Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Yes I agree with Vilya on this one, Sony did it right with the Android Apps. I can access and have no problems with all my Streaming Providers. The only one I can't access is AppleTV, and no loss there.

Which is quite hilarious because Apple TV movies are said to be the best quality of all the streaming/VOD services.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by cgpublic

Actually, both Greyhound with Tom Hanks and Defending Jacob with Chris Evans were excellent.

And Issac Asimov’s Foundation with Jared Harris and Lee Pace is coming next year, and that will be a must watch.

The trailer is fantastic.

Greyhound, fantastic? You are easilly pleased.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

The Grim Reaper of Physical Media has deigned to visit us; lucky us.

Your Best Buy story is just as anecdotal and just as meaningless.

Physical media sales, all formats, in the U.S. hit $637.78 million after just the 1st quarter of 2020. The second quarter report should be out soon, but if we look at the weekly reports posted in the Home Video Sales thread since the first quarter, from page 68 onward, we can get an idea as where to sales stand.

https://www.degonline.org/portfolio_...inment-report/

Since the week ending April 4th through the week ending July 11th, physical media has made an additional $616.92 million bringing the yearly running total to approx. $1.2547 billion. That $616.92 is not all that much lower than what we saw in the first quarter of 2020 which was economically pre-pandemic.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...273322&page=68

Blu-ray sales last year, which include 4K discs, were 47.2% of total sales last year. If that same general percentage applies this year, then blu-ray sales would be about $592.2 million as of July 11th. There is plenty of time for blu-ray sales alone to crack your arbitrary $1 billion threshold.

Taking these numbers into the context of a pandemic and record high unemployment is also important. It is harder to buy discs, or any luxuries, when so many people are out of work or that are subsisting on reduced hours and pay. Factor in also that there are no brand new big budget movies being released in theaters and that further dampens sales. There has always been a correlation between box office performance and disc sales and we all know what has happened to box office receipts.

I also am not worried about physical media and none of your stock & trade doom & gloominess has ever caused me any. My collection as it stands right now will keep me entertained for many, many years. With this pandemic eliminating most brand new content, it has allowed me to really expand my collection of catalog titles. A small silver lining in this pandemic cloud.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Greyhound, fantastic? You are easilly pleased.

I have every interest in seeing Greyhound myself, so my judgment is reserved until I do so. Have you actually seen it or is this your trailer inspired impression?

[slimjean]

I don't mean to spam again, but my post I think is just as relevant here. Make of it as you will.

REPOST

First of all with everything that is going on now, I don't see anyone can take what is reported seriously. Walmart Costco and other discount stores are all that are running. Obviously they are not exactly breaking their backs to get what is considered a "premium" product its just due shelf space and promotion. There is just no money in it. What they are doing is selling off their backlog while keeping the shelves stocked with essential items. This is totally taking advantage of smaller stores that cannot compete (and may not ever compete again) and would be the last gasp when it comes to physical product sold on a store front brick and mortar situation. DVD is king, yeah sure, when you are competing against something that has been severely gutted and running with leg weights.

Of course is this the full picture. Absolutely not.

The DEG is a private industry based on another private industrial data the NPD. There is no federal regulation when it comes to reporting to them or the NPD. Matte of fact, a lot of their research is based on voluntary payment plans. We pay you 5 bucks, you tell us what you watch. The same is true with retail, while a mutually benefit service, it isn't reality of what is going on in the private market place.

Lets look at the RIAA or the Box Office Mojo. Both interesting PRIVATE services, but never ever have they truly taken inflation into account when they post their daily, weekly, monthly, yearly American numbers. Yes yes, there are some global figures, and there is also inflation nods, but that isn't what is going on here.

The RIAA for instance will give all respect to sales from discounted box sets in a big box store like Walmart, but will disqualify older formats like E.P. sales because of play length standards that they make up, or price parameters that pit dollar amounts from 50 years ago to to today. It isn't accurate. The same I can put on to Box Office numbers where screens to percentage of population, inflation, and a million other reasons.

Netflix for instance is the same story. They often count "viewership" as when someone watches 15 minutes of a program or even worse case when they fast forwarded through it! Youtube, same story. A unit sold is described as a subscriber where they basically have tons of content at their finger tips at discounted prices. Reminds me of the RIAA and their league minimum for counting box set sales. So if one exploits the system and sells a box set for 30 bucks and they have albums that reach that minum at 3 bucks a bop, that is 10 units for every 30 dollars spent? And we are comparing this with the sales of yesteryear where prices when adjusted for inflation were in the stratosphere?

