Star Wars Wars the UOT Strikes Back and OTHER PEZ dispensers

[kenkraly2004]

I enjoy Star Wars all 6 films both the PT and The SE's of the OT. Why some fans don't like the SE's of the OT I will never understand but people have their opinions on the films and the SE. I can't change that but I like the SE's so don't complain to me just because I like the SE's their are lots of other fans like me who like the SE's. If you don't like them that's fine but don't whine and complain about the changes.

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by kamphausd1

What if the original creator of a movie you love went back and made changes that actually did ruin or compromise your enjoyment of the film, and then decided to make that revised version the only version available for the future? Would you still fully support that as well?

...Milos Forman has NOTHING TO DO with this!

(Okay, so he didn't ruin Amadeus by himself, but still.)

[Moviefan2k4]

Originally Posted by octagon

Do you feel consumers should always and without exception just shut up and take whatever suppliers offer because they just don't have a say?

Of course not, but I'd also keep pointing out that complaining to those without the ability to give you what you want makes no difference. If you've already taken your views to the proper people, then you've done what you can, and that should be enough.

And while we're on the subject, is it really your place to agree with or defend changes to something you don't own? If you truly don't have a say, wouldn't this thread be quite a few posts shy of where it is right now?

Well, I think one of the reasons this thread has become so long is because of the rampant, endless debates between bashers and purists on both sides of the fence. Both camps seem to think they're 100% right, and everyone else is 100% wrong. Meanwhile, folks like me get caught in the middle, trying our best to offer an actual productive alternative.

[Cowboy]

Originally Posted by kenkraly2004

I enjoy Star Wars all 6 films both the PT and The SE's of the OT. Why some fans don't like the SE's of the OT I will never understand but people have their opinions on the films and the SE. I can't change that but I like the SE's do don't complain to me just because I like the SE's their are lots of other fans like me who like the SE's.

Well the whole argument was made invalid the minute someone disrespected the Godfather films.

And yes Beast I got the point you were trying to make....

[Beast]

Originally Posted by kenkraly2004

I enjoy Star Wars all 6 films both the PT and The SE's of the OT. Why some fans don't like the SE's of the OT I will never understand but people have their opinions on the films and the SE. I can't change that but I like the SE's so don't complain to me just because I like the SE's their are lots of other fans like me who like the SE's. If you don't like them that's fine but don't whine and complain about the changes.

Technically, we really should stop referring to them as the SE's. The only versions that were SE's were the '97 ones.

The latest versions drop that unnecessary sub-classification. Since they're the only official versions.

[kenkraly2004]

Originally Posted by Beast

Technically, we really should stop referring to them as the SE's. The only versions that were SE's were the '97 ones.

The latest versions drop that unnecessary sub-classification. Since they're the only official versions.

Very true Beast it's the star wars saga and to me that is what the star wars films are a saga.

[Cowboy]

Originally Posted by Beast

Technically, we really should stop referring to them as the SE's. The only versions that were SE's were the '97 ones.

The latest versions drop that unnecessary sub-classification. Since they're the only official versions.

No No No! They are all "workprint" versions until George Lucas is dead, dead, dead....

[nametag]

Originally Posted by Beast

I'm agreeing with and defending the right of the artist and creator to do what he wants.

What makes an artist so special compared to, say, everyone, that they're entitled to do whatever they want without criticism? "I don't like what you did, but you're allowed to do it, so the fact that I have problems with it doesn't matter" - ??

Just because someone CAN do what they want to be personally satisfied, doesn't mean they should, or that it's right.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Beast

I own The Dark Knight, in the case that I own it on Blu-Ray. Your point?
As for the Godfather films? I wouldn't own them if you gave them to me.

My point is you obviously have no qualms about criticizing (often in very strong terms) films that don't belong to you. You have no trouble seeing that as 'your place'.

Yet these films are supposedly off-limits. They're not our films so it is not our place to question or criticize them.

Do you really not see where I'm going with this?

Originally Posted by Beast

Only when it extends to something that can be defined as "Art".

