Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

And subscription streaming makes up for that will just keep bumping monthly or annual rates higher. There will come a day that alchav21 will be living on the street with a hat asking for money for maintaining his streaming habit! Old habits die hard.

Thanks JohnAV I'm already there, my FTTH is not cheap but my hat is full and keeps me in the chips. I have no caps and a very good ISP that is tied to the Telecom Fiber Backbone through CenturyLink. Nothing but Green Lights on this Rail System, like Vilya would say......Making my Streaming Fantastic!

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by cgpublic

That's true, all the present stuff will be obsolete.

While most people will be watching 8K content including day and date new releases streamed to their computers, tablets and phones, those rollable screens paired with those just announced AirPods or HomePods with Atmos are sure to be big sellers for group viewing.

Ha ha ha ha ha
Good one

Homepods with Atmos? Phones with 8k? While these are possible they wont make much better things obsolete at all. When my local IMAX theater upgrades to using an iPhone and HomePod I’ll be dumpster diving for all that obsolete AV gear.

[Lee A Stewart]

Report: Young Adults Willing to Buy PVOD Movies

Premium video-on-demand, affording consumers concurrent access to new-release theatrical movies in the home, has been resurrected from its deathbed by studios as a distribution alternative with the coronavirus pandemic shuttering movie theaters.

New data from Hub Entertainment Research finds PVOD is embraced by young consumers, with more than 60% of survey respondents (18-34 years old) indicating they would probably pay to stream a just-released movie.

That interest is nearly non-existent among older consumers (35+), with just 12% indicating interest and only 2% saying they would “definitely” pay for PVOD.

The data comes from Hub’s “Monetizing Video” study, conducted in June among 2,036 U.S. consumers with broadband, age 16-74, who watch at least 1 hour of TV per week.

https://www.mediaplaynews.com/report...t-pvod-movies/

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by bhampton

Homepods with Atmos?

I get the impression that some here are not even aware there exist a world of hardware that you will not find in box stores and most online outlets. Audio here, video here, some accessories here.

[Vilya]

Quibi falters:

Is Anyone Watching Quibi? The streaming platform raised $1.75 billion and secured a roster of A-list talent, but it can’t get audiences to notice.

https://www.vulture.com/2020/07/is-a...ing-quibi.html

"Quibi’s future seemed unlimited, and for a moment, when it launched on April 6, it looked as if all of Katzenberg’s glorious predictions might come to pass. That first day, the Quibi app rose to No. 3 in Apple’s App Store."

"Instead, Quibi has foundered. The app’s ranking dropped to No. 284 by mid-June."

Katzenjammer, er Katzenberg, blames the pandemic for Quibi's lackluster results despite other streaming platforms seeing a big boost as a result of the same crisis.

"But plenty of streaming companies have seen the stay-at-home orders as a boon: Instagram Live is surging, and mobile-phone use is up, with shocked iPhone users posting screen-time reports graphing dramatic spikes."

Jimmy Kimmel pretty much sums it up:

"Jimmy Kimmel, hosting a virtual version of Disney-ABC’s annual upfront, said, “Here I am, standing here like a f***ing fool with nobody watching. I feel like every show on Quibi right now.”

[alchav21]

To Brighten Your Day here is more information on that new Codec H.266. Like I said Streaming will achieve that Disc like Quality!

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.ph...broadband.html

[Lee A Stewart]

The fall of Quibi: how did a starry $1.75bn Netflix rival crash so fast?

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-r...tzenberg-crash

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by alchav21

To Brighten Your Day here is more information on that new Codec H.266. Like I said Streaming will achieve that Disc like Quality!

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.ph...broadband.html

Not in the cards. Sorry. It's main purpose is to halve the required Mbps for HD and 4K via streaming along with ATSC 3.0 broadcasts. Same video quality as today only 50% less Mbps needed.

You want high quality video? Buy/rent discs.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

To Brighten Your Day here is more information on that new Codec H.266. Like I said Streaming will achieve that Disc like Quality!

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.ph...broadband.html

Advances in codecs benefit all formats, not just streaming. H.266 could make for a better disc, too.

And before you celebrate consider your article's closing comment:

"The big caveat in all this is that such changes tend to require ever faster computer processors (CPU), which can make backwards compatibility with some older devices (e.g. particularly internet connected TVs, Smartphones, set-top-boxes etc.) a bit more problematic. Generally, it tends to take a few years for any new standard to fully propagate and so we may have to wait a bit longer before the benefits start to be realised."

No new codec changes the fact that content sometimes gets removed and censored on streaming services. Only owning a physical copy preserves the artistic integrity of the movie and TV show.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Not in the cards. Sorry. It's main purpose is to halve the required Mbps for HD and 4K via streaming along with ATSC 3.0 broadcasts. Same video quality as today only 50% less Mbps needed.

You want high quality video? Buy/rent discs.

Exactly. It saves the streaming services money by requiring less bandwidth to deliver the same quality that they currently offer. It is beyond optimistic to think that they intend to improve their streaming quality. They do not need to improve anything; their easily satisfied customers are already happy.

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by alchav21

To Brighten Your Day here is more information on that new Codec H.266. Like I said Streaming will achieve that Disc like Quality!

