Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Ender14]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Yes I go back Centuries, my Sansui Sound System which I still have, was bought in Vietnam in 1969. That was State of the Art back then, Amp and Speakers with a Pioneer Turntable. As for those Movies, most are Independent but they are straight to VOD. Like before they use to go to DVD now to VOD, because the Distribution Method is changing....Will you guys Change?

Nope. No reason to.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Yes I go back Centuries, my Sansui Sound System which I still have, was bought in Vietnam in 1969. That was State of the Art back then, Amp and Speakers with a Pioneer Turntable. As for those Movies, most are Independent but they are straight to VOD. Like before they use to go to DVD now to VOD, because the Distribution Method is changing....Will you guys Change?

I hate to burst your bubble, but Sansui was NEVER a state of the art audio company. I very much doubt that either of us could have ever afforded a true state of the art audio system in any era.

The distribution methods have not changed; all of them still exist. Direct to video titles still go to DVD as well, but I do not track DVD releases nearly as closely as I do blu-ray and 4K.

There is no reason to change as we all can acquire content however we prefer. As a hypothetical question, the answer is no; I will not switch to buying vaporware. If the studios want money from me, they must offer me a tangible quality product and digital is neither of those two things.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Late last night this website crashed. When it came back up everyone, including moderators, were banned for "no specific reason" and the date the ban would be lifted was stated as "never."

It was pretty startling; I was really wondering what the hell had I done until I went to blu-ray.com's facebook page and saw that I was far from alone. This "spare no one" ban wave alarmed a lot of us night owls.

The entire site was offline for a bit more then three hours, when it was restarted, you are denied any access to the forums after the home page was accessible. When it was finished initialization of the forums you could read/post.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Yes I go back Centuries, my Sansui Sound System which I still have, was bought in Vietnam in 1969. That was State of the Art back then, Amp and Speakers with a Pioneer Turntable. As for those Movies, most are Independent but they are straight to VOD. Like before they use to go to DVD now to VOD, because the Distribution Method is changing....Will you guys Change?

You mean decades. Unless you only come at night, and sleep all day.



Seriously state of the art term is incorrectly applied to a vendors latest models, compared to the original meaning referring to some product that is considered a technology leap or radical advancement over the existing products.

There were so many receiver, amp companies back then you really couldn’t say anything was wholly original. A example of state of the art would be 1972 Oscar Heil’s Air Motion Transformer as a example that squeezed air to generate sound.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I hate to burst your bubble, but Sansui was NEVER a state of the art audio company. I very much doubt that either of us could have ever afforded a true state of the art audio system in any era.

The distribution methods have not changed; all of them still exist. Direct to video titles still go to DVD as well, but I do not track DVD releases nearly as closely as I do blu-ray and 4K.

Come on Vilya cut me a break, that Sansui 5000a Amp is Rock Solid and cost me a pretty penny back then bought from a PX in Chu Lai, Vietnam. Paired up with some Sansui Speakers, Pioneer Turntable, and a Sony Reel to Reel Tape Deck gave me some Sweet Sounds. I still have the Amp and Speakers, and it works great in the garage.

As for the Distribution it's changing, the Pandemic has sped up this change. The Studios and Independent Film Makers are taking this new Distribution route for some of their Content not going to Theaters. Hang on it's going to be a bumpy ride for some!

[bhampton]

Alchav,

Basically you are suggest good audio is outdated. Or we are old fashioned for wanting good audio.

I think that's what you're saying. I really don't understand the last few posts.

Either way, it's very much not true in any way.

-Brian

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by bhampton

Alchav,

Basically you are suggest good audio is outdated. Or we are old fashioned for wanting good audio.

I think that's what you're saying. I really don't understand the last few posts.

Either way, it's very much not true in any way.

-Brian

No I'm not saying that, for me I have been through all the good sounds. Now I am just back to basics, and what is good and practical for me. You guys enjoy your good sounds, it's just too costly to keep up. Especially these days, new technology changes so fast that tomorrow you have obsolete equipment. Just go ahead and enjoy it, but it's not for me anymore.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

No I'm not saying that, for me I have been through all the good sounds. Now I am just back to basics, and what is good and practical for me. You guys enjoy your good sounds, it's just too costly to keep up. Especially these days, new technology changes so fast that tomorrow you have obsolete equipment. Just go ahead and enjoy it, but it's not for me anymore.