The difference with optical media is that you have a secondary market. They can sell the same thing over and over and none of that is tracked by the NPD. The same is true for boutique labels who are not required to report by the federal government of the United States much less world groups that are under the radar. Where do we even begin when it comes to the market where they get their retail legit, but yet those sales are not tracked either.

Yet every time a streaming service gets a new subscriber that is tracked because how is there any other way to cut it? Of course repeat customer paired with suspended discounts, we can ignore all that.

Piracy is a serious issue, and the burn it, and resell it game is real. Is there stealing on both sides of course (like sharing usernames). Though I would never equate the two. One is paying for air, and another is paying for physical product. With no investment, it is equivalent to watching a commercial. The value is only in the eyes of perception (like does little Johnny really want those Snacky Cakes or is it just the trend of the day that will flip to whoever pushes the bells and whistles for tomorrow).

How can you have accuracy with such dubious claims by a private group? Quite simply you can't.

Arrow, Vinegar Syndrome, Criterion, Shout Factory, Signal One, 88 Films, Severin, what if they are not reporting? Wouldn't that skew this research just a bit?

Of course units sold just like the RIAA has its own problems. When a company like Twilight Time had their last bow sale I am sure that their units sold went through the roof. So much so, that the people crying over not getting their orders escalated congruently. A unit is a unit, but I can flat out guarantee that none of that was counted in the DEG report.

Funny though, because while one could point to the fact that Twilight Time was losing money, and probably went completely negative with these sales (much like Netflix continues to do while feeding the licensing cost monster), a unit sold is a unit sold right?

One of the things that always annoys me is how are they counting these DVD sales anyway? When you buy a bluray you are saddled with a DVD. Yet there are often DVD's that are sold by themselves (more so than bluray). Have we ever guaranteed that those sales were separated properly? Does a person that is buying a bluray and chucks the DVD aside or leaves it on their shelves to collect dust really deserve to have their sale counted in the grand total? How about if someone sells off that DVD and turns that money into a bluray sale later is that reflected, or is that now another sale for another DVD because again they are stuck with the bundled version?

While the opposite is always true, I don't think Joe Public is having this scenario as often with bluray. Of course I haven't even got into the horrors of a bundled digital version playing into units sold figures as well.

When you subscribe to a service you have none of these skewed data problems.

These weekly reports are a guideline at best IMHO. If you want to get to brass tacks, look to the internet not the big box. If you really want to get down to it, look to collector's labels and their profit margins, not the discounted used up put it out there anyway they can by major labels.

Lets get back to the 4K box set which is absolutely a discount project. Do the rules apply to Sony where each box set sold is counted as 7 units? Of course not. It is one unit and how could that ever compete against one unit of something that costs 3 dollars on DVD?

Taking anything that the big companies are reporting now is just not realistic. In times like these you are lucky to get anything close to the truth. Industrial reporting is so clouded, one has to look at the motivation of lining your own pockets vs telling your competition what you are really doing.

Well sorry to be long winded, but there truly needs to be some balance with this. Not that the future of bluray needs it. The format is doing just fine and the same goes for 4K. While the big companies want to control everything you see and consume, the collectors have always prevailed in their own way. It is a fantastic time as far as I am concerned. Btw, did I mention that a lot of new content sucks anyway?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I have every interest in seeing Greyhound myself, so my judgment is reserved until I do so. Have you actually seen it or is this your trailer inspired impression?

No, I was invited to watch it. Not my house, my rules don’t apply!

It was ok, not a keeper if/when we ever get a disc. Mind you, I have been spoilt with war films lately after the superb ‘Come And See’ and my catalogue purchase of ‘Empire Of The Sun’.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Your Best Buy story is just as anecdotal and just as meaningless.

Don't know how it is anywhere else, but at least here with shops needing to limit the number of customers, disinfect everything touched b y them, and line-ups in front of store of people waiting to get in. I can imagine some shops limiting access to stuff that people usually browse through while they keep inventory in back for pickup.

But some people will always read what they want in any situation.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by slimjean

I don't mean to spam again, but my post I think is just as relevant here. Make of it as you will.

