The Dark Knight Rises (2012)

[kemcha]

I'll probably eventually pick this one up but most likely after it has went on sale for $10 or $15.

[Early Memphis]

Originally Posted by Bukax42

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison.php?id=5544

35 mm scenes are ugly as hell. Halos are in EVERY shot, sharpening is awful.

Trailers looks great because they came from 4K Digital Intermediate.

You're just providing the same link that Cook already kindly provided. Do you think that I didn't look at it before posting? Or can you just not accept that not everyone agrees with you? As I said, reasonably, pick a section, crop it and - like they say in Missouri - show me what you called "35 mm scenes ... ugly as hell ... (with) ... Halos ... in EVERY shot, sharpening is awful".

Three things:
1) The "beige" picture (labeled "Blu-Ray" by Cook) looks much better to me than the foggy "blue crush" "Theatrical" crap (in both sizes) - just to be sure we're talking about the same pictures. Sorry, but as I said, I see no egregious edge enhancement or ringing, I see focus and clarity. Maybe I just like beige more than murky blue.
2) As has been stated here before - and is the "official" stance of this site - you can't tell diddly from screen caps. They're a poor representation of actual moving pictures and often introduce their own problems. My comment, purely for discussion purposes, pertained to those two pictures and those two pictures only. As I said, I haven't seen the movie - and won't until my pre-ordered trilogy arrives.
3) Some folks really like to go off about what they saw in the theater. Reviewers often talk of how Blu-rays and DVDs compare to what they saw in theaters. Well, all theaters are not the same. They have different quality projectors, screens and sound systems, few are "tuned" or even cleaned regularly - and prints vary in quality and wear unevenly. Frankly, IMHO, most theaters suck. Lucky are the few that have a world-class theater nearby.

[Aragorn the Elfstone]

I've never understood the whole "you can't tell anything from screencaps! You have to see the disc in motion!" thing. I've found screencaps to be extraordinarily reliable.

If Edge Enhancement and DNR show up in screencaps, they're not going to magically disappear once the disc is in motion.

Oh, and the transfer for the 35mm scenes in TDK does look like @$$. Anybody who doesn't see that needs glasses. Though, admittedly, the trailer's color scheme isn't right either - WB color corrected the trailer footage themselves from a digital intermediate. The look of the film in theaters was different, but not with the boosted contrast of the BD.

[Daredevil666]

Originally Posted by Indiana Jones

Yes it is, can't fit a 150 minute film on a single layer disc.

You can with compression. Since both Batman Begins and The Dark Knight were crapastic Blu-ray and DVDs, one has to wonder if they did it again this time. (TDK was as DVD-9 thought, but one can't be sure if Warner did it right the way the movie was treated on both Blu and DVD ie unwatchable mess)

[rashad30]

As excellent as I remember.

[shovelware69]

Originally Posted by Early Memphis

I see no egregious edge enhancement or ringing, I see focus and clarity.

[Indiana Jones]

Originally Posted by HDvision

You can with compression. Since both Batman Begins and The Dark Knight were crapastic Blu-ray and DVDs, one has to wonder if they did it again this time. (TDK was as DVD-9 thought, but one can't be sure if Warner did it right the way the movie was treated on both Blu and DVD ie unwatchable mess)

True you could compress it to hell and fit it on a single layer disc but did you really expect Warner to release one of their biggest films of the year on anything but a DVD9.

And I can't agree that the Blurays of Batman Begins and Dark Knight are craptastic, they could do with improvement but they are far from unwatchable.

[Bukax42]

Originally Posted by Early Memphis

You're just providing the same link that Cook already kindly provided. Do you think that I didn't look at it before posting? Or can you just not accept that not everyone agrees with you? As I said, reasonably, pick a section, crop it and - like they say in Missouri - show me what you called "35 mm scenes ... ugly as hell ... (with) ... Halos ... in EVERY shot, sharpening is awful".

Have you seen TDK on Blu-ray or you havent'? Because I did and I'm not talking only about screenshots, I'm talking about what I see on my TV.

Yes, it is High Definition image, like 100 times better than crappy DVD, but this movie deserves a better class of transfer. Without halos in every shot, without ugly sharpening, with real, natural grain and contrast.

[Daredevil666]

Originally Posted by Indiana Jones

True you could compress it to hell and fit it on a single layer disc but did you really expect Warner to release one of their biggest films of the year on anything but a DVD9.

And I can't agree that the Blurays of Batman Begins and Dark Knight are craptastic, they could do with improvement but they are far from unwatchable.

They are to me. I know a DVD9 only cost like 2 cents more by copy when it comes to huge runs, but some companies aren't afraid os saving a couple of hundred of bucks on tentpole release. They did mess up BB which is a Blu with like 720p resolution (reducing the footage to 720p and then blowing it up to 1080p shows no loss in resolution) and TDKR which is unwatchable either on DVD or Blu with all the ringing and crush. They need to reissue both of those, DKR quality style.

