The Official Paradigm Speakers Thread

[lucv13]

Originally Posted by Ryan Peddle

I will say this when it comes to powering the Studio100s. Bi-amping make even more difference.

When I originally went from my Pioneer Elite VSX03 and added the NAD M25 (160w into the 100s, and probably more like 220 non NAD ratings) it was a big difference. But when I decided to use two channels to power them, 320w in the 100s, the high frequency opened up so much more. Just utterly transparent on the top end. Getting the tweeter away from the midrange and woofers makes a big difference.

Bi-amp where you can people.

Similar experience with my Studio 60's when I added a Rotel 160w noticed a huge difference to the quality of sound, then when I added the 2nd Rotel (one for each speaker) while there was a difference it was not as noticeable as when I added the first powering both speakers...

[callas01]

Originally Posted by Ryan Peddle

Ya, everybody is Emo crazy. Yes my amp cost much more than probably the best Emo amp, but I will put it up against pretty much anything out there and am confident that the sound quality is up there with the absolute best.

It's funny that outlaw used to be the EMO of the early 2000s, and now people have just "heard" about them. Price is price and we live in a time that it is the most important thing. Soon, another company will show up and beat out the Emo pricing, and people will be say, "I've heard of Emo".

Id take your M25 over any Emo.... JMO.

[rock, stone]

Originally Posted by callas01

Id take your M25 over any Emo.... JMO.

Sure you would, you could buy 5 upa 7's for its pricetag. It had better sound impressive.

[mj3k]

Hey Ryan, if you have a amp that throw's more wattage than rec.'s there's no need to bi-amp right..I'm throwing 250 at the Digm-100's and 690 from my 3-channel amp..

[Unobtainium]

Originally Posted by mj3k

Hey Ryan, if you have a amp that throw's more wattage than rec.'s there's no need to bi-amp right..I'm throwing 250 at the Digm-100's and 690 from my 3-channel amp..

I'm still trying to get my head around how bi-amping (passive) is going to yield little result. More reading. Stil going to do it.

[Fors*]

Originally Posted by Unobtainium

I'm still trying to get my head around how bi-amping (passive) is going to yield little result. More reading. Stil going to do it.

The only thing that matters with bi-amping, what type of amp, etc....is how it sounds to your ears. Regardless of any recommendations or emphasis on what you should do or not do, just do exactly what sounds good to your ears, period.

[-DLS-]

Originally Posted by JasonR

Funny the people that would take this/that over an Emo amp, have never heard an Emo amp.

Elitism at its best.

I never take away anything from any brand I have NEVER heard.

LOL.. I could be wrong I'm guessing he hasn't heard the M25 either. I've seen the same happen with speakers stating that the same priced Focals sounded better than the same priced Paradigms. Then when I asked which Focals he compared he retracted his statement saying he never heard the Focals yet.. Same thing with the Energy RC's.. I don't think he's heard them yet.. Maybe recently..

But he has has stated he has more experience than most and read somewhere that Emo amps sound bright.. and has helped a lot of members though so he must know what he's talking about.

I would also never take away from a brand I've NEVER heard.. Or recommend something that I've never heard and tell someone it sounds better because someone told me.. or I read online.. or cuz I read a good review in hometheater mag that it sounds good! Just saying.

Nvm on topic If there was a NAD amp for $500(what I paid for my XPA-3) I would definitely consider it.

[LOTR07]

With my current set up what would be the best match for side surrounds........ADP-390 or ADP-590.....fronts are SA-35 in walls, center is CC-390 and the back surrounds are SA-25 inwalls....what do you guys think......

[aces high]

Originally Posted by Ryan Peddle

Ya, everybody is Emo crazy. Yes my amp cost much more than probably the best Emo amp, but I will put it up against pretty much anything out there and am confident that the sound quality is up there with the absolute best.

It's funny that outlaw used to be the EMO of the early 2000s, and now people have just "heard" about them. Price is price and we live in a time that it is the most important thing. Soon, another company will show up and beat out the Emo pricing, and people will be say, "I've heard of Emo".

Your amp is more costly than Emo but you didn't pay anywhere near what I would for your NAD. I know that it's still not cheap for you but if I could get 40-50% off of an M25 it would make the cost much easier on the wallet. It wasn't even that long ago that Paradigm was seen as bigger value brand that it is now, I remember when I bought my Monitor 9 v6 I paid $700 for them and was surprised to see they now list for around $1100.

[callas01]

Originally Posted by -DLS-

LOL.. I could be wrong I'm guessing he hasn't heard the M25 either. I've seen the same happen with speakers stating that the same priced Focals sounded better than the same priced Paradigms. Then when I asked which Focals he compared he retracted his statement saying he never heard the Focals yet.. Same thing with the Energy RC's.. I don't think he's heard them yet.. Maybe recently..

