Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Vilya

You always ignore ALL of the ongoing costs involved with delivering digital content: server farms, their power consumption (which is enormous), data storage costs (servers have short lifespans), bandwidth costs (also huge), and the human labor to maintain and operate these facilities (another big expense).

Not ignoring the costs. I am zeroing in the what it takes to get the content to the buyer. In this frame of reference, Digital has it all over Physical.

A disc sale incurs no ongoing support costs to anyone. Once a disc is sold the buyer is responsible for all costs associated with its usage. A digital sale requires constant support. My digital collection represents an ongoing expense and without my making more purchases (not likely) they will eventually lose money on me.

I have noticed in the 4K UHD-BD Back To The Future Trilogy thread - there is a problem with one of the discs. How is that going to be handled?

I've been through 3 DVD players and 2 BD players in the last 10 years - all had to be thrown out and replaced with new players. They stopped working. I've had the same desktop PC for the last 11 years.

Also . . . keep in mind . . . I have never paid a single penny for an EST or a VOD. No freebees either. I can argue for or against Digital or Physical. It's called being objective.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

I've been through 3 DVD players and 2 BD players in the last 10 years - all had to be thrown out and replaced with new players. They stopped working. I've had the same desktop PC for the last 11 years.

Also . . . keep in mind . . . I have never paid a single penny for an EST or a VOD. No freebees either. I can argue for or against Digital or Physical. It's called being objective.

Thanks for enlightening me, I was wondering if you bought the farm and gone one direction with all your many posts over the comment you must defend until you expire.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Not ignoring the costs. I am zeroing in the what it takes to get the content to the buyer. In this frame of reference, Digital has it all over Physical.

I have noticed in the 4K UHD-BD Back To The Future Trilogy thread - there is a problem with one of the discs. How is that going to be handled?

I've been through 3 DVD players and 2 BD players in the last 10 years - all had to be thrown out and replaced with new players. They stopped working. I've had the same desktop PC for the last 11 years.

Also . . . keep in mind . . . I have never paid a single penny for an EST or a VOD. No freebees either. I can argue for or against Digital or Physical. Depends on my mood.

Digital is a money pit.

You are ignoring ALL of the costs that it requires to get "the content to the buyer." Digital requires massive ongoing support to deliver that content each and every day from the moment that the digital purchase was made.

I have not made a digital purchase in quite awhile, but the costs to deliver what I do have in my digital collection continues to accrue and it will keep accruing. I will cease to be a profitable digital customer soon if I have not already. This model requires that I continue to buy more digital content and if I do not do so, I represent a loss to them.

When I buy a disc, all costs associated with playing that disc are mine. The studios made their money and they're done. No continuous support costs.

As to the Back To The Future 4K release, it has been reported by some that the chroma sampling is incorrect for about 10 minutes in the first movie. Some see it and some don't and some do, but don't care, so whether or not Universal will do anything about it remains to be seen.

I have never had any type of video disc player fail. My laserdisc player even still works. You either have very bad luck (and me very good luck), or you treat your stuff roughly.

What you call being "objective" is pretty akin to being a devil's advocate. I think you enjoy arguing any side of pretty much anything.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

Thanks for enlightening me, I was wondering if you bought the farm and gone one direction with all your many posts over the comment you must defend until you expire.

Let me know when someone puts the bricks to you and you curl up into the fetus position, closing your eyes and sucking their thumb. I want to see that.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Let me know when someone puts the bricks to you and you curl up into the fetus position, closing your eyes and sucking their thumb. I want to see that.

Don't go all 2001 on me please. Such a primitive science fiction example. It was fun for its time.

Just think if Interstellar would have shown back then, would have been a lot more intelligent story to take in.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

You still didn't tell me where you stand with streaming vs physical media outside stats and financials?

If that member had not deleted their account at AVS I could show you some of their background. Member was a staunch HD DVD supporter, constantly railed against Blu-ray and became a streaming advocate when HD DVD folded. Not sure why a Blu-ray supported would wait till 2019 to become a member at this site.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

If that member had not deleted their account at AVS I could show you some of their background. Member was a staunch HD DVD supporter, constantly railed against Blu-ray and became a streaming advocate when HD DVD folded. Not sure why a Blu-ray supported would wait till 2019 to become a member at this site.

Yeah, I guessed wrong during the format war having initially supported HD DVD. When it became clear that blu-ray was the winner I was not at all bitter about switching over. I was just happy as hell to have high definition content on disc.

I still have the HD DVD drive that attaches to the Xbox 360 and it still works. I only have 5 HD DVD discs left and only one of them has not made it to blu-ray. Come February, the last one will be on blu-ray and I will have no more need for this capability.

