The Dark Knight Rises (2012) - Page 129 - Blu-ray Forum

Jumpman · 11-19-2012, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by 42041

I'm not sure what "same shit" you're referring to... It looks unsharpened and pretty free of digital crud, and much like the digital prints of the film. The 35mm parts of the movie are not going to be reference material unless they go back to the camera negative (though in 2012 it is admittedly bewildering why they wouldn't make a digital transfer the OCN to begin with), but it seems to look good for what it is.

It just sounds as if Nolan doesn't want to make a digital transfer from the OCN. His prerogative, I guess.

Jumpman · 11-19-2012, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by killermike2178

Uhhh, jog my memory, what does OCN stand for?

Original Camera Negative.

MisterXDTV · 11-19-2012, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Jumpman

It just sounds as if Nolan doesn't want to make a digital transfer from the OCN. His prerogative, I guess.

It's not that he doesn't want to, he can't! Why?

Because his choice is to color-time the movie photochemically, so you can't scan the OCN because you would lose all your color-timing work...
You have to scan the Interpositive (IP) with the correct color-correction done by Pfister...

42041 · 11-19-2012, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

It's not that he doesn't want to, he can't! Why?

Because his choice is to color-time the movie photochemically, so you can't scan the OCN because you would lose all your color-timing work...
You have to scan the Interpositive (IP) with the correct color-correction done by Pfister...

Well, they could always just replicate the analog color grading digitally. Which would be the sensible thing to do IMO, rather than throwing away half your sharpness and resolution even though 95% of your audience are going to see it in digital projection or a digitally blown up 70mm IMAX print anyway.
But the damage's been done already... I doubt WB are going to spend the money to re-scan a brand new film any time soon.

iceman · 11-19-2012, 09:58 PM

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Dave_6 · 11-19-2012, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by iceman

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Jumpman · 11-19-2012, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

It's not that he doesn't want to, he can't! Why?

Because his choice is to color-time the movie photochemically, so you can't scan the OCN because you would lose all your color-timing work...
You have to scan the Interpositive (IP) with the correct color-correction done by Pfister...

It seems you're criticizing Nolan's philosophy, which is entirely subjective. This is how he chooses to work.

mredman · 11-19-2012, 10:01 PM

can't wait to own this movie best movie of 2012 this movie is pure epicness!

Jumpman · 11-19-2012, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by mredman

can't wait to own this movie best movie of 2012 this movie is pure epicness!

Enjoy it for me. I'm playing the long game.

MisterXDTV · 11-19-2012, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jumpman

It seems you're criticizing Nolan's philosophy, which is entirely subjective. This is how he chooses to work.

You got it wrong! I love what he does! I love his classic approach to film-making!

Early Memphis · 11-19-2012, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Indiana Jones

As for being delivered on release, depends where you order as I have had my copy since Saturday

Lucky you, dude!

I don't know where you ordered from, but I ordered the trilogy from Amazon and they say I won't get it until Dec 10th.

Jumpman · 11-19-2012, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

You got it wrong! I love what he does! I love his classic approach to film-making!

Oh. It just seemed that you were frustrated that if he did things a different way, his discs on BD would yield even more impressive results.

I understand the problems of the Knight BD, even if I think it's an entirely watchable disc.

I don't understand the criticism already for this Rises BD. I think the transfer is striking.

rickah88 · 11-19-2012, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jmbenesh

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but TDKR is not getting a pre-sell case. It will be getting an actual Exclusive Steelbook release, which will be available on release date (12/4).

Yes, from Best Buy.

MisterXDTV · 11-19-2012, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Jumpman

Oh. It just seemed that you were frustrated that if he did things a different way, his discs on BD would yield even more impressive results.

I understand the problems of the Knight BD, even if I think it's an entirely watchable disc.

I don't understand the criticism already for this Rises BD. I think the transfer is striking.

I agree with you about this transfer, it's striking

The problem with TDK was they ruined it with digital filters because of the horrible DMR process done by IMAX; it doesn't seem to be the case this time (or maybe DMR was done better this time, 4 years later)

rickah88 · 11-19-2012, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 42041

I'm not sure what "same shit" you're referring to... It looks unsharpened and pretty free of digital crud, and much like the digital prints of the film. The 35mm parts of the movie are not going to be reference material unless they go back to the camera negative (though in 2012 it is admittedly bewildering why they wouldn't make a digital transfer the OCN to begin with), but it seems to look good for what it is.

Unless WB was saving that for the Ultimate set being released next year? Although I highly doubt it, but one can dream.

MisterXDTV · 11-19-2012, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by rickah88

Unless WB was saving that for the Ultimate set being released next year? Although I highly doubt it, but one can dream.

People need to accept the fact that there are never going to be OCN scans of Nolan's movies, he simply wouldn't let them because it is against his principles of film-making (photochemical cinematography) that would get lost in the process..

Early Memphis · 11-19-2012, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Blu-Malibu2009

Nah. According to Alex Jones, the Bat trilogy is part of the New World Order's propaganda to brainwash us all into believing that the world is full of evil and we need rich "good" people (ie international bankers) to take care of us.

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Jumpman · 11-19-2012, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

I agree with you about this transfer, it's striking

The problem with TDK was they ruined it with digital filters because of the horrible DMR process done by IMAX; it doesn't seem to be the case this time (or maybe DMR was done better this time, 4 years later)

I'm betting that WB/Nolan will go back and fix Knight in a few years. I don't think it's if anymore but when.

mredman · 11-19-2012, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jumpman

Enjoy it for me. I'm playing the long game.

I will

you mean you are waiting to get it ?

Jumpman · 11-19-2012, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by mredman

I will

you mean you are waiting to get it ?

Yep. Ultimate Collector's Edition. What can I say? I'm a box set *****.

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