Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by alchav21

So I guess you guys have to settle for Catalogue Movies to fill the void. Without big Movies what are you guys going to do?

wrong time of year for me to care at all.

this weekend I am starting my Horror Marathon, so for the next month all I care is for catalogue horror films.
November starts off whittling down my unwatched collection to make room for Black Friday/cyber Monday where I will build it up by a lot.
December all I care to watch are catalogue Christmas films and will most likely add a lot of films to my collection on Boxing day
January (and possibly February)back to whittling down my unwatched collection again.

PS this year in Nov I will also get the Ps5 which will mean less time to care for new releases after Nov 12.

New releases will only start to be interesting in 6-7 months

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Rogue was only $10, and there are a lot of new Movies and TV Shows on Streaming that will never make it to Disc.

Oh no are you saying I might not have access to the crappy shows and films that no one was interested in on the specific streaming platform because they won't make it to disk? oh wait wrong icon

So I guess you will have to be satisfied with Old Catalog Titles.

How does one relate to the other. Plenty of quality shows (I am guessing movies as well) on streaming platforms make it to disk if they are actualy any good. Streaming providers are not fanboy idiots and they want that extra cash. and then there is all the other sources as well (such as "TV" shows ....)

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

always the same thing someone wanting to sell you something sub par pulling the "most people" BS response.

Denon admitting that there is a defect with their product (X6700H) and then saying that it doesn't really matter because most of their customers won't notice it is the kind of attitude that really instills confidence. It is kind of like they are being both lazy and insulting their customers as being too obtuse to notice their mistakes.

"We did shoddy work, bit we hid it well" would be an accurate slogan for them in this instance.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

That's they key word.

It's a vague word as it does not assign any meaningful probability of there actually being any cost savings. The wording is just meant to entice people to click on the article. It is the same tactic that is used in this well known ad:



I could win the lottery this weekend, but I won't be holding my breath while awaiting the results.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

That's they key word.

going by key word why not

Starlink broadband could undercut rivals by 100%

the broadbandnow "analysis" looked at (rural) areas with only one player and compared it to (urban) areas where they are more 5 or more players

and jumped to the conclusion that the reason is competition that created that difference. And it says the added competition (i.e. 1->2 or ->3) should have a similar effect

that to me is an insane proposition. For the ISP to a fiber that crosses the street from your neighbours building is short and cheap and then that small cost split over the 20 + families in the apartment building which makes it an even cheaper proposition. On the other hand if your neighbors building is 1 km away then the iSP needs 1km of fiber (assuming whirred, but in those cases wireless would make more senses) that needs to be paid by the single persons home.

But even if we forget that reality and assume costs to the ISPs are meaningless. like the original analysis was done adding starling won't bring it from 1 to 5+ ISPS and beyond it will bring (in the best case scenario from 68.38 to 59.14 which is a reduction of 13.5% there isn't even a 40% if you go from 1 to 5+ that is just a 31.8% reduction

BUT a more realistic comparison would be either
A) wait for them to give us a price and then start cheering if it is less.
b) unlike broaddcastnow that

BroadbandNow pricing data referenced in this study is drawn from our market-wide database of plan speeds and pricing for wired (Cable, Fiber, DSL) providers offering plans with at least the minimum level broadband speeds as defined by the FCC (25 Mbps download, 3 Mbps upload).

start with prices for satelite https://www.satelliteinternet.com/re...internet-cost/

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Denon admitting that there is a defect with their product (X6700H) and then saying that it doesn't really matter because most of their customers won't notice it is the kind of attitude that really instills confidence. It is kind of like they are being both lazy and insulting their customers as being too obtuse to notice their mistakes.

"We did shoddy work, bit we hid it well" would be an accurate slogan for them in this instance.

