Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Steven101]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

It was an extreme example but the point is they could easily drop thousands of titles and most people would barely be affected. There are thousands of new titles released every year; most people wouldn't notice if thousands of unpopular titles from over a decade ago disappeared.



That's not much of a solution. Getting my money back would not be adequate compensation for never being able to watch the movies that were removed ever again.

Once again, that's where we differ. As I get older I find that I no longer worry about that. The future is streaming services, that's where the market is heading. If I lost my digital library and I was compensated, that's fine with me. I would sub to Disney+ (as I do now) and Netflix and I would have more to watch than I could ever get through. Anyway as I said, Coffee, going cold...

[Boccaccio]

Originally Posted by Steven101

Once again, that's where we differ. As I get older I find that I no longer worry about that. The future is streaming services, that's where the market is heading. If I lost my digital library and I was compensated, that's fine with me. I would sub to Disney+ (as I do now) and Netflix and I would have more to watch than I could ever get through. Anyway as I said, Coffee, going cold...

Well, I hope for you that those streaming services become profitable one day.

If not, I'm not really sure if that is the future.

[Steven101]

Originally Posted by Boccaccio

Well, I hope for you that those streaming services become profitable one day.

If not, I'm not really sure if that is the future.

You guys are passionate, i'll give you that. You can't realistically think that Netflix, Apple, Amazon or Disney are gonna go away anytime soon? Or at all. Someone posted a graph on this thread (a while ago, when I was lurking, before I joined) and it showed that most people have streaming services only and they no longer buy films at all. We are in the minority.

Disney will make a profit in 3 - 4 years and then will never look back, with their + numbers growing all the time. Apple has more money than sense lol. Amazon must be in profit, they're worth nearly a trillion dollars. Netflix could be in profit (within a few years) if they stop spending stupid money.

Damn, my coffee got cold

[Steven101]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

Amazon Prime is a loss leader. It brings people to the site and they end up buying other things.

"it’s hard to say exactly how much the company makes off the streaming service. However, Amazon recently projected its Prime Video sales will reach $1.7 billion in 2019."

"With analysts predicting it will bring in $3.6 billion in sales in 2020, more than double of this year’s, Prime Video’s explosive growth is evident."

So, no one knows... only Amazon.

http://www.mazsystems.com/amazon-pri...eo-make-money/

[Steven101]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

I always thought that a site like Blu-ray.com would be full of movie enthusiasts but I keep finding more and more members who don't really care about movies much.

I love movies, probably too much, but there are other things to do. Okay, I think I'm gonna go back to the digital section now. Enjoy

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by Steven101

You guys are passionate, i'll give you that. You can't realistically think that Netflix, Apple, Amazon or Disney are gonna go away anytime soon? )

Right. Vudu is owned by Walmart and they aren't going anywhere.

MoviesAnywhere is the third attempt from Disney at a service like this, they aren't going anywhere.

Ultraviolet has several studio backers, they aren't going anywhere.

CinemaNow is run by Best Buy, they aren't going anywhere.

Target Ticket is run by Target, They aren't going anywhere.

[Boccaccio]

Originally Posted by Steven101

You guys are passionate, i'll give you that. You can't realistically think that Netflix, Apple, Amazon or Disney are gonna go away anytime soon? Or at all. Someone posted a graph on this thread (a while ago, when I was lurking, before I joined) and it showed that most people have streaming services only and they no longer buy films at all. We are in the minority.

Disney will make a profit in 3 - 4 years and then will never look back, with their + numbers growing all the time. Apple has more money than sense lol. Amazon must be in profit, they're worth nearly a trillion dollars. Netflix could be in profit (within a few years) if they stop spending stupid money.

Damn, my coffee got cold

The streaming services of Apple and Amazon are just a small part of that company. If there's not enough money to be made anymore in it I can see them ditching it just like that.

Disney will have to raise their prices to be profitable. I also can't see them ditching physical. They're just too greedy.

Netflix, well, we'll see how that goes. They can't keep working in those red numbers forever.

[Steven101]

Originally Posted by bhampton

Right. Vudu is owned by Walmart and they aren't going anywhere.

Ultraviolet has several studio backers, they aren't going anywhere.

CinemaNow is run by Best Buy, they aren't going anywhere.

Target Ticket is run by Target, They aren't going anywhere.

We could go on forever with this guys, seriously, but I'd rather not. None of those companies are in the same league. Sainsburys is a large supermarket in the UK but they got out of the game, precisely because they couldn't compete with Amazon or Netflix. Good decision, now that Disney and Apple are here.

The main four aren't going anywhere, in fact Apple has started to buy up content from the studios for AppleTV+

[Steven101]

Originally Posted by Boccaccio

The streaming services of Apple and Amazon are just a small part of that company. If there's not enough money to be made anymore in it I can see them ditching it just like that.

Disney will have to raise their prices to be profitable. I also can't see them ditching physical. They're just too greedy.

Netflix, well, we'll see how that goes. They can't keep working in those red numbers forever.