But he has has stated he has more experience than most and read somewhere that Emo amps sound bright.. and has helped a lot of members though so he must know what he's talking about.

I would also never take away from a brand I've NEVER heard.. Or recommend something that I've never heard and tell someone it sounds better because someone told me.. or I read online.. or cuz I read a good review in hometheater mag that it sounds good! Just saying.

Nvm on topic If there was a NAD amp for $500(what I paid for my XPA-3) I would definitely consider it.

honestly I just wanted to pick a fight.... because I think its BS that you made the forgone conclusion that Emo would best the Outlaw(at least it won't weigh/cost much to ship the loser back; or whatever the phuc you said) and then you say this "I would also never take away from a brand I've NEVER heard" and you haven't even heard an Outlaw product period. But you did take away from something you've never heard. So how can you say you'd like the Emo more? Were you fortunate enough to hear the Emo before you bought it, up there in Canada?

Now I have never heard outlaw either, I was simply making a suggestion for someone to consider given the fact that options are a nice thing to have. Plus they are small, and easily stackable with the benefits of a Monoblock. I didn't say Id take the Outlaw over the Emo, I said Id take an NAD product over Emo. I have heard lots of NAD products(I have a dealer near me) and one of which was from the Masters series, I believe it was their IA, connected to amp, idk, I have heard the 747, 765 and 785 avrs, a CD player, don't know which one.

But what pisses me off the most is that, the mear suggestion of an Amp that isn't Emo is immediately dismissed and treated as heresy, like theyre the only thing anyone on this site is allowed to recommend or purchase. The fanboi'sm is like a f-ing desease. Im sure they make a nice product, but just because it has Emo on the front plate doesn't make it the only thing we can offer up for suggestion. Doesn't automatically mean its better then this or that product either. Of course we all like what we have, and that is great. Ill openly admit that I also can be a fanboi of some of the items I have/had. But I have been trying to keep it in perspective lately. And unless I really think something is an inferior product, I try not to let people consider all option they are presented with. Maybe the Emo club can do the same.

[LOTR07]

I thought this was the Paradigm SPeaker Thread........

[Fors*]

Originally Posted by LOTR07

I thought this was the Paradigm SPeaker Thread........

Yes, it is.......and lets try to keep it this way please. Civility breeds better discussion and acceptance of point of views, so lets keep this in mind. Finally, lets not get into a big discussion about what amp is better than another.....that is a long, beaten path that only leads to a fiery death, and sometimes with consequence.

[-DLS-]

callas I think you need to re-read my post. I said the "monos" would be cheaper to send back so what ever the "loser" is wether it be the outlaw or the Emo it would be cheaper to send back. The OP did say he was thinking of going with UPA-1's. I also stated that the outlaw probably is a good product but I never heard it and suggested to try it if they had a return policy like Emotiva does. Lol relax man. I got the Emotiva sent to Canada with a 45 day return policy - at the time I had a $50 credit with UPS so I wouldnt lose much if anything. I ended up keeping it obviously cuz it did more than I was expecting. I'm not an Emo fan boy I've had one Emo amp for two years and I don't visit the Emo forums that often so don't know where u get that idea. I didn't take anything away from outlaw either I suggested why not try it like you recommended if they had a return policy like Emotiva does. All my gear that I've bought(receiver, amp, subs...TV + all speakers except the Studio 100's and CC-690) had at least a 30 day return policy. The Studio 100's I heard enough times before deciding to buy them.

Funny you can make that statement so easily about Emotiva in general when I still wonder what the difference would be between the UPA-1 or XPA-2 vs my XPA-3... or even the Paradigm SE' and Sigs vs the Studios in my room. I don't judge everything in a specific line to sound the same like you do.


Please re-read again. You get too defensive.. enough where u had to PM me twice when I've mentioned I liked the Studio's over the RC's and when I bought the RC-R's saying it was a downgrade(meaning cost wise) you still had to PM me to ask me why I called it a downgrade. It was obviously an upgrade for me which cost less like I explained to you. I hope other members can see what I'm trying to say after re-reading over both of our posts. I'm not starting **** just posting facts..

Sorry to the Paradigm guys in this thread if it sounds like I derailed it. Hope this doesn't have to go on.

[SeanMF]

Originally Posted by callas01

honestly I just wanted to pick a fight.... because I think its BS that you made the forgone conclusion that Emo would best the Outlaw(at least it won't weigh/cost much to ship the loser back; or whatever the phuc you said) and then you say this "I would also never take away from a brand I've NEVER heard" and you haven't even heard an Outlaw product period. But you did take away from something you've never heard. So how can you say you'd like the Emo more? Were you fortunate enough to hear the Emo before you bought it, up there in Canada?

