2025-2026 College Football Thread

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by ChadFL

Fair enough, Ididn't know that stat. In any case I really hope they do run the table. I remember being extremely disappointed back in 2004 when Auburn got royally screwed out of a national title. I really think they were a better team than USC that year with Ronnie Brown and Cadillac Williams at RB and Jason Campbell at QB.

Jason Campbell at QB.
LSU was the school that got screwed that year I think or I may be thinking of a different year. We may need to start going with 2 national champions some years then, one from the coaches' poll and one from the BCS.

[ChadFL]

Originally Posted by Gandalf Stormcrow

Yeah they were an incredible program, long before I was born so I've only known them as a pretty good program and now a bad one. I think part of it is location and that programs across the country have gotten better so the talent pool is stretched further.

Problem there is Minnesota does not have a good pool of HS talent in football. It's more of a baseball and hockey state among younger people. They really have to pickoff a lot of recruits from other states to field a competitive team.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by ChadFL

Problem there is Minnesota does not have a good pool of HS talent in football. It's more of a baseball and hockey state among younger people. They really have to pickoff a lot of recruits from other states to field a competitive team.

Well if you want to go by high school talent, UTEP, NMSU and UNM should be a lot better. Lovington, Mayfield, Las Cruces and Onate(not this year) are usually some of the best high school teams in the country but all our talent runs off to other states, can't say I really blame them though. Hard to compete with what the bigger programs can give students when you're one of the poorest states in the country.

[ChadFL]

Originally Posted by Gandalf Stormcrow

Jason Campbell at QB.
LSU was the school that got screwed that year I think or I may be thinking of a different year. We may need to start going with 2 national champions some years then, one from the coaches' poll and one from the BCS.

Jason Campbell was a terrific college QB. And hell, he's still a lot better pro than other great college QB's like Leinhart. Auburn went 13-0 in 2004 and unfortunately for them the voters put USC and Oklahoma in the title game and left them out since there were 3 major undefeated teams. LSU ost 3 games that year, including losing to Auburn.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by ChadFL

Jason Campbell was a terrific college QB. And hell, he's still a lot better pro than other great college QB's like Leinhart. Auburn went 13-0 in 2004 and unfortunately for them the voters put USC and Oklahoma in the title game and left them out since there were 3 major undefeated teams. LSU ost 3 games that year, including losing to Auburn.

Running QBs excel at the college level but tend to struggle in the NFL, there are exceptions of course. I think it has a lot to do with the speed of defenses, I mean you'd never see an NFL QB throw for 200 yards and run for 200 yards like Vince Young did at the NFL level, at least I don't think you would.

[ChadFL]

Originally Posted by Gandalf Stormcrow

Well if you want to go by high school talent, UTEP, NMSU and UNM should be a lot better. Lovington, Mayfield, Las Cruces and Onate(not this year) are usually some of the best high school teams in the country but all our talent runs off to other states, can't say I really blame them though. Hard to compete with what the bigger programs can give students when you're one of the poorest states in the country.

Well tradition is part of it. My school UCF is the biggest college in a major Florida city (Orlando), which is in a state with one of the greatest pools of HS football talent in the country and even we are still just a CUSA school. Building a good program takes time.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by ChadFL

Well tradition is part of it. My school UCF is the biggest college in a major Florida city (Orlando), which is in a state with one of the greatest pools of HS football talent in the country and even we are still just a CUSA school. Building a good program takes time.

I do wonder if Stanford would be doing this well if USC, UCLA and Cal were any good this year, probably not but we will never know. Still surprised a team of prep school kids is this highly ranked.

[ChadFL]

Originally Posted by Gandalf Stormcrow

Running QBs excel at the college level but tend to struggle in the NFL, there are exceptions of course. I think it has a lot to do with the speed of defenses, I mean you'd never see an NFL QB throw for 200 yards and run for 200 yards like Vince Young did at the NFL level, at least I don't think you would.

There's that and the durability issue. Even if a guy like Vick or Tebow can still run the ball effectively in the NFL they can't take the punishment. There's a BIG difference between getting hit by smaller, weaker college guys and getting your face planted by Ray Lewis or Ed Reed. You saw that with Vick. The guy still has the speed and quickness but he can't go more than a few games without getting hurt playing that way. Tebow won't be any different even if he can prove to be quick enough to run the ball in the NFL, which I doubt is the case anyway.

[toxsic]

Originally Posted by Gandalf Stormcrow

Running QBs excel at the college level but tend to struggle in the NFL, there are exceptions of course. I think it has a lot to do with the speed of defenses, I mean you'd never see an NFL QB throw for 200 yards and run for 200 yards like Vince Young did at the NFL level, at least I don't think you would.