See above. Only in cases where something can clearly be defined as "Art".

Are popcorn movies really art though?

Originally Posted by Beast

I'm agreeing with and defending the right of the artist and creator to do what he wants.

That's convenient. If we agree with Lucas we have a say (in fact, we not only have a say, we're engaged in a noble pursuit), if we disagree with Lucas we don't have a say.

Convenient indeed.

And btw who exactly is threatening this right?

Is anybody suing him? Is anybody lobbying Congress for legislation?

Is anybody doing anything more dire than expressing a preference for A over B?

Nope.

[mrpink134]

Originally Posted by Cowboy

No No No! They are all "workprint" versions until George Lucas is dead, dead, dead....

Then his kids will release the real versions we all grave

[octagon]

Originally Posted by mrpink134

Then his kids will release the real versions we all grave

As typos go that one's pretty funny

[kenkraly2004]

They are GL films people he can do what ever he wants to them. Get this through you head.

[Blu-man08]

Originally Posted by nametag

What makes an artist so special compared to, say, everyone, that they're entitled to do whatever they want without criticism? "I don't like what you did, but you're allowed to do it, so the fact that I have problems with it doesn't matter" - ??

Just because someone CAN do what they want to be personally satisfied, doesn't mean they should, or that it's right.

Yes, yes, YES! My sig is getting a good work out.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by nametag

What makes an artist so special compared to, say, everyone, that they're entitled to do whatever they want without criticism?

Who said they could do it without criticism? This thread proves that is impossible.

"I don't like what you did, but you're allowed to do it, so the fact that I have problems with it doesn't matter" - ??

Now you're getting it. You can dislike the changes. But you don't get an actual say.
It's all about the rights of the artist. The masses don't own the work, no matter how many times they've seen it.
I don't claim ownership of the Mona Lisa because I've seen it. Just like we don't have claim to Star Wars.

Just because someone CAN do what they want to be personally satisfied, doesn't mean they should, or that it's right.

Sure it's right. It's the right of the artist and creator. You don't have to like it, but they have every right.

[mrpink134]

Originally Posted by kenkraly2004

They are GL films people he can do what ever he wants to them. Get this through you head.

We as consumers can complain about it! Get that though your head.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by kenkraly2004

They are GL films people he can do what ever he wants to them. Get this through you head.

Can you point to a single person who has said otherwise?

[kenkraly2004]

I have no problem with the changes to the films over the years. Why some do I will never understand they are GL films he has every right to change them.

[kamphausd1]

Originally Posted by Beast

It doesn't change the enjoyment I gained in the past from the films.

True, but like I said, wouldn't you want the versions you love to continue to be made available in pristine quality in whatever new format is made available?

Originally Posted by Beast

And I'd happily enjoy the new versions.

Even if the new versions featured changes that actually did ruin the experience for you?

Originally Posted by Beast

I can't fathom any change to any movie that would ruin a film for me.

Really?

Originally Posted by Beast

Hell, some movies could use some heavy changes.

Such as?

Originally Posted by Beast

And it certainly wouldn't ripple backwards through time and alter the enjoyment I already recieved from the films.

See first post.

Originally Posted by Beast

So it's a moot point.

It's not a moot point at all Beast.

[Cowboy]

Originally Posted by kenkraly2004

I have no problem with the changes to the films over the years. Why some do I will never understand they are GL films he has every right to change them.

Oh so what you are saying is that we should like them just because George Lucas likes the changes? Is that what you are trying to say? Should we be sheep to George? Like I said for me personally he has made some great changes but some are just idiotic! Let me tell you that there are same fan edits out there that are much better than George's.

[kenkraly2004]

Originally Posted by Cowboy

Oh so what you are saying is that we should like them just because George Lucas likes the changes? Is that what you are trying to say? Should we be sheep to George? Like I said for me personally he has made some great changes but some are just idiotic! Let me tell you that there are same fan edits out there that are much better than George's.

I agree their have been some changes I did not like Han shoots 1st is one but they are very few changes that I don't like. Fan Edits sorry I will stick to official versions of the films.