Yeah, obsolete tech. I mean it’s a bummer that older smart TVs won’t support the latest Netflix and Itunes app!

Talk about obsolete!

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Come on Vilya cut me a break, that Sansui 5000a Amp is Rock Solid and cost me a pretty penny back then bought from a PX in Chu Lai, Vietnam. Paired up with some Sansui Speakers, Pioneer Turntable, and a Sony Reel to Reel Tape Deck gave me some Sweet Sounds. I still have the Amp and Speakers, and it works great in the garage.

As for the Distribution it's changing, the Pandemic has sped up this change. The Studios and Independent Film Makers are taking this new Distribution route for some of their Content not going to Theaters. Hang on it's going to be a bumpy ride for some!

All I said was that Sansui never made state of the art audio gear. I also followed that by saying that I very much doubt that either one of us ever owned state of the art audio equipment.

The pinnacle of audio equipment was extravagantly expensive then as it is now and no military PX ever carried products that expensive in my experience.

Some of the best stereo amplifiers offered today range in price from $250,000 to $2.2 million.

https://www.whathifi.com/us/features...reo-amplifiers

Speakers can cost up to $5 million for one pair.

https://www.whathifi.com/us/features...e-loudspeakers

These are the prices that state of the art audio products command and Sansui was never in this league nor was anything that you or I ever owned.

The studios offering some of their lesser titles via PVOD is neither new nor has it revolutionized how movies are distributed. All of the distribution methods that existed pre-pandemic remain. Most, if not all, of the titles that were offered by PVOD as a consequence of the pandemic have had disc releases scheduled. PVOD is no permanent replacement for theatrical exhibitions; the latter earns exponentially more money for the studios.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

No I'm not saying that, for me I have been through all the good sounds. Now I am just back to basics, and what is good and practical for me. You guys enjoy your good sounds, it's just too costly to keep up. Especially these days, new technology changes so fast that tomorrow you have obsolete equipment. Just go ahead and enjoy it, but it's not for me anymore.

Audio gear does not become outdated very often and speakers essentially never do. It is why we can go years without even seeing any new AVRs, disc players, speakers, etc. being introduced.

Some of the new AVR models offered this year feature hdmi 2.1 and accommodate 8K sources when there basically aren't any 8K sources, so realistically there is no need to upgrade to this years models. A 2018 model AVR supports everything that is in widespread usage.

Yesteryear's turntables still work fine also.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Audio gear does not become outdated very often and speakers essentially never do. It is why we can go years without even seeing any new AVRs, disc players, speakers, etc. being introduced.

Some of the new AVR models offered this year feature hdmi 2.1 and accommodate 8K sources when there basically aren't any 8K sources, so realistically there is no need to upgrade to this years models. A 2018 model AVR supports everything that is in widespread usage.

Yesteryear's turntables still work fine also.

Those 8K sources you mention are limited to 60 FPS. What happens if they standardize on 120 FPS? The spec is 8K @ 60 or 4K @ 120 for HDMI 2.1.

Sports play a very large part of people's video requirements. 8K @ 60 FPS has too many issues that can be solved by going to 120 FPS. That's why it is being strongly considered as a format for sports.

[bhampton]

I get it.... (I think) ...

Alchav has decided he needed to go with less fancy gear and now wants us all to dumb down our systems so that we are on the same level.

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Those 8K sources you mention are limited to 60 FPS. What happens if they standardize on 120 FPS? The spec is 8K @ 60 or 4K @ 120 for HDMI 2.1.

Sports play a very large part of people's video requirements. 8K @ 60 FPS has too many issues that can be solved by going to 120 FPS. That's why it is being strongly considered as a format for sports.

I think they better not get too greedy with the Ks and the Hz.

Some people don't even want good audio anymore.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by bhampton

I get it.... (I think) ...

