The Dark Knight Rises (2012)

[mredman]

Originally Posted by STD

I thought TDK was already as good as a transfer can get.

i see nothing wrong with it either look at the reviews they are top. How can anyone complain about that

[DreamVillain]

Probably been said about a million times, but BBY better release a steelbook of TDKR, if not my OCD will kick in lol

[42041]

Originally Posted by mredman

i see nothing wrong with it either look at the reviews they are top. How can anyone complain about that

If accuracy is part of their grading criterion, then the reviewers blew it.
TDK is remarkable for its use of analog post-production at a time when 99% of films are mastered digitally. When the blu-ray looks anything but analog, that's a problem.
But this thread isn't about TDK. Hopefully Warner gets it right this time.

[joenostalgia23]

Originally Posted by STD

I thought TDK was already as good as a transfer can get.

It can definitely look better.
It's by no means a bad transfer. Those IMAX sequences look gorgeous.
But I wouldn't call it a great transfer.

There's a lot of digital manipulation that gets in the way of the film looking the best that it can. If you can find a 1080p trailer off iTunes or maybe even YouTube, you could compare some of the shots to the Blu-ray and you'll see how much detail was taken away.

[SK408]

Originally Posted by midgat0

that is my ACTUAL birthday date. so double WOOO lol

It's my birthday too,triple WOOO.

[iamsometal]

Originally Posted by joenostalgia23

It can definitely look better.
It's by no means a bad transfer. Those IMAX sequences look gorgeous.
But I wouldn't call it a great transfer.

There's a lot of digital manipulation that gets in the way of the film looking the best that it can. If you can find a 1080p trailer off iTunes or maybe even YouTube, you could compare some of the shots to the Blu-ray and you'll see how much detail was taken away.

I totally agree. It seems to me they DNR'ed the non-IMAX 35mm footage, probably in an effort to remove the film grain and make it look more like the IMAX footage (which has film grain that is much more fine and harder to notice). Then they most likely used a pretty liberal amount of artificial edge enhancement to the 35mm footage and it just ended up looking like a halo-infested mess to me. The PQ difference between the IMAX and 35mm footage is pretty jarring. That bothers me way more than the switching aspect ratios. I'd much prefer noticeable film grain in the 35mm footage and no edge enhancement. But this is all just conjecture and has been debated ad nauseum. Who knows what their intentions were with TDK, lets hope for the best with TDKR and it ends up on blu-ray with a less-tampered-with, more flimic transfer.

[MikeH5856]

Originally Posted by Optimus-Prime-Rox

http://www.filmarena.cz/blu-ray-temn...ratelska-edice

Very nice! Hopefully the US will get this too. Thanks for posting this Optimus!

[MykeHavoc]

Holy hit.

[WorkShed]

Originally Posted by mredman

i see nothing wrong with it either look at the reviews they are top. How can anyone complain about that

[Show spoiler]

Look at the difference between the two images. The top one is the theatrical still. The bottom one is from the Blu. There's a huge change in color timing and detail.

[Mandalorian]

Originally Posted by WorkShed

[Show spoiler]

Look at the difference between the two images. The top one is the theatrical still. The bottom one is from the Blu. There's a huge change in color timing and detail.

I'm so glad they don't allow gifs as avatars and signatures on this site like they do on so many others (including the one in the link you provided). I'd never be able to focus.

As for the changes, they are alarming when displayed side-by-side, but hardly a distraction in action. Still, I would prefer the BD be how Nolan and Pfister want it. But seeing how big a seller BB and TDK have been, I don't see them redoing anything. (One could hope -- not saying I do, or don't), but I don't see them feeling the need to with the bank these movies have brought in on Blu.

[BStecke]

Originally Posted by iamsometal

I totally agree. It seems to me they DNR'ed the non-IMAX 35mm footage, probably in an effort to remove the film grain and make it look more like the IMAX footage (which has film grain that is much more fine and harder to notice). Then they most likely used a pretty liberal amount of artificial edge enhancement to the 35mm footage and it just ended up looking like a halo-infested mess to me. The PQ difference between the IMAX and 35mm footage is pretty jarring. That bothers me way more than the switching aspect ratios. I'd much prefer noticeable film grain in the 35mm footage and no edge enhancement. But this is all just conjecture and has been debated ad nauseum. Who knows what their intentions were with TDK, lets hope for the best with TDKR and it ends up on blu-ray with a less-tampered-with, more flimic transfer.