[Show spoiler]REPOST

First of all with everything that is going on now, I don't see anyone can take what is reported seriously. Walmart Costco and other discount stores are all that are running. Obviously they are not exactly breaking their backs to get what is considered a "premium" product its just due shelf space and promotion. There is just no money in it. What they are doing is selling off their backlog while keeping the shelves stocked with essential items. This is totally taking advantage of smaller stores that cannot compete (and may not ever compete again) and would be the last gasp when it comes to physical product sold on a store front brick and mortar situation. DVD is king, yeah sure, when you are competing against something that has been severely gutted and running with leg weights.

Of course is this the full picture. Absolutely not.

The DEG is a private industry based on another private industrial data the NPD. There is no federal regulation when it comes to reporting to them or the NPD. Matte of fact, a lot of their research is based on voluntary payment plans. We pay you 5 bucks, you tell us what you watch. The same is true with retail, while a mutually benefit service, it isn't reality of what is going on in the private market place.

Lets look at the RIAA or the Box Office Mojo. Both interesting PRIVATE services, but never ever have they truly taken inflation into account when they post their daily, weekly, monthly, yearly American numbers. Yes yes, there are some global figures, and there is also inflation nods, but that isn't what is going on here.

The RIAA for instance will give all respect to sales from discounted box sets in a big box store like Walmart, but will disqualify older formats like E.P. sales because of play length standards that they make up, or price parameters that pit dollar amounts from 50 years ago to to today. It isn't accurate. The same I can put on to Box Office numbers where screens to percentage of population, inflation, and a million other reasons.

Netflix for instance is the same story. They often count "viewership" as when someone watches 15 minutes of a program or even worse case when they fast forwarded through it! Youtube, same story. A unit sold is described as a subscriber where they basically have tons of content at their finger tips at discounted prices. Reminds me of the RIAA and their league minimum for counting box set sales. So if one exploits the system and sells a box set for 30 bucks and they have albums that reach that minum at 3 bucks a bop, that is 10 units for every 30 dollars spent? And we are comparing this with the sales of yesteryear where prices when adjusted for inflation were in the stratosphere?

The difference with optical media is that you have a secondary market. They can sell the same thing over and over and none of that is tracked by the NPD. The same is true for boutique labels who are not required to report by the federal government of the United States much less world groups that are under the radar. Where do we even begin when it comes to the market where they get their retail legit, but yet those sales are not tracked either.

Yet every time a streaming service gets a new subscriber that is tracked because how is there any other way to cut it? Of course repeat customer paired with suspended discounts, we can ignore all that.

Piracy is a serious issue, and the burn it, and resell it game is real. Is there stealing on both sides of course (like sharing usernames). Though I would never equate the two. One is paying for air, and another is paying for physical product. With no investment, it is equivalent to watching a commercial. The value is only in the eyes of perception (like does little Johnny really want those Snacky Cakes or is it just the trend of the day that will flip to whoever pushes the bells and whistles for tomorrow).

How can you have accuracy with such dubious claims by a private group? Quite simply you can't.

Arrow, Vinegar Syndrome, Criterion, Shout Factory, Signal One, 88 Films, Severin, what if they are not reporting? Wouldn't that skew this research just a bit?

Of course units sold just like the RIAA has its own problems. When a company like Twilight Time had their last bow sale I am sure that their units sold went through the roof. So much so, that the people crying over not getting their orders escalated congruently. A unit is a unit, but I can flat out guarantee that none of that was counted in the DEG report.

Funny though, because while one could point to the fact that Twilight Time was losing money, and probably went completely negative with these sales (much like Netflix continues to do while feeding the licensing cost monster), a unit sold is a unit sold right?

One of the things that always annoys me is how are they counting these DVD sales anyway? When you buy a bluray you are saddled with a DVD. Yet there are often DVD's that are sold by themselves (more so than bluray). Have we ever guaranteed that those sales were separated properly? Does a person that is buying a bluray and chucks the DVD aside or leaves it on their shelves to collect dust really deserve to have their sale counted in the grand total? How about if someone sells off that DVD and turns that money into a bluray sale later is that reflected, or is that now another sale for another DVD because again they are stuck with the bundled version?

While the opposite is always true, I don't think Joe Public is having this scenario as often with bluray. Of course I haven't even got into the horrors of a bundled digital version playing into units sold figures as well.