And don't tell they don't have to because they are too recent, they have millions of bucks to rack in by reissuing remastered versions of their previous crappy discs. That they don't do it just shows idiotic decisions and that anyone with the power to do it, but won't, should be fired for making the company lose money.

Every other film is like reissued every couple of years, remastered, but somehow any true movie that needs it won't and is just repackaged. Scratching heads.

[Tech-UK]

Early Memphis, what is your display, has it been calibrated? From where I sit TDK's 35mm elements look awful! This is not personal opinion, its just fact.

[42041]

Originally Posted by Early Memphis

1) The "beige" picture (labeled "Blu-Ray" by Cook) looks much better to me than the foggy "blue crush" "Theatrical" crap (in both sizes) - just to be sure we're talking about the same pictures. Sorry, but as I said, I see no egregious edge enhancement or ringing, I see focus and clarity. Maybe I just like beige more than murky blue.

Are you watching them on an iphone screen?
This isn't one of those opinion things: you are just wrong. That image is sharpened like crazy, with the resultant harsh, ugly look.

[AreaUnderTheCurve]

I'm watching TDK now. I'll take a decent amount of lossless screens to show how horrible the transfer is.

[Bukax42]

Originally Posted by AreaUnderTheCurve

I'm watching TDK now. I'll take a decent amount of lossless screens to show how horrible the transfer is.

Can you compare them with some 35mm shots from this trailer?

http://pdl.warnerbros.com/wbmovies/t...3_1080.wmv.zip

[AreaUnderTheCurve]

Originally Posted by Bukax42

Can you compare them with some 35mm shots from this trailer?

http://pdl.warnerbros.com/wbmovies/t...3_1080.wmv.zip

I'll just make comparison shots of the trailer. But it was already noted that the trailer was color timed.

[Bukax42]

I know, but it still be interesting in terms of image quality.

[AreaUnderTheCurve]

Originally Posted by Bukax42

I know, but it still be interesting in terms of image quality.

I'll actually use the second disc with the trailers to make comparisons instead of the file you linked me to.

[Bukax42]

Great. Thanks, can't wait for your comparisons.

[Indiana Jones]

Originally Posted by HDvision

And don't tell they don't have to because they are too recent, they have millions of bucks to rack in by reissuing remastered versions of their previous crappy discs. That they don't do it just shows idiotic decisions and that anyone with the power to do it, but won't, should be fired for making the company lose money.

Every other film is like reissued every couple of years, remastered, but somehow any true movie that needs it won't and is just repackaged. Scratching heads.

I already agreed both Batman Begins (HD-DVD port) and The Dark Knight (IMAX master with processed 35mm footage) could do with new scans? hopefully the Ultimate Edition next year will give us that.

[Early Memphis]

Originally Posted by 42041

Are you watching them on an iphone screen?
This isn't one of those opinion things: you are just wrong. That image is sharpened like crazy, with the resultant harsh, ugly look.

Originally Posted by Tech-UK

Early Memphis, what is your display, has it been calibrated? From where I sit TDK's 35mm elements look awful! This is not personal opinion, its just fact.

Guys, that's your opinion (a view, judgment or appraisal formed in the mind about a particular matter). I don't knock you for seeing things that way ( ?), why should it put a bug up your butts that someone else sees things differently? It's a free country ... well, not really, but it's supposed to be.

Originally Posted by Bukax42

Have you seen TDK on Blu-ray or you havent'? Because I did and I'm not talking only about screenshots, I'm talking about what I see on my TV.
Yes, it is High Definition image, like 100 times better than crappy DVD, but this movie deserves a better class of transfer. Without halos in every shot, without ugly sharpening, with real, natural grain and contrast.

Yes, but I can't test it again until I get the trilogy. I replaced my original DVDs with Blu-rays, then I got steelbooks and sold or traded my regular Blu-rays. The steelbooks are sealed and I'm going to sell them to help pay for the trilogy, so I'm not opening them now.
In any case, again, I was commenting on the two screenshots, not the movie. For all the folks frothing at the idea that someone disagrees with them (what is this, a religion?), not one person has posted one single screenshot of a halo. Are they mystical? Are they like bigfoot or those aliens who simply can't be photographed?

Why must we all be in lockstep agreement? If anyone wants insist that their opinion is fact and not opinion (a belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof), provide evidence or accept that everyone will never agree on everything.

[AreaUnderTheCurve]

Originally Posted by Bukax42

Great. Thanks, can't wait for your comparisons.

It's going to be a pain in the ass because some takes are different and some are longer in the trailer.