Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

I really hate making you look so ignorant but movies and TV shows have been available for streaming purchase for many years now (10 or more). Vudu download to own goes back to about 2005.

Content providers have marketing departments and they know what movies will do well at the theater, home video, pay TV, etc. If they make content available for streaming but not disc then they do so for a reason, the most likely being it is B grade junk and would not sell very well on disc.

You don't have to put people down to make yourself look so smart, just answering the Post in a civil manner would be nice. I was talking about Distribution, I know Streaming has been around a long time. With the AMC deal and the shorten Theatrical Widow, Movies will Stream to your HT before Disc.

As for the Studios Marketing Departments, you're right they assess the best Distribution for their Movies and TV Shows but all this is going through a big Revolution right now. Revenue streams are going to change dramatically. IMO it will be Theatrical, Streaming, and finally Disc. That Niche Disc Market will have to be with the Independent Distributors, that will purchase those Licensing Agreements. The Independent Distributors will have to assess the License Cost for profitability on which Disc Format to Distribute. IMO the Disc Revenue stream will be dependent on Cost and Profit.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by alchav21

That Niche Disc Market will have to be with the Independent Distributors, that will purchase those Licensing Agreements. The Independent Distributors will have to assess the License Cost for profitability on which Disc Format to Distribute. IMO the Disc Revenue stream will be dependent on Cost and Profit.

You made this all up.

What makes you think the Hollywood studios don't release physical media by their own distributers? Think Disney negotiates with independent distributors that purchase licensing agreements.

The way you are describing this is what studio do with those streaming hosts that badly need to make money if they can.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Disney+ does not care about Netflix which does care about Apple+ which does not care about .... Its every streamer for themselves. The streaming ship sailed many years ago without a plan and compass so we have a giant CF in terms of formatting and hardware. Really doesn't matter to most because they use TV apps or cheap Roku to stream.

I am one of those that uses the built-in apps on his TVs to stream; why shouldn't I?

If I were to buy a top end dedicated streaming device, will I receive a better bitrate from Netflix? From Amazon? From Tubi? From PBS? From Vudu? From Movies Anywhere? From anyone? Will I see less compression artifacts? Would my TVs gain the ability to display frame rates beyond their current capability? What exactly would I gain over using my TVs built-in apps?

You and I both have complained about compression artifacts being visible when streaming content; the only difference that I can see is that you paid extra for the privilege.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

so we have a giant CF in terms of formatting and hardware. Really doesn't matter to most because they use TV apps or cheap Roku to stream.

Whats the problem? There are many ways to stream, and its not all by TV apps and a Roku.

Possibly you need some new gear?

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

As for the Studios Marketing Departments, you're right they assess the best Distribution for their Movies and TV Shows but all this is going through a big Revolution right now. Revenue streams are going to change dramatically. IMO it will be Theatrical, Streaming, and finally Disc. That Niche Disc Market will have to be with the Independent Distributors, that will purchase those Licensing Agreements. The Independent Distributors will have to assess the License Cost for profitability on which Disc Format to Distribute. IMO the Disc Revenue stream will be dependent on Cost and Profit.

I see that you have all of the studios abandoning their own well established distribution systems and licensing their content out to whomever instead. Did someone at Walmart tell you this? One of your cousins maybe? Did you have a divine visitation? Please do tell us when this will come to pass that we may come back here then to sing the praises of your visionary vision.

How many times are you going to tell us the obvious also? A product needs to be profitable for it to continue to be offered? I mean, who would have guessed?

[alchav21]

No you guys jump the gun, the Studios will have their own Distribution chain, that will include Disc as long as the Profit Margin is there. I'm just saying they won't bother with the Niche Market, and only License it to the Independent Distributors that will take the loss if Cost exceeds Profit.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by alchav21

No you guys jump the gun, the Studios will have their own Distribution chain, that will include Disc as long as the Profit Margin is there. I'm just saying they won't bother with the Niche Market, and only License it to the Independent Distributors that will take the loss if Cost exceeds Profit.

I’d sleep on it, it’s like you are at a bar had a couple of drinks and having memory recall issues of what’s happening in the world. Keep telling yourself that if the streaming hosts keep losing money that they will turn a profit next year. Nightly night.

[oak table]

Originally Posted by bessetmath

I am sure bluray/dvd/4k will still exist in the future. By the way, its will become a very NICHE market. When you check the whole picture right now, you see Netflix ( or any monthly based subscription (hbo disney+ etc)) is taking a big portion of the tv shows and movies entertainment. Netflix killed blockbusters.

Sadly, business like Netflix and others only think with $$$ and not with the customers. It is not nice for US (customers) to pay multiples subscriptions just because of original show only available on one streaming providers. You don t want to pay 60-70 a months for netflix, hbo, disney+. If THEY will care about us, all this will be UNIFIED.

Lastly, going this way Netflix is only helping PIRACY. People will torrent or usenet the newest disney + original show or netflix original.

It is a broken system.

So, you don't want private companies to be able to produce entertainment, and setup an online service and let you consume it? Perhaps you can start a lobbying group that will call for the end of competition between streaming services. You might find some politicians willing to take up your cause.

P.S. I have a unified system for my entertainment, it sits on my shelf.

Originally Posted by JohnAV

see Who really killed Blockbuster? - Retaildive 10/7/2019

Yes, Blockbuster was a mess for years.

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Blockbuster killed themselves, anyone with a pea brain should have saw kiosk taking over the disc rental market.

If memory serves me correctly, Blockbuster did try rental kiosks for a while. However, anything that company tried was doomed to failure.