Jason Campbell wasn't a running QB. he was a pure pocket passer.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by ChadFL

There's that and the durability issue. Even if a guy like Vick or Tebow can still run the ball effectively in the NFL they can't take the punishment. There's a BIG difference between getting hit by smaller, weaker college guys and getting your face planted by Ray Lewis or Ed Reed. You saw that with Vick. The guy still has the speed and quickness but he can't go more than a few games without getting hurt playing that way. Tebow won't be any different even if he can prove to be quick enough to run the ball in the NFL, which I doubt is the case anyway.

Honestly as fun as it is to watch your QB tuck the ball and run for 20-30 yards, you'd think someone would teach them to slide, running around head first is just asking to get lit up, stupid Vick. That's why I think that Robinson guy may end up being a decent NFL QB but only for awhile until he starts fearing that inevitable jarring hit while running down the field.

[ChadFL]

Originally Posted by Gandalf Stormcrow

Honestly as fun as it is to watch your QB tuck the ball and run for 20-30 yards, you'd think someone would teach them to slide, running around head first is just asking to get lit up, stupid Vick. That's why I think that Robinson guy may end up being a decent NFL QB but only for awhile until he starts fearing that inevitable jarring hit while running down the field.

I have to wonder if Denver is teaching Tebow. He rarely ever slid at Florida. He'd either run it out of bounds with his quickness of dive over guys. In the NFL he won't be able to do either and if he tries to jump over guys like Ray Lewis he'll get killed. With the way Denver is playing we might find out soon enough. I'm just not expecting much out of him as a pro. Denver made a real stretch taking him 1st round.

But ya, gimme a passing QB anyday. Running QB's rarely win Super Bowls.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by ChadFL

I have to wonder if Denver is teaching Tebow. He rarely ever slid at Florida. He'd either run it out of bounds with his quickness of dive over guys. In the NFL he won't be able to do either and if he tries to jump over guys like Ray Lewis he'll get killed. With the way Denver is playing we might find out soon enough. I'm just not expecting much out of him as a pro. Denver made a real stretch taking him 1st round.

But ya, gimme a passing QB anyday. Running QB's rarely win Super Bowls.

AP
1 Oregon (44) 7-0 1480
2 Boise State (11) 6-0 1419
3 Auburn (3) 8-0 1376
4 TCU (2) 8-0 1354
5 Michigan State 8-0 1175
6 Alabama 7-1 1173
7 Missouri 7-0 1121
8 Utah 7-0 1098
9 Wisconsin 7-1 1022
10 Ohio State 7-1 931
11 Oklahoma 6-1 861
BCS
1 Auburn 8-0
2 Oregon 7-0
3 Boise State 6-0
4 TCU 8-0
5 Michigan State 8-0
6 Missouri 7-0
7 Alabama 7-1
8 Utah 7-0
9 Oklahoma 6-1
10 Wisconsin 7-1
11 Ohio State 7-1
Interesting...Wisconsin sure has jumped up thanks to the whupping they gave now 11 or 10th ranked OSU.

[Moviefan1203]

The Heisman is turning into a two horse race between Newton and James, both those guys are putting up insane stats. The funny thing is how neither team can play much defense, which is really helping to pad their stats. I'll tell you one thing, the mood in Miami is very negative these days. Right now the athletic director and president are saying all the right things, but you have to wonder if they will change their tune once the season is over. You really can't put this loss on Shannon, but the season as a whole has been a huge disappointment. With the talent we have, we should be contending for a national title and not be looking at an 8-4 season. It's embarrassing and humiliating.

[fatediesel]

Originally Posted by Gandalf Stormcrow

Yeah they were an incredible program, long before I was born so I've only known them as a pretty good program and now a bad one. I think part of it is location and that programs across the country have gotten better so the talent pool is stretched further.

The thing is Minnesota has a decent location. It's in Minneapolis, one of the bigger cities in the Big 10 which has a good downtown and teams from all 4 major sports. It has a brand new on-campus stadium. Compare that to the University of Iowa, which is in Iowa City, a fairly small town without much to do. It goes to show how important coaching and recruiting are. Iowa has done a great job recruiting and turning one or two star walk-on recruits into stars. Dallas Clark and Robert Gallery were low-level recruits that the Iowa coaching staff turned into first round picks.

