Star Wars Wars the UOT Strikes Back and OTHER PEZ dispensers

[Moviefan2k4]

Does anyone actually think that Palpatine would've left any evidence around, to show what really happened to Anakin in the Clone Wars? Lucas has said many times, that by the time of the OT, the generally-accepted idea was that Anakin had died in the battle at the Jedi Temple.

[jyenor]

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

Does anyone actually think that Palpatine would've left any evidence around, to show what really happened to Anakin in the Clone Wars? Lucas has said many times, that by the time of the OT, the generally-accepted idea was that Anakin had died in the battle at the Jedi Temple.

It wouldn't be out there how he "died", but he couldn't wipe his very existince off the map because he was literally THE hero to the public of the war. It'd be like trying to erase someone like General Patton from history. It likely was just the offical record that he died at the Jedi Temple.



What is interesting is what would have happened if he wasn't so deformed when Obi-Wan left him?

He'd likely be still known as Anakin Skywalker to the public and seen as the Emperor's right hand man still. But under his real name like how Sidious was still known by Palpatine and Tyrannus was still known as Dooku.

Would make it harder for Obi-Wan to keep Anakin a secret from Luke though.

[Moviefan2k4]

Originally Posted by jyenor

It wouldn't be out there how he "died", but he couldn't wipe his very existince off the map because he was literally THE hero to the public of the war. It'd be like trying to erase someone like General Patton from history. It likely was just the offical record that he died at the Jedi Temple.

Well, whatever the explanation, i think its very likely that very few people knew who Vader really was, and those who did were too scared of him to say anything. Palpatine likely did everything in his power to hide the truth, and Vader had almost completely abandoned his prior life. He even tells Luke on Endor, "That name no longer has any meaning for me."

[jyenor]

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

Well, whatever the explanation, i think its very likely that very few people knew who Vader really was, and those who did were too scared of him to say anything. Palpatine likely did everything in his power to hide the truth, and Vader had almost completely abandoned his prior life. He even tells Luke on Endor, "That name no longer has any meaning for me."

Going into A New Hope likely the only people who knew Anakin Skywalker was alive and now a sith were:
Palpatine
Obi-Wan
Yoda
Bail Organa
R2-D2 (lol)

[Jay444]

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

Does anyone actually think that Palpatine would've left any evidence around, to show what really happened to Anakin in the Clone Wars? Lucas has said many times, that by the time of the OT, the generally-accepted idea was that Anakin had died in the battle at the Jedi Temple.

I agree with you entirely. My thoughts were Palpatine would spare no expense to supress any info of the Jedi or their deeds during the clone wars as it would prevent the general popluation from getting any ideas of Rebellion. It also explains the reaction Solo has when meeting Obi Wan (crazy old man..) and his feelings on the force ('there is no 'force' controlling my actions, its all nonsense...). It represents someone whom has heard nothing but Imperial programming on the subject matter. That they never really had any power to begin. Lies of state run media if you will.

Only thing that hurts this theory is.... for whatever reason... Palpatine left the Jedi temple standing.

[Beowulf85]

Tattooine is a poor, out of way planet - sparsely populated. I think that's why Luke never had the opportunity to look up more information about his father. It's a huge galaxy with thousands upon thousands of star systems, I don't think everyone in the galaxy would know the name Skywalker. As an example, we can agree that the outcome of world war II affected our entire world and lives even to this date. General Patton ( as someone was making an analogy between him and Anakin) was a great hero in that war, and yet I can bet to you that 20 years after, no one would know his name in small, poor out-of-way towns in many places on earth ... I imagine Tattooine to be like that, I think Tattooine wasn't much affected by the clone wars. Luke was completely disconnected from what was going on in the rest of the galaxy, that's why he wanted to get out that rock.

Now let's move back on topic.. What do you guys think about the rumored changes -- I read that Jabba's face in ROTJ is now CGI and that the Sarlaac's beak has been updated... I curious to see Jabba, as combining make-up effect and/or puppets with CGI can look really good if properly done... see what Guillermo del Toro has done in Pan's Labyrinth and the Hellboy movies..

[gallandro]

Originally Posted by Beowulf85

Tattooine is a poor, out of way planet - sparsely populated. I think that's why Luke never had the opportunity to look up more information about his father. It's a huge galaxy with thousands upon thousands of star systems, I don't think everyone in the galaxy would know the name Skywalker. As an example, we can agree that the outcome of world war II affected our entire world and lives even to this date. General Patton ( as someone was making an analogy between him and Anakin) was a great hero in that war, and yet I can bet to you that 20 years after, no one would know his name in small, poor out-of-way towns in many places on earth ... I imagine Tattooine to be like that, I think Tattooine wasn't much affected by the clone wars. Luke was completely disconnected from what was going on in the rest of the galaxy, that's why he wanted to get out that rock.

Now let's move back on topic.. What do you guys think about the rumored changes -- I read that Jabba's face in ROTJ is now CGI and that the Sarlaac's beak has been updated... I curious to see Jabba, as combining make-up effect and/or puppets with CGI can look really good if properly done... see what Guillermo del Toro has done in Pan's Labyrinth and the Hellboy movies..

I could see some articulation of his mouth so it would match better with EPI & EPIV digital Jabba.

Yancy

[Beowulf85]

Originally Posted by gallandro

I could see some articulation of his mouth so it would match better with EPI & EPIV digital Jabba.