Alchav has decided he needed to go with less fancy gear and now wants us all to dumb down our systems so that we are on the same level.

That sounds like what he is trying to recommend. Pretty bad IMHO.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Those 8K sources you mention are limited to 60 FPS. What happens if they standardize on 120 FPS? The spec is 8K @ 60 or 4K @ 120 for HDMI 2.1.

Sports play a very large part of people's video requirements. 8K @ 60 FPS has too many issues that can be solved by going to 120 FPS. That's why it is being strongly considered as a format for sports.

At this point I feel that 8K is just not ready for "prime time." An 8K standard needs to be agreed upon first. Out of curiosity, what are the issues with 8K @ 60 fps?

While I am looking at buying a new AVR, 8K capabilities are not among my concerns. It is always nice to be ahead of the curve when buying new equipment, but with 8K content mostly limited to hugely compressed videos of drone flights on youtube, it is not important to me in selecting a new AVR.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Vilya

At this point I feel that 8K is just not ready for "prime time." An 8K standard needs to be agreed upon first.

While I am looking at buying a new AVR, 8K capabilities are not among my concerns. It is always nice to be ahead of the curve when buying new equipment, but with 8K content mostly limited to hugely compressed videos of drone flights on youtube, it is not important to me in selecting a new AVR.

Still given the choice with or without, and how often you change a AVR out, it actually would be better to go with one, then the last model. Especially if your TV dies in 4 years.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

Still given the choice with or without, and how often you change a AVR out, it actually would be better to go with one, then the last model. Especially if your TV dies in 4 years.

I agree that buying ahead of today's standard is a good idea if a person is already in the market for a new AVR; I certainly wouldn't be racing to replace a 2018 model AVR to get a 2020 model whose only major "upgrade" is 8K support.

I am leaning towards Denon's new 6700H at the moment, but I have not seen any reviews yet. My TVs better last far longer than 4 more years or out comes my voodoo doll kit. I do not see myself owning an 8K TV anytime soon.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by bhampton

I think they better not get too greedy with the Ks and the Hz.

The last thing they want is to put out content that looks like crap. There is absolutely no rush whatsoever to produce 8K content at this time. Sales of 8K TVs are far and few between.

Some people don't even want good audio anymore.

Like all home theater gear you have your good, better and best. Some use just the TV's speakers while others use a sound bar setup. And then you have the myriad of separate speakers per channels of surround sound.

Not that long ago they used to sell "Home Theater In A Box" setups: 5 speakers and a sub. Some included a receiver. Cheap HT.

Yes you can spend ungodly amounts of money on an HT. Some of the super rich have spent upwards of $1 million and that didn't include the construction costs of their theater. Barco now has a division to cater to these people called Barco Residential.

Like all things in life you spend what you can afford/want. I surely don't look down my nose at those that don't want to spend a lot of money. Nor am I envious of those that spend a ton of money on their HT . . . been there, done that.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I agree that buying ahead of today's standard is a good idea if a person is already in the market for a new AVR; I certainly wouldn't be racing to replace a 2018 model AVR to get a 2020 model whose only major "upgrade" is 8K support.

I am leaning towards Denon's new 6700H at the moment, but I have not seen any reviews yet. My TVs better last far longer than 4 more years or out comes my voodoo doll kit. I do not see myself owning an 8K TV anytime soon.

I am using a 4520CI which is pre HDR capable (4K pass) and not atmos. So 8k passthrough would be frosting if the reviews are good.

I don't wish anything to happen to ones TV , but hey its a excuse for something better.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

I am using a 4520CI which is pre HDR capable (4K pass) and not atmos. So 8k passthrough would be frosting if the reviews are good.

My AVR is a real relic; it does not even support 3D pass through! I am still using a flawlessly operating 2006 model: the Denon AVR 4806. It has a motion sensitive, battery eating, fluorescently lit remote with almost no buttons that is the worst design I have ever seen.

I dread rewiring everything when I do finally buy a new AVR. Adding a new TV is fun and easy, but replacing an AVR is a pain in the patootie.