No, you're right. There was an article back when TDK was first release on Blu-ray that discussed what was involved in its creation (it's been quite some time since I read it so I can't point to it right this moment). Since the movie was released in IMAX, the 35mm scenes were put through a process that sharpened them so that, when blown up on an IMAX screen, they didn't look blurry compared to the IMAX stuff. Problem is that this "IMAX master" is what they used as a reference for the Blu-ray, so all the digital processing and sharpening is left intact. TDK would be an absolutely fantastic disc if they used the non-sharpened 35mm scenes mixed with the IMAX stuff. It would undoubtedly be reference quality.

Pulling this back to TDKR, there's unfortunately a very strong possibility that the same situation will apply. But, given the choice between having non-sharpened 35mm stuff and no IMAX or sharpened 35mm with IMAX, I'd have to go with the latter, because the IMAX footage in TDK is pretty amazing.

[DreamVillain]

I think TDK loos just fine as it is now. Any change would be so minimal that I probably wouldn't even notice.

[42041]

Originally Posted by BStecke

Pulling this back to TDKR, there's unfortunately a very strong possibility that the same situation will apply. But, given the choice between having non-sharpened 35mm stuff and no IMAX or sharpened 35mm with IMAX, I'd have to go with the latter, because the IMAX footage in TDK is pretty amazing.

Transformers 2's IMAX edition didn't have the issue... I don't know what the situation with TDKR's HD video master is, but making it look like TDK is completely avoidable if WB cares to do so.

[BStecke]

Very true, and I hope so. It doesn't seem like it would've taken a WHOLE lot of effort (especially given the guaranteed return in sales) to make TDK a truly reference-quality disc. TDK was the first of its kind and maybe that potential downside just wasn't recognized when creating the disc? I'm sure Nolan isn't ignorant of Blu-ray, so perhaps the handling of TDKR will be different.

There's still the dream of the ultimate trilogy set with new versions of BB and TDK alongside an equally great release of TDKR

[BluProofie]

Originally Posted by BStecke

mixed with the IMAX stuff. It would undoubtedly be reference quality.

Pulling this back to TDKR, there's unfortunately a very strong possibility that the same situation will apply. But, given the choice between having non-sharpened 35mm stuff and no IMAX or sharpened 35mm with IMAX, I'd have to go with the latter, because the IMAX footage in TDK is pretty amazing.

Warner Bros. is a very lazy company when it comes to BD transfers. Sure, they can make some pretty good ones but, I have a strong feeling they will be too lazy to use a normal 35mm print with IMAX footage for the TDKR Blu-ray. What we will most likely get is just the IMAX master with sharpened 35mm footage. I won't be too bothered by this because It doesn't bother me when I watch TDK. But, I do hope Warner wises up and combines the normal 35mm master with the IMAX master to create the best looking transfer possible for TDKR.

[42041]

Originally Posted by BStecke

Very true, and I hope so. It doesn't seem like it would've taken a WHOLE lot of effort (especially given the guaranteed return in sales) to make TDK a truly reference-quality disc. TDK was the first of its kind and maybe that potential downside just wasn't recognized when creating the disc? I'm sure Nolan isn't ignorant of Blu-ray, so perhaps the handling of TDKR will be different.

There's still the dream of the ultimate trilogy set with new versions of BB and TDK alongside an equally great release of TDKR

Since Nolan's style with his 35mm material tends to be somewhat dark and visually subdued, personally I suspect that WB felt the need to "pump up" the image since it was one of their biggest blu-ray releases ever, to give it more of that HD-y action movie pop that your average consumer might expect, perhaps over-compensating for the lukewarm reception of the Batman Begins disc. Unfortunately they probably made the right call from a business perspective.

[aiman04]

They should splice it with the original 35mm. See Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen, now that is how to do it.

I think they won't repeat that same mistake with The Dark Knight Rises, and I have a feeling we'll get new transfer for The Dark Knight sooner or later.

[BluProofie]

Originally Posted by aiman04

They should splice it with the original 35mm. See Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen, now that is how to do it.

I think they won't repeat that same mistake with The Dark Knight Rises, and I have a feeling we'll get new transfer for The Dark Knight sooner or later.

Warner Bros. is lazy. I have a strong feeling they will just use the IMAX master.

[aiman04]

Originally Posted by BluProofie

Warner Bros. is lazy. I have a strong feeling they will just use the IMAX master.

I was hoping they would re-do Batman Begins too and put them all in a new shiny boxset. But you're most probably right though, I might just get the boxset as another re-package.

[Aragorn the Elfstone]

I really hope you guys are wrong. I remember when I turned on the BD of TDK and the 35mm scenes kept pulling me out of the movie (they were so awful ). I keep holding out hope for a redux of that film's transfer - but at the very least WB needs to do right by TDKR.