My comment was not just meant to be about Denon. For the most part they are a reputable company. It is just that even if true it is a pure BS comment. Most people don't care if their cars can reach 200 miles an hour, and I am one of them which is why I never ask what is the top speed that car can reach. On the other hand if Joe were the type of person that would ask can the car reach 200 miles an hour that would mean Joe is not like most people and he cares if the car can reach that speed. "most people won't care" IMHO is a way to dismiss reality because if the person is asking he is obviously not like most people.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

My comment was not just meant to be about Denon. For the most part they are a reputable company. It is just that even if true it is a pure BS comment. Most people don't care if their cars can reach 200 miles an hour, and I am one of them which is why I never ask what is the top speed that car can reach. On the other hand if Joe were the type of person that would ask can the car reach 200 miles an hour that would mean Joe is not like most people and he cares if the car can reach that speed. "most people won't care" IMHO is a way to dismiss reality because if the person is asking he is obviously not like most people.

"Most people" wouldn't be in the market for a $2500 AVR in the first place.

I still like Denon products overall, but I dislike their shrugging off this specific defect in workmanship as something that "most people" won't notice. It suggests that they don't much care about quality control and that they think that they can pull one over on the majority of their customers. The latter is probably true, but it is a piss poor attitude just the same.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Vilya

"Most people" wouldn't be in the market for a $2500 AVR in the first place.

I still like Denon products overall, but I dislike their shrugging off this specific defect in workmanship as something that "most people" won't notice. It suggests that they don't much care about quality control and that they think that they can pull one over on the majority of their customers. The latter is probably true, but it is a piss poor attitude just the same.

The one we discussed sells on Ebay so you realistically know what the pricing is. But this pandemic has really made it bad for consumers. Yes I though that was lame to use components of lesser quality impacting test measurements. I posted that news byte awhile back here. Example below.

“Denon is pleased to work with ASR once again, who kindly shared his Denon AVR-X6700H measurement results with Denon engineering. The initial results ASR shared were surprising and prompted an investigation, which resulted in Denon engineering identifying measurement irregularities caused by a particular capacitor used in the initial production run to mitigate a supply issue caused by the COVID-19 pandemic. The latest production units have the capacitor Denon typically uses, which does not show the same measurement results.

Even with the previous production units affected by the capacitor constraint, Denon sound masters approved the audio quality in the initial AVR-X6700H production run and we’re confident it sounds just as good as the latest production units. However, if you purchased a Denon AVR-X6700H and have concerns, please reach out to Denon customer support after August 5, 2020 and we will verify if your unit is affected and offer a replacement if merited.

PS the x6500 went for $2199, so only $400 cheaper at dealers now.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

The one we discussed sells on Ebay so you realistically know what the pricing is. But this pandemic has really made it bad for consumers. Yes I though that was lame to use components of lesser quality impacting test measurements. I posted that news byte awhile back here. Example below.



PS the x6500 went for $2199, so only $400 cheaper at dealers now.

It is $700 cheaper than its successor the X6700H; that was my point. The X6500H goes for $1799 vs. $2499 for the X6700H.

The Marantz SR8012 is only $200 cheaper than its successor: the SR8015; $2999 vs. $3199.

I am still inclined to save up my pennies and get the SR8015 unless I learn of a better option during the interim. Thanks for the recommendation of the SR8015 and for potentially costing me $700 more than I had expected to spend.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Vilya

It is $700 cheaper than its successor the X6700H; that was my point. The X6500H goes for $1799 vs. $2499 for the X6700H.

The Marantz SR8012 is only $200 cheaper than its successor: the SR8015; $2999 vs. $3199.

In both cases the new models include an AM/FM tuner whereas their predecessors omitted it.

I am still inclined to save up my pennies and get the SR8015 unless I learn of a better option during the interim. Thanks for the recommendation of the SR8015 and for potentially costing me $700 more than I had expected to spend.

When I think of all the older computers I dropped $2000+ on, at least these are long term investments. This web site allows a lot of comparisons between two AVR models. Might find it helpful.

I went and did some digging, turns out the 8012 and 8015 get just as hot as the x6500 and x6700. So maybe just a x6500 will be nice.

The Downside (8012). (source)
I don't want to repeat myself too much here as pertains to IMAX Enhanced, because there isn't much more to say about it than I said in my review of the Denon AVR-X4500H, so see that review for further thoughts on this nascent platform. TL;DR? Don't buy the SR8012 for IMAX Enhanced alone. Heck, don't buy any receiver for IMAX Enhanced alone. At least not right now. That could change down the road, however.