Netflix has today an estimated net worth of astonishing $125 billion. They're not going anywhere. Disney will raise their prices in line with the other streaming services which is fine. Amazon Prime (see the article I posted above) is a huge part of their business and like the article says, they're not gonna drop it, ever. Apple is investing huge money into AppleTV+, including buying up other studio content, it's here to stay.

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by Steven101

Netflix has today an estimated net worth of astonishing $125 billion.

I don't feel bad about having 2 working passwords. Sounds like they have more money than I do.

I did buy Stranger Things Season 1 and 2 so far on UHD BD so I'm happy to support them for releasing those.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Steven101

We could go on forever with this guys, seriously, but I'd rather not. None of those companies are in the same league. Sainsburys is a large supermarket in the UK but they got out of the game, precisely because they couldn't compete with Amazon or Netflix. Good decision, now that Disney and Apple are here.

The main four aren't going anywhere, in fact Apple has started to buy up content from the studios for AppleTV+

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

Movie purchases have always been a niche market, regardless of the format. The dominant form of home entertainment has always been subscriptions. Cable and satellite are still the most popular and most profitable form of subscriptions (by far) but digital subscriptions are increasing in popularity.



It's pretty obvious that this whole thread is about arguing which niche market is better. If the studios didn't support niche markets then DVD, Blu-ray, iTunes, Amazon Video, and Vudu would all be long gone.

Most people don't care about buying movies in any format. They just want lots of content for a low price.

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Nothing has changed. It's all just pay TV. HBO, Showtime and others have produced their own series and movies for many years.

I believe most here now understand physical ≠ SVOD, physical = EST. I have posted this several times.

≠ means “not equal”
= means “equal”

SVOD is just another form of pay TV. So add the orange to the blue and you will see ownership has/is/most likely continue to be a small part of home entertainment revenue.

With physical it has/is/most likely continue to be a way of high profile marketing in box stores and online.

One last thing for you from Blu-ray.COM rules:

If your only purpose on this forum is to question Blu-ray as a format and bringing negativity to the forum, then you are not welcome.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Steven101

When Sainsburys stopped offering digital titles in the UK, they refunded everyone.

There's no way the studios would drop 50%, it would make headlines around the world. If they stopped selling digital titles, titles would still be available to watch. If they closed up shop (say Amazon decided to move to Prime only), they would likely refund everyone or offer an alternative. People would never trust the studios again if they pulled that. It would trend on twitter, there would be a mass boycott. It's extremely unlikely.

Many thousands lost their UV titles when it closed and titles were moved over from Flixster to Google Play.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

SVOD is just another form of pay TV. So add the orange to the blue and you will see ownership has/is/most likely continue to be a small part of home entertainment revenue.

With physical it has/is/most likely continue to be a way of high profile marketing in box stores and online.

One last thing for you from Blu-ray.COM rules:

We seem to have had a few members in here who don’t care about their content or Blu-ray. I hope this guy doesn’t befall the same banned fate as our old friend SCLee.

[Boccaccio]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

We seem to have had a few members in here who don’t care about their content or Blu-ray. I hope this guy doesn’t befall the same banned fate as our old friend SCLee.

It always amazes me when people say they wouldn't care if they a lost a few movies.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Boccaccio

It always amazes me when people say they wouldn't care if they a lost a few movies.

I work hard to have the luxury of buying batches of Blu-rays/UHD. I would be gutted if I didn’t have access to said content at a later date. Just being in the mood for a particular movie and grabbing it from my shelves.

[Steven101]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

SVOD is just another form of pay TV. So add the orange to the blue and you will see ownership has/is/most likely continue to be a small part of home entertainment revenue.

With physical it has/is/most likely continue to be a way of high profile marketing in box stores and online.

One last thing for you from Blu-ray.COM rules:

You haven't said anything that I didn't already say. The graph shows that digital subscriptions are higher than owning films in any way.

RE: the Rules. This is a digital vs physical media thread. I haven't broken any rules.

[Steven101]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

We seem to have had a few members in here who don’t care about their content or Blu-ray. I hope this guy doesn’t befall the same banned fate as our old friend SCLee.

If you get banned for debating film and questioning a dying format, then so be it. Blu ray.com has a digital forum and this is a digital thread (as much as physical.) Look at the graph, digital and physical purchases are about the same, yet digital has been around for a fraction of the time.

[Steven101]

Originally Posted by Boccaccio

It always amazes me when people say they wouldn't care if they a lost a few movies.

I wouldn't. I have more than enough to watch and no offence but there are more important things to worry about. And once again, I've never lost a film digitally in four years. I can see that this is already going in circles and so I will head back to the digital section of the forum.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Steven101

You haven't said anything that I didn't already say. The graph shows that digital subscriptions are higher than owning films in any way.

RE: the Rules. This is a digital vs physical media thread. I haven't broken any rules.

That remains to be seen doesn’t it?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Steven101

I wouldn't. I have more than enough to watch and no offence but there are more important things to worry about. And once again, I've never lost a film digitally in four years. I can see that this is already going in circles and so I will head back to the digital section of the forum.

We need to get a life don’t we Stephen?