Yancy

Nice

[Torgon]

Originally Posted by Beowulf85

Tattooine is a poor, out of way planet - sparsely populated. I think that's why Luke never had the opportunity to look up more information about his father. It's a huge galaxy with thousands upon thousands of star systems, I don't think everyone in the galaxy would know the name Skywalker. As an example, we can agree that the outcome of world war II affected our entire world and lives even to this date. General Patton ( as someone was making an analogy between him and Anakin) was a great hero in that war, and yet I can bet to you that 20 years after, no one would know his name in small, poor out-of-way towns in many places on earth ... I imagine Tattooine to be like that, I think Tattooine wasn't much affected by the clone wars. Luke was completely disconnected from what was going on in the rest of the galaxy, that's why he wanted to get out that rock.

True

[Blu Bull]

True..yes, but there was also a lot of time for Luke to look him up after he got off Tatooine and Obi-Wan told him who his father really was. Besides he figured out Leia was his sister without a picture, why wouldn't he figure the new ghost was his dad? It is "the force" after all.

Besides who is the audience more familiar with?

JL 1 movie
HC 2 movies
SS 15 seconds

[tensionfilter]

Originally Posted by jyenor

Going into A New Hope likely the only people who knew Anakin Skywalker was alive and now a sith were:
Palpatine
Obi-Wan
Yoda
Bail Organa
R2-D2 (lol)

Owen Lars probably should be on this list too. Since he was anti Jedi seeing what it did to his stepbrother.

[Beowulf85]

Originally Posted by Blu Bull

True..yes, but there was also a lot of time for Luke to look him up after he got off Tatooine and Obi-Wan told him who his father really was. Besides he figured out Leia was his sister without a picture, why wouldn't he figure the new ghost was his dad? It is "the force" after all.

Besides who is the audience more familiar with?

JL 1 movie
HC 2 movies
SS 15 seconds

I know, I forgot to mention in my post. I was making that argument in that post to show what my logic is as to why Luke didn't know how his father looked or how he never found out (before Obi-Wan told him) that his father wasn't a navigator on a space freighter. I still can't get used to seeing HC in Return of the Jedi, but I think that story-wise makes sense. Even Obi-Wan mentions that the moment Anakin turned to the dark side, the good man that he was died and he became Darth Vader..." One might argue that Darth Vader repented in the end and he returned to being Anakin Skywalker... both arguements are valid I think, but as Blu Bull has mentioned, we as audience are more familiar with HC as good Anakin, than we are with SS.

[JasonWard]

Anakin and Padme visited the Lars homestead. They might have taken picture. Luke might have looked him up, as stated. Anakin and Obi-Wan were famous according to the ramp up to Revenge of the Sith and all of that material. But none of that matters.

At the end of the day, Luke and Anakin had a psychic connection. They were speaking to one another telepathically. The visual language of the scene with Anakin at the end of Jedi is totally appropriate for this Blu-ray release. Anakin could have been a slug but Luke would know it was him. For the audience, that's the Anakin they know and that's why he looks like that. Luke is seeing the man he was before it all fell apart.

Changing this for the Blu-ray would not make any sense at all. Possible family photos, research by Luke of his famous war hero father, and A POWERFUL PYSHCIC CONNECTION make any arguments about inconsistencies foolish and poorly thought out.

[42041]

Originally Posted by JasonWard

Possible family photos, research by Luke of his famous war hero father, and A POWERFUL PYSHCIC CONNECTION

Sheesh, I have to think about all that to rationalize why Hayden Christensen is now stuck into a 30 year old movie?

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Beowulf85

Even Obi-Wan mentions that the moment Anakin turned to the dark side, the good man that he was died and he became Darth Vader..."

Originally Posted by JasonWard

Luke is seeing the man he was before it all fell apart.

No, Luke is seeing the murdering douchebag who slaughtered women and children and beheaded a prisoner before he turned to the dark side.

I have absolutely no axe to grind with regard to who is or is not in the force ghost family portrait but the notion that Hayden should be there because he represents the 'good Ani' is a complete non-starter.

[gallandro]

Originally Posted by 42041

Sheesh, I have to think about all that to rationalize why Hayden Christensen is now stuck into a 30 year old movie?

How about something like this:






Yancy

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by Jumpman

But see, that's the difference with Lucas. He's not thinking about the aging Star Wars generation with these Special Editions. He's thinking about the generations of new Star Wars fans yet to come who won't have a clue about the theatrical cuts and the Special Editions.

To them, they'll just be Star Wars...and that's what he wants.

Yeah, and if he had his way, he'd erase all of us too and add in a legion of unquestioning fanboys to worship his tripe.

Human Race, the Special Edition.

I love how so many people here talk about filmmakers like they are best buddies with them. "But you see, what James Cameron really wants..."

[octagon]

Originally Posted by gallandro

How about something like this:

[Show spoiler]

Yancy

Don't forget Qui-Gon and Mace

[Blu-Runner]

Originally Posted by Cowboy

Who's mocking? I have changed my position!

Cowboy, you're a good fellow and I like ya. I'm on the same page as you are about the UOT. I agree with 100% of what you say, but you're better than this. Don't stoop to their level.

And I wish that, someday, Lucas would revisit the PT and replace about 20-30% of the movies (key scenes!) with puppets, models, and matte paintings. Maybe then - only then - there would be some understanding and respect from the newbie Star Wars fans.

But it will never happen. Let's just pick and choose our battles, and enjoy those 2006 DVDs.

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by gallandro

How about something like this:

[Show spoiler]

:

Dear god, is that an official shot? I've hated the Hayden paint-over from day one, but now we get a young Obi as well? Look at the expressions on their faces! In the original unaltered shot, the three characters all looked proud of Luke, but now we've got Hayden who looks like he's got dirty thoughts on his mind, Yoda, who is grinning like a two-year-old that just shite himself, and Obi, who looks frustrated that he has to pose for the family Jedi portrait.

Does The Flannel Man wake up every morning, wondering to himself just how much more he can f&%# up what was always fine to begin with?