List of UHDs that contain HDR10+

[philochs]

Originally Posted by TheSweetieMan

JUSTICE LEAGUE confirmed to have Dolby Vision on its UHD disc.

I wouldn't be bragging about that. Have you actually seen Justice League, it's quite hard to sit through.

[EbonDragon]

Originally Posted by philochs

I wouldn't be bragging about that. Have you actually seen Justice League, it's quite hard to sit through.

It’s actually quite easy. It’s at worst a mediocre action adventure. If you’re not cynical, it’s easy entertainment.

[HumanMedia]

Apart from manufacturers trying to save a few dollars on their bill of Material, just wondering why there is any consumer interest in HDR10+ ?
Is it for people who will never expect to have a DV path in their systems in the future?

[Fendergopher]

Way I see it, the only potential upside for consumers with having both Dolby Vision and HDR10+ competing on the market, is if a majority of TVs are capable of displaying both. Otherwise it really just comes down to which side your particular display supports, and the content available therein, effectively making for a dynamic metadata format war.

Looking at things in the long-term, honestly it would be best if the market could just decide on a single standard for dynamic metadata, and then pushing for that one standard to be applied for any material mastered with dynamic metadata in mind. I guess HDR10+ being royalty-free might help it in the long run (dat bottom line yo), especially if it can produce results comparable to or as good as Dolby Vision mastered content.

I guess the underlying issue lies with the fact that HDR in general is lacking any formalized standards on best practices on how to apply it, as well as the technology constantly evolving, and thus we're seeing a wild west with everyone jumping on the HDR bandwagon and pretty much just learning as they're going along.

On the upside, at least HDR10 is starting to find its place, and you can rest assured that whether or not what you're watching is Dolby Vision or HDR10+ compatible, you'll be able to watch HDR10 content just fine anyway.

[TheSweetieMan]

Originally Posted by philochs

I wouldn't be bragging about that. Have you actually seen Justice League, it's quite hard to sit through.

I think you missed the point of my post.

It’s a Warner title.

Whom apparently were no longer going to release DV titles on disc.

It was just a harmless jest.

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by HumanMedia

Apart from manufacturers trying to save a few dollars on their bill of Material, just wondering why there is any consumer interest in HDR10+ ?
Is it for people who will never expect to have a DV path in their systems in the future?

Nah - actually recently I believe it has been revealed that new HDR10+ sets will be able to read DV metadata and convert to HDR10+ on the fly, essentially. If this ends up happening all HDR10+ owners will have a path to DV, but not necessarily the other way around. Anyway, you could ask the reverse question - are those who are resistant to HDR10+ only resistant because bought an expensive DV set with no path to HDR10+?

There are a couple of reasons some feel HDR10+ is the overall better choice:

First, it does the same thing as DV. It uses a different method but gets to the same result. While some could argue DV is 12bit, this is more a spec sheet difference as in terms of PQ there is no noticeable difference with 10bit with real world material. The main improvement you see with DV is the dynamic metadata, and HDR10+ has this covered.

Second, it is cheaper to implement than DV both in hardware and software. This means that it leaves more room for lower prices for consumers and perhaps greater penetration in the market over time. Take a look at the tiny percentage of DV discs vs HDR10 - the cost of DV definitely plays a role in how few UHDBDs actually have DV. With HDR10+, we could see a surge in discs with dynamic metadata once it gets off the ground - to the extent where HDR10 is eventually completely replaced by HDR10+. If you want more dynamic metadata on disc, you should be supporting HDR10+.

Lastly and perhaps most importantly, HDR10+ is an open standard. Many are fans of open standards and do not like closed standards like DV. When an open standard does the same thing as a closed standard, many will support the open standard first out of principal.

[JoeDeM]

Originally Posted by Ruined

Nah - actually recently I believe it has been revealed that new HDR10+ sets will be able to read DV metadata and convert to HDR10+ on the fly, essentially. If this ends up happening all HDR10+ owners will have a path to DV, but not necessarily the other way around. Anyway, you could ask the reverse question - are those who are resistant to HDR10+ only resistant because bought an expensive DV set with no path to HDR10+?

Source for this info

[Vangeli]

Yeah no, HDR10+ sets won't be able to do anything with Dolby Vision metadata unless they have Dolby Vision.

Kinda negates the only positive HDR10+ has, which is smaller fees. It'd be great if there was a player and a display of note that could do it all, but Samsung is really the only one that can make waves and they're not going Dobly Vision at all so don't get your hopes up.

[Geoff D]

Sauce pls

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Ruined

Nah - actually recently I believe it has been revealed that new HDR10+ sets will be able to read DV metadata and convert to HDR10+ on the fly, essentially.

HeatEquation posted that where?
Simply not true.

[philochs]

Originally Posted by TheSweetieMan

I think you missed the point of my post.

It’s a Warner title.

Whom apparently were no longer going to release DV titles on disc.

It was just a harmless jest.

Funny, my comment was also a harmless jest.

Warner announced Dolby Vision on disc a while ago. I just assumed that they'd continue to release DV discs, even after they start to put out some HDR10+ discs. Warner Bros. is mixing it up. I want dynamic metadata on every UHD disc, and I think Warner is moving towards that direction, so I'm pleased. I wanted to like Justice League much more than I actually liked it. Gal Gadot was the best part...hava nagila!

