BREAKING: Chapek Out At Disney, Iger Returns

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by NerdCollecter1998

I'm sure all the flack and undue backlash he got from the prequels was a factor. Just sell it off and let someone else deal with the angry hornets nest that is the SW fandom.

Some truth here, although I dont agree that the majority of the fanbase is toxic. Just the loudest ones are. No question the prequels took a lot of flak. I was in the middle when they came out. They were OK - I loved some of it and didnt like some of it. As they aged though, they got better and better, IMO. Now, I love them.

[NerdCollecter1998]

Originally Posted by s2mikey

Some truth here, although I dont agree that the majority of the fanbase is toxic. Just the loudest ones are. No question the prequels took a lot of flak. I was in the middle when they came out. They were OK - I loved some of it and didnt like some of it. As they aged though, they got better and better, IMO. Now, I love them.

I was in the middle of it too as a kid. It's weird but I feel vindicated by the appreciation the prequel era has gotten. Still, if I was Lucas and I had to put up with 11 years of fans whinging and accusing me of ruining their childhoods, I'd probably want nothing to do with it either.

[Rayjg]

I thought most of the backlash wasn't from the prequels but from altering the original trilogy?

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by Rayjg

I thought most of the backlash wasn't from the prequels but from altering the original trilogy?

There was backlash over both, IIRC.

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by NerdCollecter1998

I was in the middle of it too as a kid. It's weird but I feel vindicated by the appreciation the prequel era has gotten. Still, if I was Lucas and I had to put up with 11 years of fans whinging and accusing me of ruining their childhoods, I'd probably want nothing to do with it either.

I agree - its sad. I always hated the "ruined my childhood" comment. Its like, your childhood already happened, dipshit.

Originally Posted by Rayjg

I thought most of the backlash wasn't from the prequels but from altering the original trilogy?

Actually both. The OT tweaks were controversial though, for sure.

Originally Posted by BluBonnet

There was backlash over both, IIRC.

Yes sir.

[nodeerforamonth]

There was even a little backlash against Empire Strikes Back when it came out.

Hopefully as time goes on, people will also be open-minded enough to understand the sequel trilogy.

[avs commenter]

Originally Posted by s2mikey

I agree - its sad. I always hated the "ruined my childhood" comment. Its like, your childhood already happened, dipshit.



Actually both. The OT tweaks were controversial though, for sure.



Yes sir.

Feelings on the PT are mixed. But pretty sure everyone hated the OT tweaks.

I imagine with the backlash, GL lost his confidence. He was done with major film releases.

[Wummyhulk]

George Lucas said in an interview once that films are never completed, they are only abandoned, and rather than live with his "abandoned" Classic Star Wars Trilogy movies, his wanted to go back and "complete" them the way he wanted but was impossible to do back in the 1970s in terms of time and money and limited visual effects. So in my opinion, the 1997 "Special Edition" re-releases with the CGI stuff were justified. They are even more impressive with further ajustments for the DVD, the Blu-Ray, and the 4K UHD releases.

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by Wummyhulk

George Lucas said in an interview once that films are never completed, they are only abandoned, and rather than live with his "abandoned" Classic Star Wars Trilogy movies, his wanted to go back and "complete" them the way he wanted but was impossible to do back in the 1970s in terms of time and money and limited visual effects. So in my opinion, the 1997 "Special Edition" re-releases with the CGI stuff were justified. They are even more impressive with further ajustments for the DVD, the Blu-Ray, and the 4K UHD releases.

Actually I think Stanley Kubrick said that about films. . Either way, no doubt that new 'toys" available as years went on got George interested in making changes to his films. I actually like some of the changes to the OT and updates myself but I know that they did anger most people.

Originally Posted by nodeerforamonth

There was even a little backlash against Empire Strikes Back when it came out.

Hopefully as time goes on, people will also be open-minded enough to understand the sequel trilogy.

I dont think it has anything to do with open-mindedness or understanding. Most people "got them". They just didnt like the creative decisions, character changes/rollbacks, somewhat incoherent plot, and the final film which just doesnt work. As a trilogy, the sequels dont feel like one.

No amount of time will change that, IMO. The prequels at least feel like a real trilogy. They are 100% George and blend together perfectly.