A more significant consideration, in my opinion--and let me stress again that this is a consideration, not a criticism--is that the SR8012 runs hotter than Satan's nether regions. Even after a few hours of casual TV watching with the volume set at moderate levels, the top of the chassis was literally painful to the touch. And seriously, no joke, after just a few hours the temperature in the room was a solid four degrees warmer than the adjacent bedrooms.

With that said, I absolutely must stress that the SR8012 appears to have been built with heat dissipation in mind. Its heat sinks are substantial and well-positioned, and the receiver doesn't appear to me to be compromised in any way in terms of airflow. Just the opposite, in fact.

In other words, I don't want to give you the impression that this AVR is in any danger of cooking itself. It does a great job of getting rid of its heat. But that heat is measured in metric buttloads, and as such you shouldn't even think about installing the SR8012 in an enclosed shelf with poor airflow. This puppy needs room to breathe. It should also come packed with a recipe for Eggs Florentine.

X6700H source
Consumers unfamiliar with Denon gear may also be surprised by how hot the unit runs. It definitely needs some breathing room, although the active and passive cooling never failed me even when I cranked the volume and left it there for far too long. I did notice, though, that the cooling fans were loud enough to hear even from across the room, so if you're watching a film with a dynamic mix of loud and quiet passages, you may pick up on that slight sonic intrusion when the action calms down.

[alchav21]

You're right JohnAV I wonder if people think about their equipment ventilation. Electronic equipment puts out a lot of heat, and if it doesn't have the right ventilation it will over heat and fail. I'm always surprised how people put their 4KTV over the fireplace!

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You're right JohnAV I wonder if people think about their equipment ventilation. Electronic equipment puts out a lot of heat, and if it doesn't have the right ventilation it will over heat and fail. I'm always surprised how people put their 4KTV over the fireplace!

I see it mostly done to keep kids away from the display. Some home layouts also present the homeowner without any other choice in their living room. If you have a nice glass door installation for you fireplace you can minimize any heat or smoke.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

When I think of all the older computers I dropped $2000+ on, at least these are long term investments. This web site allows a lot of comparisons between two AVR models. Might find it helpful.

I went and did some digging, turns out the 8012 and 8015 get just as hot as the x6500 and x6700. So maybe just a x6500 will be nice.

I was mistaken about the X6500H and the SR8012 not having AM/FM tuners, so that eliminates that concern.

The X6500H is substantially discounted due to the newer model, so that's a plus in its favor.

The newer models, the X6700H and the SR8015, support HDCP 2.3 while their predecessors support HDCP 2.2. How important is that?

If all four of these models work equally well as space heaters, then there is no distinction to be made there. It is nice to know that I can toast marshmallows over any one of them. My AVR will be placed in a well ventilated location.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Vilya

The newer models, the X6700H and the SR8015, support HDCP 2.3 while their predecessors support HDCP 2.2. How important is that?

Revision 2.3 came out March 2018, first appeared on 2019 models of TV's, it is a more advanced form of HDCP to pair with HDMI 2.1. There could be some point in the future where all devices to pass 4K/8K require HDCP 2.3, if HDCP 2.2 is rendered inadequate. If you look at 2 models of LG 8K" they both mention HDCP 2.2. However LG says it selected Synopsys (two examples)

We selected Synopsys' compliant HDMI 2.1 IP with HDCP 2.3 content protection due to their advanced features, enabling us to quickly deliver lifelike color and cinematic audio to our customers while meeting the high-grade content protection standards of major production companies.

Companies like LG are turning to Synopsys for integrated solutions, such as HDMI 2.1 IP with HDCP 2.3 content protection, that offer the required features and are compliant with the latest specifications," said John Koeter, vice president of marketing for IP at Synopsys

The main deal here is that there is nothing out there that actually is using HDCP 2.3

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

My brother in law (husband of sister who is in hospital) has been rushed to hospital and is in intensive care. My sister not only poorly but hysterical about hubby now. I’m going take a couple of days break guys, take care.