Now I have never heard outlaw either, I was simply making a suggestion for someone to consider given the fact that options are a nice thing to have. Plus they are small, and easily stackable with the benefits of a Monoblock. I didn't say Id take the Outlaw over the Emo, I said Id take an NAD product over Emo. I have heard lots of NAD products(I have a dealer near me) and one of which was from the Masters series, I believe it was their IA, connected to amp, idk, I have heard the 747, 765 and 785 avrs, a CD player, don't know which one.

But what pisses me off the most is that, the mear suggestion of an Amp that isn't Emo is immediately dismissed and treated as heresy, like theyre the only thing anyone on this site is allowed to recommend or purchase. The fanboi'sm is like a f-ing desease. Im sure they make a nice product, but just because it has Emo on the front plate doesn't make it the only thing we can offer up for suggestion. Doesn't automatically mean its better then this or that product either. Of course we all like what we have, and that is great. Ill openly admit that I also can be a fanboi of some of the items I have/had. But I have been trying to keep it in perspective lately. And unless I really think something is an inferior product, I try not to let people consider all option they are presented with. Maybe the Emo club can do the same.

You must be picking a fight because you are in a Paradigm thread (speakers which you don't own) and arguing over Outlaw/Emo amps (which you've never used). Just because you don't like the fanboyism of Emotiva amps doesn't give you the right to bash them.

Seriously I'm not one to say keep things on topic but in this case lets do so. This whole fight is absurd IMO.

[LOTR07]

Originally Posted by SeanMF

You must be picking a fight because you are in a Paradigm thread (speakers which you don't own) and arguing over Outlaw/Emo amps (which you've never used). Just because you don't like the fanboyism of Emotiva amps doesn't give you the right to bash them.

Seriously I'm not one to say keep things on topic but in this case lets do so. This whole fight is absurd IMO.

Sounds good to me...now who can help me sort out my little delima......With my current set up what would be the best match for side surrounds........ADP-390 or ADP-590.....fronts are SA-35 in walls, center is CC-390 and the back surrounds are SA-25 inwalls....what do you guys think......

[aces high]

Originally Posted by LOTR07

Sounds good to me...now who can help me sort out my little delima......With my current set up what would be the best match for side surrounds........ADP-390 or ADP-590.....fronts are SA-35 in walls, center is CC-390 and the back surrounds are SA-25 inwalls....what do you guys think......

I've owned both the ADP 390 and now own the ADP 590's and there's not a huge difference between the two, it also depends on if your getting a good deal on the 390's. I got my 390 v5's as dealer demo's for $500 and the 590's cost me $1200, I can't hear $700 difference between the two. I think it's less important to match the surrounds as it is to match the fronts, unless your heavy into multi channel music.

[Fors*]

Originally Posted by aces high

I've owned both the ADP 390 and now own the ADP 590's and there's not a huge difference between the two, it also depends on if your getting a good deal on the 390's. I got my 390 v5's as dealer demo's for $500 and the 590's cost me $1200, I can't hear $700 difference between the two. I think it's less important to match the surrounds as it is to match the fronts, unless your heavy into multi channel music.

$1,200 for 2 dipole speakers...good thing dipole/bipoles totally don't work for my room, as that is a good penny. I'll stick with the direct firing Titans or Atoms.

[LOTR07]

Originally Posted by aces high

I've owned both the ADP 390 and now own the ADP 590's and there's not a huge difference between the two, it also depends on if your getting a good deal on the 390's. I got my 390 v5's as dealer demo's for $500 and the 590's cost me $1200, I can't hear $700 difference between the two. I think it's less important to match the surrounds as it is to match the fronts, unless your heavy into multi channel music.

Not heavy into multi channel but dabble....i like to audition those disks for peope who say ipod music is the same as SACD or DVD-A.....Probably going to get a good deal around the same price for the 390's finally found a dealer around my area that is reasonable price wise.....with auto calibration and tweaking the center matches the fronts pretty well so I'm inclined to agree with your position......what made you go to the 590's?

[LOTR07]

Originally Posted by Fors*

$1,200 for 2 dipole speakers...good thing dipole/bipoles totally don't work for my room, as that is a good penny. I'll stick with the direct firing Titans or Atoms.

I would guess your sound is more pin pointed than enveloping......

[aces high]

Originally Posted by LOTR07

Not heavy into multi channel but dabble....i like to audition those disks for peope who say ipod music is the same as SACD or DVD-A.....Probably going to get a good deal around the same price for the 390's finally found a dealer around my area that is reasonable price wise.....with auto calibration and tweaking the center matches the fronts pretty well so I'm inclined to agree with your position......what made you go to the 590's?

This will sound pretty stupid but I'll be honest. I like when all my gear match's, that's about the only reason why. I still have some Monitors left as my surround backs which one of these days I will replace with some Studio 10's. I know that I probably won't gain much if any performance but it will match.