Optimizing 3D's potential using Darbee Video Processors

[Paul H]

Originally Posted by Joe D.

Hi Paul,

Don't some Oppos have darbee processing built into them?

Hi Joe,
Happy New Year!

Others have already read your question and answered.

I have both Oppo 103 and 103D. Still use my 103D with my Sony HMZ-T1 headset. The 203 has priority HDMI connection over the older 103 (the 103 optimized with a four Darbee Darblet chain) for the 2016 LG 65" E6P 4K/UHD component setup.

[RockyIII]

Effects of Darbee on 1080p picture:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJhE...ature=youtu.be

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[BackQuack]

Wow, starting at the 3:27 mark you really get a good idea of what this thing can do. Kinda wished I had bought that new one I saw on eBay for $70+$10 shipping the other day

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by BackQuack

Kinda wished I had bought that new one I saw on eBay for $70+$10 shipping the other day

That's the one I purchased

[Joe D.]

Originally Posted by Paul H

Hi Joe,
Happy New Year!

Others have already read your question and answered.

I have both Oppo 103 and 103D. Still use my 103D with my Sony HMZ-T1 headset. The 203 has priority HDMI connection over the older 103 (the 103 optimized with a four Darbee Darblet chain) for the 2016 LG 65" E6P 4K/UHD component setup.

Hi Paul my buddy,

Happy and healthy new year to you and yours. Yup, have read the replies.

For those like me with it not built in, then the separate darbee is essential. Can't believe how it brings out more detail on everything from 3D down to - yes- vhs! And it is not false enhancement with artificial sharpness or color saturation. On backgrounds with plenty of trees I see little things like hidden bushes, branches, etc that are masked without the darbee. Same with blades of grass, facial blemishes, etc. Color too is expanded on many objects while there is no change on others so it's very selective. Simply use the demo mode to see the difference!

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by Joe D.

Hi Paul my buddy,

And it is not false enhancement with artificial sharpness or color saturation!

How can this be? Any enhancement is 'false' or 'artificial' at the core. We are still altering the way the picture was originally meant to look like (nothing wrong with that, by the way).

[Joe D.]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

That's the one I purchased

Hi Rocky,

Happy new year. As said before, you're gonna love it!

[Joe D.]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

How can this be? Any enhancement is 'false' or 'artificial' at the core. We are still altering the way the picture was originally meant to look like (nothing wrong with that, by the way).

Hi Rocky,

This will be a layman's explanation.

It is not enhancing anything. It is PROCESSING each individual pixal further, bringing out the details that your Blu Ray player and cable box is unable to. That information is already embedded in the source material and certain more expensive equipment includes this processing in their specs.

What we are actually seeing without it is NOT what it was meant to look like in it's totality. It is not altering the picture. Think of it as getting the right prescription glasses and seeing things more crisply.

Happy and healthy.

[Impossible]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

How can this be? Any enhancement is 'false' or 'artificial' at the core. We are still altering the way the picture was originally meant to look like (nothing wrong with that, by the way).

No you're not. Who is to say your system be it projector or tv are showing something 100% the way it should be seen, or indeed even the source is 100% correct. What is 'how something should be seen' anyways? Who decides that? Some director from 40 years ago whose eyes don't even work the same anymore?

Especially with 3D product because there are 2 systems for home viewing so there has never and will never be a 'perfect' 3D disc because shutter glasses will always darken the image. I imagine they would colour correct using passive glasses, so the image is going to look totally different with active glasses.

Monitors and projectors change from company to company and model to model. Kid yourself all you like, but you are never seeing something as it was originally intended.

The Darbee basically amplifies whats there. It isn't a sharpening tool it is little more than giving something an automated colour correction which you control to the level you like to bring out the blacks and whites which then magnifies the colours which makes the image look sharper and punchier.

[shield80]

Well they do alter the image,no matter how much you don't believe it or not

From Avforums Review
We can be very confident in saying the Darbee Visual Presence won’t give you pictures that adhere to the established image standards as the content creators intended. If they had wanted it to look the way a ‘darbeed’ image looks they could have changed the lighting, altered camera set up, had the make-up artists performing adjustments or influenced any number of other factors to give the material a different look. More pertinently, Darbee-like effects are already possible at post production level in a number of software packages that would surely have been used, if that look was the intention

https://www.avforums.com/review/darb...ice-review.346

[Paul H]

I agree with Impossible

Originally Posted by RockyIII

How can this be? Any enhancement is 'false' or 'artificial' at the core.

I've heard it explained that the Darbee only improves image processing using patented 3D algorithms that analyse the digital image in real-time. The memory contains depth information of monoscopic images that achieve gratifying results. Probably similar to viewing the image at different angles.
The original information is always present, displayed an reconstruction is at the pixel level.

[Joe D.]

Originally Posted by shield80

Well they do alter the image,no matter how much you don't believe it or not

From Avforums Review
We can be very confident in saying the Darbee Visual Presence won’t give you pictures that adhere to the established image standards as the content creators intended. If they had wanted it to look the way a ‘darbeed’ image looks they could have changed the lighting, altered camera set up, had the make-up artists performing adjustments or influenced any number of other factors to give the material a different look. More pertinently, Darbee-like effects are already possible at post production level in a number of software packages that would surely have been used, if that look was the intention

https://www.avforums.com/review/darb...ice-review.346

Hi Shield

Happy new year.

