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[Derb]

Originally Posted by RaijinUT

The pat still shows a card slot guys... Chance are high that if this devices is the NX, then the "SD" card will work with both the home version and handle version of the NX... and I am fine with that.

There direction could be mini-karts.

If I was going to build a console for any of the big players, I would opt out of optical in favor of flash. No moving parts.

[Mavrick]

Nintendo always did love a cart. Although that was probably because they made shed loads of money from them since studios had to pay Nintendo to put their games on cartridge for them

[detective392]

Originally Posted by BoneCrusher2

I know I read something a few weeks ago that suggested that Nintendo was wanting to go into production on whatever NX is before a whole lot longer. I can't recall when they wanted to but I'm definitely predicting a 2016 fall release. The Wii U has been slow for Nintendo since launch so they probably started on the concepts of NX a long time ago and are in the final stages of development and likely not all that long away from starting production.

Yeah, at E3 they were showing the NX to developers and getting a lot of interest so they must have something to show and word was that it was good.

[Dalekbuster523Bluray]

Originally Posted by BoneCrusher2

Maybe the NX will have a version that does not have a disc drive but also a more expensive version that does include a disc drive. It would certainly be a bold move to make a console with no disc drive. It could very well be happening but not having at least a version that does have a disc drive would be a strong move and they could completely lose a lot of people who would otherwise want the machine. Of course we're assuming that this patent is the NX which it probably is but there's no guarantee that it is either. It'll certainly be interesting to see what this ends up turning out to be.

Personally, if they do any device without a disc drive be it for a cheaper option or not I won't be happy. Why should I pay more for a console with a disc drive?

It should already have a disc drive anyway.

[jimidini]

Originally Posted by Derb

There direction could be mini-karts.

If I was going to build a console for any of the big players, I would opt out of optical in favor of flash. No moving parts.

Yes, well probably not flash but something that is only readable and more durable. Like what they use for DS+3DS.

It could be a "buy once, plays on handheld + home console (looks worse on handheld of course)".

If it uses physical media, I would be all over that.

Optical media is over its limits already. Just look at all the installations PS4 is doing. That's because optical drives are not fast enough.

It would probably mean Wii U / Wii backward compatibility is out of the picture, although they could simply offer a disc drive as add-on for that.


BUT: all of these are assumptions. The patent could be about something else or could just not get used at all (for the latter look for anti-used video game patent granted to Sony). We know literally nothing about NX.

[Derb]

Originally Posted by jimidini

Yes, well probably not flash but something that is only readable and more durable. Like what they use for DS+3DS.

If it uses physical media, I would be all over that.

Yep, that's what I was trying to say. Basically their console could have 0 loading screens & 0 installs.

There is a chance this patent has nothing to do with NX. If so, my guess would be a dumbed down version of Wii U.

Remember my hunt for those Wii consoles? Only to find out Wii was released 3 seperate times & each time they took something away from it.

This could be Wii U digital only console. Stress "Could"

[jimidini]

Originally Posted by Derb

Yep, that's what I was trying to say. Basically their console could have 0 loading screens & 0 installs.

That would be awesome

Remember my hunt for those Wii consoles? Only to find out Wii was released 3 seperate times & each time they took something away from it.

I told you that

To be fair, Nintendo released the second model without Gamecube compatibility 5 years after the original release. And the horrible Wii Mini model 1 year after that.

1 year later Nintendo stopped production of Wiis except for the Mini Wii model.

Business-wise I guess Wii Mini was created to avoid piracy maybe? That would at least make some sense.

This could be Wii U digital only console. Stress "Could"

The "New Wii U"

Who knows, maybe the digital only release of Fatal Frame in US is a start?

[Dalekbuster523Bluray]

Originally Posted by Derb

Yep, that's what I was trying to say. Basically their console could have 0 loading screens & 0 installs.

There is a chance this patent has nothing to do with NX. If so, my guess would be a dumbed down version of Wii U.

Remember my hunt for those Wii consoles? Only to find out Wii was released 3 seperate times & each time they took something away from it.

This could be Wii U digital only console. Stress "Could"

Hopefully it is. Too soon for the Wii U to be replaced by NX.

[detective392]

Originally Posted by Dalekbuster523Bluray

Hopefully it is. Too soon for the Wii U to be replaced by NX.

The NX is being released by late 2016 as Nintendo has pretty much confirmed that. Very early 2017 at the latest.

I love my Wii U but I can't wait to see what the NX is. Chances are I'll be getting just 4 more games for my Wii U and that's it. Unless they announce something new down the line which I doubt. Nintendo seems done with the Wii U.

