

Unlike Apple TV+ and Disney+, HBO Max has not announced plans to make content available in 4K HDR or Dolby Atmos. HBO Now is currently offering content in low-bitrate 1080p HD quality.

[Lee A Stewart]

There is a work around for Roku . . . if you have Hulu you can get HBO Max