When you subscribe to a service you have none of these skewed data problems.

These weekly reports are a guideline at best IMHO. If you want to get to brass tacks, look to the internet not the big box. If you really want to get down to it, look to collector's labels and their profit margins, not the discounted used up put it out there anyway they can by major labels.

Lets get back to the 4K box set which is absolutely a discount project. Do the rules apply to Sony where each box set sold is counted as 7 units? Of course not. It is one unit and how could that ever compete against one unit of something that costs 3 dollars on DVD?

Taking anything that the big companies are reporting now is just not realistic. In times like these you are lucky to get anything close to the truth. Industrial reporting is so clouded, one has to look at the motivation of lining your own pockets vs telling your competition what you are really doing.

Well sorry to be long winded, but there truly needs to be some balance with this. Not that the future of bluray needs it. The format is doing just fine and the same goes for 4K. While the big companies want to control everything you see and consume, the collectors have always prevailed in their own way. It is a fantastic time as far as I am concerned. Btw, did I mention that a lot of new content sucks anyway?

Here's exactly what I make of it:

It was a rambling all over the map barely coherent rant the first time that you inflicted it upon anyone.

Nothing in your wall of text is supported by a single verifiable fact.

You say that the data reported by the Digital Entertainment Group is unreliable for a litany of imagined reasons and you offer nothing to support your accusations. We're just all supposed to believe you because you, whoever the hell you are, say so.

Media Play News must also be wildly inaccurate then. You forgot to throw them under your bus of BS although you did make roadkill out of many other established sources of information. I am surprised that you forgot to trash Variety. How did TheNumbers.com escape your hit list?

After wading through to the bitter end of your meandering and ponderous post, you leave us with your conclusion that there is no reliable data about any part of the home entertainment industry. None of your assertions and accusations are supported by anything but your own opinion. While that may be enough to convince you, it does nothing to convince me.

All industries have a vested interest in accurately tracking and measuring their sales data. It is critical in the planning of their future endeavors.

I share your optimism for the continued survival of physical media, but the rest was a bunch of hooey.

[slimjean]

Originally Posted by Vilya

It was a rambling all over the map barely coherent rant the first time that you inflicted it upon anyone.

WOW, that was harsh.

Nothing in your wall of text is supported by a single verifiable fact.

Wait so you think the DEG is not a private group, you think there is a federal mandate to report? Guess these are not facts huh? How about the point I made about the NPD. I guess you are unaware of their they pay you play practices?

We're just all supposed to believe you because you, whoever the hell you are, says so.

I never asked you to believe me, I stated my opinion. Are you going to correct my spelling as well? I don't understand this attacking tone at all.

After wading through to the bitter end of your meandering and ponderous post, you leave us with your conclusion that there is no reliable data about any part of the home entertainment industry. None of your assertions and accusations are supported by anything but your own opinion. While that may be enough to convince you, it does nothing to convince me.

Wait, so you have never known about the criticism of Youtube and Netflix counting a view as a 15 minute watch. Will you please do some research before attacking me?

When did I ever say there is no reliable data at all? I am stating what I said from the beginning. The data is part of a bigger puzzle. When wading through my post that was difficult for you to follow, I would please ask that you take the time and not put words in my mouth at the very least. The data is the data, and I don't think the DEG is lying. I just don't think they are reporting everything that is out there. This seems to pain you a great deal. Do you have stock in the company?

I guess you disregard the issues I have with Box Office Mojo as well. I state that inflation is not considered and you say this is not a fact at all? Look, you don't believe me, look up the facts. I think it is pretty obvious how they compare numbers to years past, or are you believing that Gone with the Wind having sales that aren't exactly advertised properly is all just a bunch of hooey?

All industries have a vested interest in accurately tracking and measuring their sales data. It is critical in the planning of their future endeavors.

I share your optimism for the continued survival of physical media, but the rest was a bunch of hooey.

No I don't think there is a whole lot we have in common at all, and number one on that list is how you have treated me because I state my opinion.

Some industries like big box stores have a vested interest, do all industries report? No they do not, and they are not required to. Come back with facts that they don't or your opinion is only as valid as mine.

While my experience is not exactly average in industrial retail, apparently unless someone take it to a personal level they are not allowed to have an opinion.