Sorry but cannot agree with that assessment. How can the darbee create images that are not there? This is not about changes in lighting or saturation but actually seeing objects that were not viewed before. It's not increasing sharpness. There are details within objects that are brought out. There are minute objects in front of others that are masked.

One cannot create an object that is not there. That is different than altering what is there to create an artificial effect.

[Joe D.]

Originally Posted by Paul H

I agree with Impossible.

Hi Paul,

Can't I at least get an honorable mention?

[Paul H]

Originally Posted by Joe D.

Hi Paul,

Can't I at least get an honorable mention?

Absolutely! Thanks for the wit and understanding. My communication skills need much to be desired..

[shield80]

Originally Posted by Joe D.

Hi Shield

Happy new year.

Sorry but cannot agree with that assessment. How can the darbee create images that are not there? This is not about changes in lighting or saturation but actually seeing objects that were not viewed before. It's not increasing sharpness. There are details within objects that are brought out. There are minute objects in front of others that are masked.

One cannot create an object that is not there. That is different than altering what is there to create an artificial effect.

Happy new year

Well it does alter the image even if you don't think so, because if they would have wanted to look like darbee they would have made it that way,they have the software to do like that if they wanted to,but they don't so that is saying something,well some movies do use it,but if you go by standard then they don't use it.

If you like what Darbee does, well that is ok, no problem with that, but if you want to see what the director wanted you to see then no.

Blu Ray movies and 4K is already shot at it highest sharpness etc

The disc can not show something that isn't there and darbee is not showing that is already on the disc because it ain't any more details on the disc to show more, so then it is processing the picture and make it so it has more detail than it actually has.

For Netflix and streaming and cable tv it is great.

[Joe D.]

Originally Posted by Paul H

Absolutely! Thanks for the wit and understanding. My communication skills need much to be desired..

Ah Paul,

You'll always be my buddy.

[Joe D.]

Originally Posted by shield80

Happy new year

Well it does alter the image even if you don't think so, because if they would have wanted to look like darbee they would have made it that way,they have the software to do like that if they wanted to,but they don't so that is saying something,well some movies do use it,but if you go by standard then they don't use it.

If you like what Darbee does, well that is ok, no problem with that, but if you want to see what the director wanted you to see then no.

Blu Ray movies and 4K is already shot at it highest sharpness etc

The disc can not show something that isn't there and darbee is not showing that is already on the disc because it ain't any more details on the disc to show more, so then it is processing the picture and make it so it has more detail than it actually has.

For Netflix and streaming and cable tv it is great.

Hi shield,

Will use this as an example.

Ever put two televisions side by side, have them both calibrated properly and yet see difference in picture quality? Or two Blu-ray players fed into the same set and also see some minute difference?

Both showing what's in the source. Should be no difference. Unless one is built better. That's what the darbee does. I'm watching it right now on a cable broadcast. The "smooth" or "plastic" effect on Anthony Newly's face is eliminated. One sees more pebbles in the stones. The picture overall is sharper. Yet there is no harshness increase - which would accompany an oversaturation of sharpness. And as an experiment, just turned darbee off and increased sharpness on the set. Picture became harsh with no more hidden objects unmasked.

And some colors are more vibrant while others are left alone. It's not an across-the-board increase.

It's an additional processing stage that is included in more expensive oppo players. But this works with cable too.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by Joe D.

Hi shield,

Will use this as an example.

Ever put two televisions side by side, have them both calibrated properly and yet see difference in picture quality? Or two Blu-ray players fed into the same set and also see some minute difference?

Both showing what's in the source. Should be no difference. Unless one is built better. That's what the darbee does. I'm watching it right now on a cable broadcast. The "smooth" or "plastic" effect on Anthony Newly's face is eliminated. One sees more pebbles in the stones. The picture overall is sharper. Yet there is no harshness increase - which would accompany an oversaturation of sharpness. And as an experiment, just turned darbee off and increased sharpness on the set. Picture became harsh with no more hidden objects unmasked.

And some colors are more vibrant while others are left alone. It's not an across-the-board increase.

It's an additional processing stage that is included in more expensive oppo players. But this works with cable too.

It's no accident that darbee keeps selling at a retail price of $129-149 and it is highly regarded by many videophiles who wouldnt waste their time on a gadget that would mess up picture fidelity

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[shield80]

If the directors wanted that type of sharpness they would do it and no need for darbee,they could do all that without the darbee if they wanted to.

So just because it doesn't do some processing it still Will alter the original picture to something it should not look like.like I Said the directors could make it just like the darbee does, but some don't do it, so to watch it like the directors wanted to look you don't use darbee.

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[shield80]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

It's no accident that darbee keeps selling at a retail price of $129-149 and it is highly regarded by many videophiles who wouldnt waste their time on a gadget that would mess up picture fidelity

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So it doesn't mess up the picture when the director doesn't want it to look that way?they could do it if they wanted to look like the darbee but some of them don't when they want it to look like the standard is.so you are in denial

Darbee is a personal taste nothing to do with how the standard is.