[Wummyhulk]

Originally Posted by s2mikey

Actually I think Stanley Kubrick said that about films. . Either way, no doubt that new 'toys" available as years went on got George interested in making changes to his films. I actually like some of the changes to the OT and updates myself but I know that they did anger most people.



I dont think it has anything to do with open-mindedness or understanding. Most people "got them". They just didnt like the creative decisions, character changes/rollbacks, somewhat incoherent plot, and the final film which just doesnt work. As a trilogy, the sequels dont feel like one.

No amount of time will change that, IMO. The prequels at least feel like a real trilogy. They are 100% George and blend together perfectly.

George Lucas was only quoting what Stanley Kubrick said about films, I didn't say those were his own words.

[50strat54]

The Star Wars films are very simple films that are fun to watch.

The dialogue at times is also very simple and sometimes stilted.

The deep dive people do regarding the films amuses me to no end, lots of great reading.

During Covid I bought a lot of Star Wars stuff but I actually don’t lose sleep over what Lucas did to the original trilogy and I watch his “corrected” films all the time and never am I upset over what he’s done.

That being said I did buy the original trilogy DVDs during covid

Keep posting, occasionally I actually learn something new.

[Farerb]

Anyway...

It seems like Iger didn't manage to fix Disney stocks.

He also published this letter:


I think it's laughable that anyone would think that now it's the best time to be a Disney fan and not the '90s.

[NerdCollecter1998]

Originally Posted by Farerb

Anyway...

It seems like Iger didn't manage to fix Disney stocks.

He also published this letter:


I think it's laughable that anyone would think that now it's the best time to be a Disney fan and not the '90s.

The honeymoon period after he came back is over. Now the real work begins...

[-JKR-]

Originally Posted by NerdCollecter1998

The honeymoon period after he came back is over. Now the real work begins...

What honeymoon period?

Originally Posted by Farerb

I think it's laughable that anyone would think that now it's the best time to be a Disney fan and not the '90s.

Disney was firing on all cylinders in the 1990s. Aside from the great and highly successful Disney animated movies (and live action projects such as The Mighty Ducks, Santa Clause, etc.), they also hit it big with Pixar, as well as the titles from their Touchstone Pictures, Hollywood Pictures and Miramax banners.

[NerdCollecter1998]

Originally Posted by -JKR-

What honeymoon period?

Disney's stocks rose the day after Bob Iger was reinstated as CEO.

[-JKR-]

Originally Posted by NerdCollecter1998

Disney's stocks rose the day after Bob Iger was reinstated as CEO.

Okay, makes sense. Thanks for explaining.

[avs commenter]

I hated Disney in the 90's so to each their own

[NerdCollecter1998]

Originally Posted by -JKR-

Okay, makes sense. Thanks for explaining.

Lots of initial celebrating because Bob Iger is well-respected and Chapek really was that unpopular. But everyone's gotten used to Iger being back and now the sea is settling.

[-JKR-]

Originally Posted by avs commenter

I hated Disney in the 90's so to each their own

You hated Disney when they put out (among others) movies such as Pulp Fiction, Jackie Brown (they owned Miramax at the time), Toy Story, Nightmare Before Christmas, Ed Wood, Sister Act, Ransom, Dead Presidents, Crimson Tide, Enemy of the State, Con Air, The Rock, Ransom, Grosse Pointe Blank, Starship Troopers (co-produced with TriStar Pictures), and many others?

Originally Posted by NerdCollecter1998

Lots of initial celebrating because Bob Iger is well-respected and Chapek really was that unpopular. But everyone's gotten used to Iger being back and now the sea is settling.

Looking back at Bob Iger's Disney I don't share the enthusiasm very much, but he did make the company a ton of money.

[avs commenter]

Originally Posted by -JKR-

You hated Disney when they put out (among others) movies such as Pulp Fiction, Jackie Brown, Toy Story, Nightmare Before Christmas, Ed Wood, Sister Act, Ransom, Dead Presidents, Crimson Tide, Enemy of the State, Con Air, The Rock, Ransom, Starship Troopers (co-produced with TriStar Pictures), and many others?



Looking back at Bob Iger's Disney I don't share the enthusiasm very much, but he did make the company a ton of money.

Yeah. But I'm thinking of Disney overall and not just theater movies.