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.ph...broadband.html

I want to just take a moment to congratulate you for finally acknowledging that streaming does not equal disc quality. I think that’s enough progress for today

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Advances in codecs benefit all formats, not just streaming. H.266 could make for a better disc, too.

And before you celebrate consider your article's closing comment:

"The big caveat in all this is that such changes tend to require ever faster computer processors (CPU), which can make backwards compatibility with some older devices (e.g. particularly internet connected TVs, Smartphones, set-top-boxes etc.) a bit more problematic. Generally, it tends to take a few years for any new standard to fully propagate and so we may have to wait a bit longer before the benefits start to be realised."

No new codec changes the fact that content sometimes gets removed and censored on streaming services. Only owning a physical copy preserves the artistic integrity of the movie and TV show.

They would have to create a new disc format to handle VVC. New players too. No way is that going to happen. Not with diminishing sales.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

They would have to create a new disc format to handle VVC. New players too. No way is that going to happen. Not with diminishing sales.

I'm not holding my breath for any new and more advanced discs or disc players; it is just a hypothetical.

As there is no significant amount of 8K content, I don't see streaming providing it anytime soon. Even if they did offer 8K content with H.266 it would use twice the bandwidth of 4K content with H.265. Even with H.266, watching 8K content would annihilate internet data caps for the many of us that endure them.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I'm not holding my breath for any new and more advanced discs or disc players; it is just a hypothetical.

As there is no significant amount of 8K content, I don't see streaming providing it anytime soon. Even if they did offer 8K content with H.266 it would use twice the bandwidth of 4K content with H.265. Even with H.266, watching 8K content would annihilate internet data caps for the many of us that endure them.

Think 4K not 8K. VVC IMO isn't enough for 8K. 8k requires at least 4X the Mbps as 4K does.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Think 4K not 8K. VVC IMO isn't enough for 8K. 8k requires at least 4X the Mbps as 4K does.

I was comparing 8K with H.266 to that of 4K offered today with H.265. H.266 reduces bandwidth by half. Half of four times is two times.

When the codecs used are the same, then, yes, 8K uses four times as much Mbps as does 4K, but when 4K is offered with H.265, as it is now, versus 8K with H.266, the increase in Mbps should just be twice as much. H.266 is twice as efficient as H.265.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

The fall of Quibi: how did a starry $1.75bn Netflix rival crash so fast?

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-r...tzenberg-crash

Notionally, Quibi endeavored to industrialize a new frontier of television: short-form narratives – that is, episodes of 15 minutes or less – at its shortest and most expansive.

That is the same manner as that not all there AT&T manager who that thought he could break up episodes of HBO to be more brief so to be attract to mobile users. (no one like that idea)

Look at their web page its very implied what the target market is.

That and the fact that YouTube already caters to watching short forms of all forms of content.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by alchav21

To Brighten Your Day here is more information on that new Codec H.266. Like I said Streaming will achieve that Disc like Quality!

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.ph...broadband.html

Nothing has changed:

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Netflix continues to look at ways to reduce streaming data rates. Several things I have streamed lately at 1080 has a data rate of just 3.85 mbps. They have openly stated they want viewers with mobile devices to be able to view their content and not use up too much data.

The entire game for streaming video is less data, not more. The Netflix ISP Speed Index for June here. Comcast, the leaded, has a speed (4.13 mbps) that is about half that of a DVD.

The name of the streaming game is not better picture and sound, it is to make more money. Not sure why you have such a problem understanding that it cost a lot of money to store and transport a lot of data.

As to H.266, try to find a decoder on silicon, it will be some time before hardware becomes available that will be H.266 capable.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I was comparing 8K with H.266 to that of 4K offered today with H.265. H.266 reduces bandwidth by half. Half of four times is two times.

When the codecs used are the same, then, yes, 8K uses four times as much Mbps as does 4K, but when 4K is offered with H.265, as it is now, versus 8K with H.266, the increase in Mbps should just be twice as much. H.266 is twice as efficient as H.265.

VVC does not offer a straight 50% reduction. It's up to 50%.

https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/...tep-towards-8k

[Steedeel]

I was surprised to learn today that all the minerals that are mined for smartphones, TVs, tablets, computers etc.. are probably going to run out in a 20 year timespan. What does that mean for our equipment? Some of those minerals are absolutely essential and don’t have replacements. Yet more environmental stuff to worry about.

I also learned that mining for Gold, copper etc.. is a huge risk factor for another Coronavirus because of the exposure to animals in the habitat. it seems huge reform needs to take place to make it less of a risk factor.

Is it going to be worth living after 2040? We will probably go back to marbles and hide and seek for entertainment.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I was surprised to learn today that all the minerals that are mined for smartphones, TVs, tablets, computers etc.. are probably going to run out in a 20 year timespan. What does that mean for our equipment? Some of those minerals are absolutely essential and don’t have replacements. Yet more environmental stuff to worry about.

I also learned that mining for Gold, copper etc.. is a huge risk factor for another Coronavirus because of the exposure to animals in the habitat. it seems huge reform needs to take place to make it less of a risk factor.

Is it going to be worth living after 2040? We will probably go back to marbles and hide and seek for entertainment.

You are talking about rare earth minerals/elements. Currently, the best way to secure them is recycling. As you know tech changes so quickly we have become a throw-away society. This won't change. In fact it may accelerate so no reason to be too concerned.