[RustinCohle]

Sometimes I feel like an outsider being on this forum and not caring at all about HDR10, DV, HDR10+, bits, nits, etc.

I'll just throw the movie in and watch it.

[Geoff D]

That's not the first time you've posted such sentiments IIRC. What do you want, a pat on the back? You're on an enthusiast's forum so people sure as shit are gonna get enthusiastic about ALL this paraphernalia. Perhaps you could start your own forum at illjustthrowthemovieinandwatchit.com? Gonna be some short-assed threads though with no-one actually, y'know, discussing anything.

[ray0414]

Seems to me that if tvs could read DV to convert them, that would either be stealing the Metadata without paying the licenses or they actually paid the licenses to be able to read it in order to convert it. Thankfully people who post such idiotic ramblings no longer post here.

[Geoff D]

People who repeat such idiotic ramblings are still here though.

[Geoff D]

This ain't America son, it's the The Internet™. No-one said you can't have an opinion but come on: you've come into a thread specifically intended for discussing HDR10+ and associated nerdy off-topicery just to say "I don't care about any of this". You've done it in movie 4K threads before and I can almost understand that, moaning about it in there because it takes away from the discussion about the movie or whatever, but here you've gone out of your way to threadcrap so don't be surprised if you get any pushback.

[edit] And now I see that Rusty's follow up posts and a few others related to it have disappeared. Not sure it really needed reporting but the threads's a bit cleaner for it I guess.

[BrownianMotion]

What movies are playing on the displays under the WB and Fox logos? Can anyone tell?

[puddy77]

Originally Posted by BrownianMotion

What movies are playing on the displays under the WB and Fox logos? Can anyone tell?

[Show spoiler]

Fox is definitely Kingsman: The Golden Circle. And I believe Warner is King:Arthur: Legend of the Sword.

[Aidenag]

Originally Posted by Ruined

Nah - actually recently I believe it has been revealed that new HDR10+ sets will be able to read DV metadata and convert to HDR10+ on the fly, essentially. If this ends up happening all HDR10+ owners will have a path to DV, but not necessarily the other way around. Anyway, you could ask the reverse question - are those who are resistant to HDR10+ only resistant because bought an expensive DV set with no path to HDR10+?

There are a couple of reasons some feel HDR10+ is the overall better choice:

First, it does the same thing as DV. It uses a different method but gets to the same result. While some could argue DV is 12bit, this is more a spec sheet difference as in terms of PQ there is no noticeable difference with 10bit with real world material. The main improvement you see with DV is the dynamic metadata, and HDR10+ has this covered.

Second, it is cheaper to implement than DV both in hardware and software. This means that it leaves more room for lower prices for consumers and perhaps greater penetration in the market over time. Take a look at the tiny percentage of DV discs vs HDR10 - the cost of DV definitely plays a role in how few UHDBDs actually have DV. With HDR10+, we could see a surge in discs with dynamic metadata once it gets off the ground - to the extent where HDR10 is eventually completely replaced by HDR10+. If you want more dynamic metadata on disc, you should be supporting HDR10+.

Lastly and perhaps most importantly, HDR10+ is an open standard. Many are fans of open standards and do not like closed standards like DV. When an open standard does the same thing as a closed standard, many will support the open standard first out of principal.

First: HDR10+ doesn't do the same as DV. close, but not the same. And it's not just 12 bit that separates them. This has been detailed over and over on forum and elsewhere, so won't go into the long winded details on it again.

Second: Nobody knows if it's actually cheaper or not as 10+ isn't free to use either. And both formats are hiding what the actual cost is to use said formats. And if TCL can adapt DV into a sub $1k tv this early on, the costs for DV can't be any real barrier on pricing.

Lastly: HDR10+ is NOT open source. Requiring a yearly usage fee, and forcing all other companies using it to share technology and secrets with Samsung makes it anything but a true open source format. Samsung is trying to pull a con job on people by saying it's open source. This is really starting to irk me when people keep repeating samsungs propaganda that its an open format. By the very definition of the term, they are not in any way shape or form open...

"denoting software for which the original source code is made freely available and may be redistributed and modified."

So, lets see here. They are not freely available, and you can't redistribute it, and you can't modify it any way you wish... Yep, not open.. plain and simple. Please everyone quit saying it. Your falling for one of the largest mega corporations on earth trying to say they are offering something that is open sourced format... What's next, you guys ganna fall for Apple saying iOS is open source and free? This is a slippery slope when the masses, especially more informed on the topic masses, buy into this type of crap.

[TheSweetieMan]

THAT Sony HDMI-Less Dolby Vision TV Firmware Update (& HDR10+) - YouTube

HDR10+ is a joke.

LG and Sony both have confirmed to Vincent Teoh, what another user on here pointed out that John Archer had reported at CES last week, that HDR10+ doesn't optimize end-to-end playback on all compatible panels the same way that Dolby Vision does. Instead, it relies solely on a universal algorithm. In theory, this is no different than what LG's 2017 and 2018 OLED models do, in using LG's proprietary 'Active HDR' algorithm, to simulate dynamic metadata, on static HDR10 content.

So, if you're an owner of a 2017 LG OLED model, just active your dynamic contrast settings to 'low', and voila, you now have HDR10+

What a joke.