[dcx4610]

After the success of Midsommar, I have a feeling you are going to see a lot more indie studios selling their movies direct to consumers. I think the big studios will go to smaller distributors like Shout and Arrow to release their movies.

Movies might disappear from retail stores but I think physical media will continue and be catered specifically to the collector and enthusiast. When vinyl made a big comeback, you saw it back in retail stores but I never see people browsing that section at Target or any of the other stores. It's a specialty market and there's enough money there to make a a profit. It's not for the mainstream consumer though.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

I’d sleep on it, it’s like you are at a bar had a couple of drinks and having memory recall issues of what’s happening in the world. Keep telling yourself that if the streaming hosts keep loosing money that they will turn a profit next year. Nightly night.

The word is "losing", not "loosing." Loosing means to untie, or to unfasten.

I think that you're both

[Lee A Stewart]

Universal and Warner Bros. — facing the continued deterioration of physical disc sales — want to pool their DVD distribution businesses under a major new deal.

The studios announced that Universal Pictures Home Entertainment and Warner Bros. Home Entertainment entered into a pact to form a new joint venture to distribute DVDs in North America for new releases, library titles and TV content for up to 10 years.

The companies expect the proposed JV to be operational by the first quarter of 2021. The North American joint venture, comprising leadership from both studios, is to be headed by longtime Universal exec Eddie Cunningham (pictured above), who is currently president of Universal Pictures Home Entertainment.

In addition, under a separate agreement, the studios struck license agreements to divvy up DVD distribution in countries outside North America. Under that arrangement, UPHE will handle distribution of Warner Bros.’ DVD home entertainment products in Germany, Austria, Switzerland and Japan, expected to go live in the third quarter of 2020. Warner Bros. will assume responsibility for distribution of Universal’s DVD products in the U.K. (including Ireland), Italy, Belgium, the Netherlands and Luxembourg, expected to occur in the first quarter of 2021.

https://variety.com/2020/film/news/u...nt-1203467934/

Just in case those here haven't either seen this or forgotten it exists

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Vilya

The word is "losing", not "loosing." Loosing means to untie, or to unfasten.

I think that you're both

Got love those auto spellers. TY.

PS you need a bunker, so you don’t disappear for a few hours every time there is lightning!

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

Got love those auto spellers. TY.

PS you need a bunker, so you don’t disappear for a few hours every time there is lightning!

I usually watch movies at night, lightning permitting. That explains my absence most of the time. I watched the silly action movie Face/Off tonight.

[bhampton]

PlayStation 5 will put a million new Uhd bd players in the hands of people with too much money (gamers.)

My Walmart has space for Vinyl and the UHD BD section says the future is clear.

People who rent will steam (or Redbox) and people who buy will buy.

Steaming can’t be the future until it catches up with the present. High quality audio can be steamed but the movies can’t have high quality audio or video so far.

I’m not worried about the future of UHD. Just planning on slowly replacing most of my Blu Rays with it. It may not be around forever and neither will I.

Why are steaming exclusives like Amazon’s Jack Ryan coming to disc? Because people buy them.

I remember being in line in Black Friday about five years ago and the guy in front of me had a cart full of digital photo frames (the kind that slide show your pictures. ) He said no one would be using actual picture frames anymore now that the prices of digital frames have come down. He was a little off and so is anyone who thinks physical media is going away.

[TrackZ]

Why are steaming exclusives like Amazon’s Jack Ryan coming to disc? Because people buy them.

Problem is they stream in 4k HDR with Atmos, but they'll only come out on HD Blu-ray.

[TrackZ]

The discussion about Netflix/subscription vs. general release is interesting as it is mirroring itself in the video game world with Microsoft game passing everything and Sony focusing on the big budget AAA experience.

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by TrackZ

Problem is they stream in 4k HDR with Atmos, but they'll only come out on HD Blu-ray.

The ATMOS is lossless on the Blu Ray and the unconverted video may compete well with the steaming UHD which may have been upconverted. Who says it won’t come to UHD? I own stranger things on UHD BD and Game of Thrones is preordered on UHD BD.

Btw, Game of Thrones was never broadcast or steamed in 4K.

[avs commenter]

Originally Posted by bhampton

PlayStation 5 will put a million new Uhd bd players in the hands of people with too much money (gamers.)

My Walmart has space for Vinyl and the UHD BD section says the future is clear.

People who rent will steam (or Redbox) and people who buy will buy.

Steaming can’t be the future until it catches up with the present. High quality audio can be steamed but the movies can’t have high quality audio or video so far.

I’m not worried about the future of UHD. Just planning on slowly replacing most of my Blu Rays with it. It may not be around forever and neither will I.

Why are steaming exclusives like Amazon’s Jack Ryan coming to disc? Because people buy them.

I remember being in line in Black Friday about five years ago and the guy in front of me had a cart full of digital photo frames (the kind that slide show your pictures. ) He said no one would be using actual picture frames anymore now that the prices of digital frames have come down. He was a little off and so is anyone who thinks physical media is going away.

Just because a UHD player is included doesn't mean people will use it. Physical media is rapidly falling out of favor with gamers. And more than likely if you are going digital with gaming, you are already consuming the majority of your media that way.

https://www.thesixthaxis.com/2020/05...t-digital-ps5/

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You don't have to put people down to make yourself look so smart, just answering the Post in a civil manner would be nice.

Stop being a nail and insulting people and you will not be hammered.

[bhampton]

I agree. It’s easier to get digital games. My daughter wanted Abzu and it was impossible to get the disc and easy to get the download.

I think that when you own a 4K display and a Uhd player you are more likely to buy UHD Bds.

(And currently Jaws is $9.99!)