As it turns out, HD DVD discs had an unusually high failure rate; the best disc, blu-ray, won.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Vilya

As to the Back To The Future 4K release, it has been reported by some that the chroma sampling is incorrect for about 10 minutes in the first movie. Some see it and some don't and some do, but don't care, so whether or not Universal will do anything about it remains to be seen.]

Here are some details, I was curious if the 4K stream shows the same issues?

[Show spoiler]

Originally Posted by likemarsen

I'm watching it now...I started at 1:14:05 (near the end of Marty and George rehearsing their plan)...I *think* I can see what you're talking about starting at 1:14:30 (look at the sky above the clock tower and the shading in the trees. 1:15:22 or so looks bad as well.

However, I don't really see an end to that issue for the next 15 min.+. I'm at the point where Marty is asking Lorraine and George to go easy on their son (1:30:57), and the dark parts of the image still have the same look as the clocktower sky, maybe a little bit better.

Does anyone have a timestamp of when their "chroma glitch" ends so I can get a better understanding of what is going on?

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

Here are some details, I was curious if the 4K stream shows the same issues.

I don't own this set and thus I also do not own the 4K digital copies, so I am just watching the conversation from the sidelines.

Some are incensed about this chroma issue while many say the set looks, dare I say it, "Fantastic!"

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

If that member had not deleted their account at AVS I could show you some of their background. Member was a staunch HD DVD supporter, constantly railed against Blu-ray and became a streaming advocate when HD DVD folded. Not sure why a Blu-ray supported would wait till 2019 to become a member at this site.

Wendall . . . you . . . are full of shit!

I did not delete my account at AVS. I was put on permanent ban over 10 years ago. AVS deleted my account.

Yes I was a staunch supporter of HD DVD. Yes I railed against BD during the Format War. I had lurked here at BD.com for 10 years: 2009 to 2019.

I was a premier member of High Def Forum until January of 2019 when the site went out of business. That prompted me to sign up here.

And another lie of yours . . . that I supported streaming when HD DVD folded. I had no idea streaming existed until 2 years ago when I first become a Netflix subscriber.

[slaizer2000]

Number 1 reason why I do physical disc and use the code. I do sometimes buy 4k upgrades to blurays/dvds I have so I have it digitally because they are cheap on here. I think amazon is stingy but would also not be surprised if MA , VUDU, etc has the same legal terms.


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[Vilya]

On second thought, I'm no longer a conductor. I can walk away from train wrecks now.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Wendall . . . you . . . are full of shit!

Not really, have had D-IBS for many years now. Of course you can make most any claim you want about what you did or did not do as long as neither one of us can prove it. I made the disclaimer that I could not provide links to your post at AVS.

And one more post like that may get you banned here. You decide!

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Was it due to anger management issues?

Nope. I was told not to do something. I did it anyway. Nothing to do with "anger issues."

Your emotional response here seems way out of proportion. Being incorrect about why you departed from AVS and your being described as liking streaming are not exactly fighting words.

Stuff it Vilya!

He didn't even have the guts to use my name did he? He refers to me as "member"

And he outright lied about my supporting SVOD when HD DVD folded. I did no such thing.

So I think my "emotional outburst" is DEFINITELY in line with the PERSONAL ATTACK Wendell decided to launch at me.

Fu*ck him and the horse he rode in on.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by slaizer2000

Number 1 reason why I do physical disc and use the code. I do sometimes buy 4k upgrades to blurays/dvds I have so I have it digitally because they are cheap on here. I think amazon is stingy but would also not be surprised if MA , VUDU, etc has the same legal terms.


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Those terms are pretty much universal with all of the digital providers. I can reduce their EULAs to this one sentence: they guarantee nothing and they reserve the right to do whatever they please.

[Vilya]

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Not really, have had D-IBS for many years now. Of course you can make most any claim you want about what you did or did not do as long as neither one of us can prove it. I made the disclaimer that I could not provide links to your post at AVS.

And one more post like that may get you banned here. You decide!

Already done - try your best. It was YOU who first attacked me for what reason I have no idea but it was a personal attack that was 1oo% wholly unwarranted.

I have absolutely no reason to lie about any of your bullshit claims.

[Vilya]

I was going to have a peach iced tea, but decided that adding the peach juice was inconvenient. Sometimes convenience is the way to go.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Already done - try your best.

I merely pointed out that you had a history of railing against Blu-ray and appears you continue to do so. A BD supported would have been here years ago showing support for BD but you show up late and take every opportunity to show BD on the slide.

You have yet to produce a list of BD's that would sell at 2010, 2011 levels.

[Vilya]

Some sage advice was recently given to me:

Originally Posted by gotmule

Hey Guys. Might I suggest walking away for a bit? This debate seems to be heading towards an inevitable conclusion, and is not helping anyone’s blood pressure or standing within this forum. Just a thought.

Might be worth considering now.