Originally Posted by Ender14

Take care brother. I will keep your family in my thoughts. I hope everyone pulls through ok.

Originally Posted by Vilya

I hope that they both rally and fully recover. You and your family will be on my mind.

Originally Posted by bhampton

You Know we care and we are
Hopeful for you.

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Got to be a tough time for Steedeel having two family members with the virus. The better half has a close friend that contracted the virus and stayed in the hospital for many days. She did make it, was released and continues to recover. Hope the same for Steedeel's family.

Originally Posted by sapiendut

Take care Steedeel.

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Best wishes for a full recovery Steedeel.

Originally Posted by alchav21

Hope for a fast recovery Steedeel, we'll all be waiting for your return.

Originally Posted by gotmule

So sorry to hear this news. Be strong for your family and we will keep the light on for you.

Originally Posted by Anthony P

sorry to hear. A bit late but I wish them all the best, people do recover from going to the hospital and the ICU so keep up the hope. You need to take good care of yourself

Thank you all so much for your support, it’s very much appreciated.

Since last update my sister was taken into intensive care. I’m delighted to say she has now been moved back to the COVID ward and is making steady progress. It was incredibly worrying but her body must be stronger than we thought considering her other health issues.

Her hubby is still in intensive care but is making great progress and the doctor said he should be back on a ward soon if he continues to progress. So the week has ended much better than it began. The family feared the worst but we are now in a better frame of mind.

This is a vicious virus to people with underlying health problems, do everything you can to stay safe guys. Especially if you fall into that category.

Thanks again.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Since last update my sister was taken into intensive care. I’m delighted to say she has now been moved back to the COVID ward and is making steady progress. It was incredibly worrying but her body must be stronger than we thought considering her other health issues.

Her hubby is still in intensive care but is making great progress and the doctor said he should be back on a ward soon if he continues to progress. So the week has ended much better than it began. The family feared the worst but we are now in a better frame of mind.

glad to hear they are doing better (no matter how small it is a good sign), fingers crossed for full recovery soon.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

I see it mostly done to keep kids away from the display. Some home layouts also present the homeowner without any other choice in their living room. If you have a nice glass door installation for you fireplace you can minimize any heat or smoke.

I think it is more of a design choice then anything else.. People have decided fireplaces are sexy, which is why there are so many fake fireplaces on the market. because of that rooms are designed for it to be the focal point of the room (even if it is barely ever turned on) and so the best place for the TV (something they really focus on every day for many hours) is at the same focal point (i.e. above the fake or real fireplace)

[zarquon]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You're right JohnAV I wonder if people think about their equipment ventilation. Electronic equipment puts out a lot of heat, and if it doesn't have the right ventilation it will over heat and fail. I'm always surprised how people put their 4KTV over the fireplace!

I often wonder about TVs over fireplaces as well; aside from any heat issues, it seems way too high. Seems unnatural to look up at the screen, I'd much rather it be at eye level.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Vilya

If all four of these models work equally well as space heaters, then there is no distinction to be made there.

Could you accommodate two to three devices instead of one (receiver)? If so, would you entertain the idea of separates, as in an AVP and amplifiers? Never looked into multi channel amplifiers but I know they are made by several companies, one example is by Outlaw Audio here.

Well made amplifiers should last a really long time and a AVP should generate much less heat than a AVR. The initial cost for separates could be more but should be less spread over many years.

My Crown DC-300 was put into service in 1972 and still being used, Hafler DH-200 and DH-120's, Crown PS-400 put into service in 1983 and still being used except the PS-400 which is on standby. Have two Crown XLS 1000's in service but they are only 5 years old.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by zarquon

I often wonder about TVs over fireplaces as well; aside from any heat issues, it seems way too high. Seems unnatural to look up at the screen, I'd much rather it be at eye level.

Yes that is a concern also, and many people have complained about the problem. Now they have mounting brackets that can bring the TV down to eye level. When looking for a new home this should be one of the priorities, where to put your Big Screen UHD TV. My new homes also have to have Structured Cat Wiring, and a RJ45 behind the Entertainment Center is a must.