[Moviefan1203]

It's going to be interesting after the season, we have the potential to have two very high profile job openings at Miami and Michigan. You have to think Michigan is going to be sniffing around Les Miles if they do in fact fire Rodriguez. As for Miami, I'm not sure which direction they would go. It's a very attractive opening, but they have some very good assistants within the program that would be a huge improvement over Randy Shannon. I'm sure they will throw an offer at Mark Richt and/or Butch Davis, but someone like Michael Barrow would not be a surprise hire at all. He's probably the best assistant in the program, he's a fantastic recruiter, and he's a ball of passion and fire. (Which is something we desperately need right now)

[ChadFL]

Originally Posted by Gandalf Stormcrow

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BCS
1 Auburn 8-0
2 Oregon 7-0
3 Boise State 6-0
4 TCU 8-0
5 Michigan State 8-0
6 Missouri 7-0
7 Alabama 7-1
8 Utah 7-0
9 Oklahoma 6-1
10 Wisconsin 7-1
11 Ohio State 7-1
Interesting...Wisconsin sure has jumped up thanks to the whupping they gave now 11 or 10th ranked OSU.

I have a feeling that if TCU runs the table they'll edge out Boise St. in the BCS rankings. Right now Boise is only ahead .8846 to .8833. Thing is TCU still has to play @ undefeated Utah while the onl decent team Boise has left is Nevada. That would seem to give TCU an edge bases on strength of schedule.

[supersix4]

Originally Posted by ChadFL

I have a feeling that if TCU runs the table they'll edge out Boise St. in the BCS rankings. Right now Boise is only ahead .8846 to .8833. Thing is TCU still has to play @ undefeated Utah while the onl decent team Boise has left is Nevada. That would seem to give TCU an edge bases on strength of schedule.

I wonder if these ranking ended the year if the BCS would put Boise and TCU together again

[ChadFL]

Originally Posted by supersix4

I wonder if these ranking ended the year if the BCS would put Boise and TCU together again

Well right now the pecking order of 1-loss major conf teams in the BCS is:
1. Alabama
2. Oklahoma
3. Wisconsin
4. Ohio St.
5. LSU

That's not a very strong bunch. If both Auburn and Oregon lose and Alabama wins out I think we'll have Boise or TCU vs. Alabama for the championship.

But if Oregon, Auburn and Alabama all lose a game going forward I do unfortunately think we could see Boise vs. TCU for the championship. Though Oklahoma could slip into the title game under that scenario.

[fatediesel]

Originally Posted by Moviefan1203

It's going to be interesting after the season, we have the potential to have two very high profile job openings at Miami and Michigan. You have to think Michigan is going to be sniffing around Les Miles if they do in fact fire Rodriguez. As for Miami, I'm not sure which direction they would go. It's a very attractive opening, but they have some very good assistants within the program that would be a huge improvement over Randy Shannon. I'm sure they will throw an offer at Mark Richt and/or Butch Davis, but someone like Michael Barrow would not be a surprise hire at all. He's probably the best assistant in the program, he's a fantastic recruiter, and he's a ball of passion and fire. (Which is something we desperately need right now)

I don't think there's any way Miami goes after Butch Davis. He's going to get fired by North Carolina and will virtually be unhireable. Way too many violations have occurred at North Carolina under his watch and no team will touch him. I'm not certain if Shannon will be fired anyway. I forgot that he signed a contract extension earlier this year so it would probably be very expensive to fire him. If they do fire Shannon Barrow is certainly a possibility as he would be much cheaper than a big name and is popular with former players.

I think Michigan's top choice would be Michigan grad Jim Harbaugh. He's taken Stanford from the bottom of the barrel to a Pac-10 contender despite their tough academic requirements. Harbaugh might have burned some bridges at Michigan a few years ago when he insulted their academics but boosters would forgive that. I just don't know if Harbaugh would even listen to the Wolverines. I think he might have NFL aspirations and could be a hot candidate this winter, plus he seems pretty happy at Stanford. I don't think Les Miles is the hot candidate he was 2 years ago. A lot of people think he's not a great coach and won a national title thanks to Nick Saban leaving a full cupboard and Miles recent history hasn't done much to dispel that thinking. I think Rich Rod might get one more year though because they might not want to bring in a new system with Denard Robinson coming back next year. Still, if they end up 6-6, which is my guess, I think they beat Purdue and lose their other games, they might not feel like they have a choice and fire Rodriguez.

[supersix4]

Originally Posted by fatediesel

I think Rich Rod might get one more year though because they might not want to bring in a new system with Denard Robinson coming back next year. Still, if they end up 6-6, which is my guess, I think they beat Purdue and lose their other games, they might not feel like they have a choice and fire Rodriguez.

I really thought he'd have had a team together better then he does now although his defenses at WV were never great... I mean WV was a terrible program before he got there... I guess he'll get 1 more chance and then he'll be done.