[Dalekbuster523Bluray]

Originally Posted by detective392

The NX is being released by late 2016 as Nintendo has pretty much confirmed that. Very early 2017 at the latest.

I love my Wii U but I can't wait to see what the NX is. Chances are I'll be getting just 4 more games for my Wii U and that's it. Unless they announce something new down the line which I doubt. Nintendo seems done with the Wii U.

If Nintendo is done with the Wii U, then I want my money back from whatever Game gave them of the profits. I bought Nintendo's console last year expecting there to be at least three more years of games for it, not two with hardly any coming out next year.

[Mavrick]

My bet would be on a 2017 release.

It really all depends on what AAA games they announce for the Wii U next year. If the release slate is empty then it's safe to say the NX will be here sooner rather than later.

I wonder if they cancelled the Wii U Zelda to push it on to NX. That is if they are now heading for a 2016 release for that game then it could mean Wii U has one year left then NX in 17, or it will launch in wii u and NX in 2016 like Twilight Prices did on GCN and Wii

[Dalekbuster523Bluray]

Originally Posted by Mavrick

My bet would be on a 2017 release.

It really all depends on what AAA games they announce for the Wii U next year. If the release slate is empty then it's safe to say the NX will be here sooner rather than later.

I wonder if they cancelled the Wii U Zelda to push it on to NX. That is if they are now heading for a 2016 release for that game then it could mean Wii U has one year left then NX in 17, or it will launch in wii u and NX in 2016 like Twilight Prices did on GCN and Wii

I hope they release all their titles to both Wii U and NX, otherwise they really know how to **** people off.

[Mavrick]

I don't think they have much choice, the Wii U has sold atrociously, so from Nintendo's perspective the sooner they get new hardware out the better.

Of course, Wii U will exist alongside whatever comes next but the question is who is going to continue releasing games on a console that's only just passed 10 million units sold worldwide. 3rd party support has all but died, and Nintendo would probably want to focus on NX games.

It's easy to speculate, but I guess we should be waiting until the NX is actually announced and it's confirmed what sort of platform it's going to be.

[detective392]

I can see zelda being released on both the Wii U and NX. Hopefully we get an announcement or something as I don't want to buy a Wii U version and than when NX launches they announce an NX version. Unless they release the same time.

Nintendo is basically the only people supporting the Wii U right now and that seems to end in 2016 with Pokken and Zelda. Only other major game for 2016 I can think of is Fire Emblem vs Megami.

Sucks you just bought a Wii U but the death warrant for it has been signed for quite awhile now actually. Plus you have all the past games to play.

It's easy to speculate, but I guess we should be waiting until the NX is actually announced and it's confirmed what sort of platform it's going to be.

Well, we know it's a home console system but hopefully it's just that. No second screen or anything. I don't want another Wii U and you would think Nintendo would have learned from the Wii U.

[detective392]

One of our first NX games?

http://ingsoc.org/

[Derb]

https://web.archive.org/web/20120502...browsernx.html

Has this been linked already?

The Wii U & 3DS use this.

[Dalekbuster523Bluray]

Originally Posted by Derb

https://web.archive.org/web/20120502...browsernx.html

Has this been linked already?

The Wii U & 3DS use this.

So Nintendo are just being lazy with the name?

[Derb]

Their system could literally be connected to anything electronic or mobile especially now since their making mobile partners.



Wouldn't shock me after MS attempt & Sony's hush hush backing out of digital last minute that Nintendo takes a nose dive right towards digital distribution only.

They make a cheap box which doesn't cost them hardly a dime & you pay for "name your device" then pay Nintendo cash for digital games to play on whatever device.

Mapping controls has been a problem I've had with Nintendo. You can't tell me the Wii U Pro controller is not compatible with 99% of all Nintendo games dating back to 1985. There are so many, because they $ell. Don't forget to pick up Toad & Bowser Wii Motes this month. lol

So that's the only thing I dunno if Nintendo will let go. Every game (most) can be re-mapped for any device to play.

[jimidini]

Originally Posted by Derb

Mapping controls has been a problem I've had with Nintendo. You can't tell me the Wii U Pro controller is not compatible with 99% of all Nintendo games dating back to 1985. There are so many, because they $ell. Don't forget to pick up Toad & Bowser Wii Motes this month. lol

So that's the only thing I dunno if Nintendo will let go. Every game (most) can be re-mapped for any device to play.

Super Mario Sunshine and other Gamecube titles use the analog triggers of the Gamecube controller. The Wii U Pro Controller has no analog triggers. It also has no motion controls.

And then there is of course the Wiimote, which has some features which obviously can't be mapped to Wii U Pro Controller either (motion controls + pointer functionality). Wii U gamepad has motion controls, but I doubt anyone would want to play for example Wii Sports with that controller instead of using the Wiimote simply because of the form factor and the weight.