So along with shooting down each and everything I have said with nothing to back up what you are saying, how about the RIAA argument. So you are unaware of their dubious counting when it comes their award practices?

Look, I get it, you want to shoot the messenger so it is better that you attack me personally instead of coming at me with anything.

Here lets state the obvious since you have glossed over anything and everything that I have wrote. Do you think it is fair computing to have a 4K box set like Sony count as one unit despite the fact that there are 7 movies in there? Dollar for dollar note for note, lets eliminate the fact that it is a premium price, what about the fact that a DVD that sells for 3 dollars is counted as the same thing, ONE UNIT?

While I have repeated myself, it would be nice if you actually came back at a point instead of dismissing. I have seen your writing as well. I put up one post repeated and it seems to have struck a cord. Did you ever think there is some truth to what I have written even if it isn't up to your literature standards?

Lets try it again with being just a little bit civilized. Not all of us come from your refined background so a little patience ok?

BTW, are you even trying to consider the point that DVD's come bundled with bluray and they are computed as such as a sale when the buyer may not even want it? Guess that was hooey to you as well. Of course you will dismiss this all because it is not written as you would like. Again, not all of us are great writers as you are.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by slimjean

WOW, that was harsh.

[Show spoiler]Wait so you think the DEG is not a private group, you think there is a federal mandate to report? Guess these are not facts huh? How about the point I made about the NPD. I guess you are unaware of their they pay you play practices?



I never asked you to believe me, I stated my opinion. Are you going to correct my spelling as well? I don't understand this attacking tone at all.



Wait, so you have never known about the criticism of Youtube and Netflix counting a view as a 15 minute watch. Will you please do some research before attacking me?

When did I ever say there is no reliable data at all? I am stating what I said from the beginning. The data is part of a bigger puzzle.

I guess you disregard the issues I have with Box Office Mojo as well. I state that inflation is not considered and you say this is not a fact at all? Look, you don't believe me, look up the facts. I think it is pretty obvious how they compare numbers to years past, or are you believing that Gone with the Wind having sales that aren't exactly advertised properly is all just a bunch of hooey?



No I don't think there is a whole lot we have in common at all, and number one on that list is how you have treated me because I state my opinion.

Some industries like big box stores have a vested interest, do all industries report? No they do not, and they are not required to. Come back with facts that they don't or your opinion is only as valid as mine.

While my experience is not exactly average in industrial retail, apparently unless someone take it to a personal level they are not allowed to have an opinion.

So along with shooting down each and everything I have said with nothing to back up what you are saying, how about the RIAA argument. So you are unaware of their dubious counting when it comes their award practices?

Look, I get it, you want to shoot the messenger so it is better that you attack me personally instead of coming at me with anything.

Here lets state the obvious since you have glossed over anything and everything that I have wrote. Do you think it is fair computing to have a 4K box set like Sony count as one unit despite the fact that there are 7 movies in there? Dollar for dollar note for note, lets eliminate the fact that it is a premium price, what about the fact that a DVD that sells for 3 dollars is counted as the same thing, ONE UNIT?

While I have repeated myself, it would be nice if you actually came back at a point instead of dismissing. I have seen your writing as well. I put up one post repeated and it seems to have struck a cord. Did you ever think there is some truth to what I have written even if it isn't up to your literature standards?

Lets try it again with being just a little bit civilized. Not all of us come from your refined background so a little patience ok?

You said make of it what I will and I did. There was never any guarantee that you would like it.

You made ALL of these many wild assertions and baseless accusations that these entities were reporting unreliable data for a host of unsubstantiated, made-up, and hallucinated reasons. You undermined almost every source of information that reports upon home entertainment data without a shred of evidence to support one absurd piece of it. You did not provide a single citation to support even one part of any accusation that you leveled. You are the one discrediting almost every source for industry data; the burden of proof is yours, not mine.

You pretend to know how all of this data is incorrectly collected and inaccurately tabulated at each reporting source, but you offer no proof whatsoever that this is how it is actually done. Again, we are just supposed to believe you, and I, for one, do not.

I never once said that we have a "lot in common." I said that I share your optimistic view for the survival of physical media. That's ONE thing, not many things.

I never said that you could not offer your opinions, but that does not mean that they are immune from criticism. Mine aren't, why would yours be? I have already given more time to you and your baseless opinions than either deserve even when allowing for comedic value.

As for my being civilized and refined, housebroken is all that I can promise you.

[slimjean]

Originally Posted by Vilya

You said make of it what I will and I did. There was never any guarantee that you would like it.

Do you equate "make of it what you will" as a blank check to not being respectful?

You made ALL of these many wild assertions and baseless accusations that these entities were reporting unreliable data for a host of made up and hallucinated reasons.

Hmm, so it is wild and hallucinated to say that a private group just may not be reporting accurately especially when companies are not required to do so.

I got one that you might think may be made up. People often don't pay their taxes, and you think these companies are breaking their backs to give weekly reports?

I think you describe something as "wild and hallucinated" when it disagrees with you, but yet if you look at what is written, there is truth. Painful as it is, these are things that should be looked at when declaring any media victor.

You undermined almost every source of information that reports upon home entertainment data without a shred of evidence to support one absurd piece of it. The burden of proof is yours, not mine.

How is it undermining saying what is actually happening? Please again, do some research, otherwise it is your opinion against mine. Don't pretend like you have the cornerstone on that just because you believe in what a private industry reports.

I have no burden of proof to bring you anything in regards to my opinion. Though you should at least bring civility, but I guess that is too much to ask.

I have already given more time to you and your baseless opinions than either deserve.

If that is what you give, I would hate to see what you sell.

I think we are done here. If others want to attack me as you have, I will delete my post if necessary. Sorry for wasting your precious time.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by slimjean

Do you equate "make of it what you will" as a blank check to not being respectful?

[Show spoiler]Hmm, so it is wild and hallucinated to say that a private group just may not be reporting accurately especially when companies are not required to do so.

I got one that you might think may be made up. People often don't pay their taxes, and you think these companies are breaking their backs to give weekly reports?

I think you describe something as "wild and hallucinated" when it disagrees with you, but yet if you look at what is written, there is truth. Painful as it is, these are things that should be looked at when declaring any media victor.



How is it undermining saying what is actually happening? Please again, do some research, otherwise it is your opinion against mine. Don't pretend like you have the cornerstone on that just because you believe in what a private industry reports.

I have no burden of proof to bring you anything in regards to my opinion. Though you should at least bring civility, but I guess that is too much to ask.



If that is what you give, I would hate to see what you sell.

I think we are done here. If others want to attack me as you have, I will delete my post if necessary. Sorry for wasting your precious time.

If I am disrespecting anything it is your unfounded all over the place soliloquy. I am allowed to have an opinion about what you post. And that is all that it is.

Try and grasp this concept: the accuser must prove their case. If I take a list of sources that you generally respect and then go on to tell you that they are all kinds of unreliable, inaccurate, and inconclusive it is incumbent upon me to prove my accusations and not for you to prove their expertise.

My time is seldom wasted and it is usually of my own choice when it does happen. You weren't attacked, but your post may qualify for a Purple Heart.

[Vilya]

Day nine of self-isolation and I haven't lost my charm.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Day nine of self-isolation and I haven't lost my charm.

[slimjean]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Day nine of self-isolation and I haven't lost my charm.

https://youtu.be/CZstgDZoLkA

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by slimjean

https://youtu.be/CZstgDZoLkA

I certainly have no need to be one in yours. Even with the free acid trips included.

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[Admiral]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I have every interest in seeing Greyhound myself, so my judgment is reserved until I do so. Have you actually seen it or is this your trailer inspired impression?

For what it's worth, I thought it was a good movie. It kept me entertained for 90 mins

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Admiral

For what it's worth, I thought it was a good movie. It kept me entertained for 90 mins

I am a fan of both this film genre and of Tom Hanks, so I am very much looking forward to seeing it when a palatable opportunity presents itself, namely a release on blu-ray or 4K. Nothing will draw me into the Appleverse.

[Admiral]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I am a fan of both this film genre and of Tom Hanks, so I am very much looking forward to seeing it when a palatable opportunity presents itself, namely a release on blu-ray or 4K. Nothing will draw me into the Appleverse.

It's the only thing I have watched on Apple TV. I signed up for the free trial to watch Greyhound and then cancelled the subscription the next day.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Admiral

It's the only thing I have watched on Apple TV. I signed up for the free trial to watch Greyhound and then cancelled the subscription the next day.