For Wii games in general there is also a limitation based on how those games were built. Those games have Wiimote (+ possibly Classic Controller) support BUILT IN. The games do not ask some generic library or the Wii OS, but handle the whole controller stuff by themselves. Which means you would have to patch the games. And the Wii has no ability to patch games. That's why additional controller support for Wii games isn't possible.

That's why some downloadable games on Wii U eShop support the Wii U gamepad controller and physical Wii games running on Wii U don't. The eShop downloads were changed/modified accordingly. They are not the exact same games.


What Nintendo did with Wii U was really nice. Sure it could have been handled even better like for example doing Wii U Pro Controller support differently, so that for example the Gamecube adapter could be used for all games having Wii U Pro Controller support. And Wii games themselves could have been built differently, so that controller support could have been added.

BUT at least Nintendo supports for example Wiimote for some Wii U games like Pikmin 3. Sony for example could have supported the PS3 Dualshock controller for games, that do not use the touchpad of the PS4 controller (which is most games). Instead they effectively artificially force you to buy new overpriced controllers. There are tons of Wiimotes out there, and they will simply work with Wii U (and of course even Gamecube controllers work with Smash U and also for the Gamecube homebrew compatibility on Wii U - this alone is insane - a console supporting 3 generations of controllers - noone has to buy gamecube controllers, but if you have some you can use them). I consider this as well as proper 100% backward compatibility to be very customer friendly.

What Nintendo could have also done is put a Bluetooth chip inside the Wii U gamepad. If they had done this, they could have emulated a Wiimote w/ Classic Controller attached to it, which would have meant physical Wii games would have worked without any modification whatsoever (the Wii U gamepad has its own firmware, which is even patchable). But it has none and it uses a different way of communicating with the console.

[Derb]

Originally Posted by jimidini

Super Mario Sunshine and other Gamecube titles use the analog triggers of the Gamecube controller. The Wii U Pro Controller has no analog triggers. It also has no motion controls.

And then there is of course the Wiimote, which has some features which obviously can't be mapped to Wii U Pro Controller either (motion controls + pointer functionality). Wii U gamepad has motion controls, but I doubt anyone would want to play for example Wii Sports with that controller instead of using the Wiimote simply because of the form factor and the weight.

For Wii games in general there is also a limitation based on how those games were built. Those games have Wiimote (+ possibly Classic Controller) support BUILT IN. The games do not ask some generic library or the Wii OS, but handle the whole controller stuff by themselves. Which means you would have to patch the games. And the Wii has no ability to patch games. That's why additional controller support for Wii games isn't possible.

That's why some downloadable games on Wii U eShop support the Wii U gamepad controller and physical Wii games running on Wii U don't. The eShop downloads were changed/modified accordingly. They are not the exact same games.


What Nintendo did with Wii U was really nice. Sure it could have been handled even better like for example doing Wii U Pro Controller support differently, so that for example the Gamecube adapter could be used for all games having Wii U Pro Controller support. And Wii games themselves could have been built differently, so that controller support could have been added.

BUT at least Nintendo supports for example Wiimote for some Wii U games like Pikmin 3. Sony for example could have supported the PS3 Dualshock controller for games, that do not use the touchpad of the PS4 controller (which is most games). Instead they effectively artificially force you to buy new overpriced controllers. There are tons of Wiimotes out there, and they will simply work with Wii U (and of course even Gamecube controllers work with Smash U and also for the Gamecube homebrew compatibility on Wii U - this alone is insane - a console supporting 3 generations of controllers - noone has to buy gamecube controllers, but if you have some you can use them). I consider this as well as proper 100% backward compatibility to be very customer friendly.

What Nintendo could have also done is put a Bluetooth chip inside the Wii U gamepad. If they had done this, they could have emulated a Wiimote w/ Classic Controller attached to it, which would have meant physical Wii games would have worked without any modification whatsoever (the Wii U gamepad has its own firmware, which is even patchable). But it has none and it uses a different way of communicating with the console.

Yeah ok, I jumped on the Pro too fast. Point was to get across re-mapping controls so "said" game will work on any device & like you pointed out, that's possible with digital games old & new.

I read rumours that the big N is starting the manufacturing process this October. I'll just say they don't have the time to release 1st party games or 3rd party games by 2016 in quantity, maybe a few quality titles at best. They'll need their back catalog alive as soon as NX streets which could be next fall if rumours around the net turn out to be correct.

Only a read-only NX brand Mem Kart could be an NX option for physical media. If the patent is for Wii U Digital Console, I wouldn't be surprised.. but I don't think it is. That only leaves digital left for NX.