The Official Energy Speakers Thread

[callas01]

Originally Posted by donaldsonjune

hello all,

anyone matching the rc-10 or 30s with a Mirage OMD-C1 center?
vanns has a gret sale on the Mirage OMD-C1 for $300.

while Mirage uses the Energy Kevlar woofers with the ribbed elipticals, I believe the tweeter is different, so it may sound different overall. You could always buy it and see how you like it and if its too off sounding just send it back.

[Adam.C]

Originally Posted by donaldsonjune

hello all,

anyone matching the rc-10 or 30s with a Mirage OMD-C1 center?
vanns has a gret sale on the Mirage OMD-C1 for $300.

Just save your cash money imo. Your c-c100 should hold you till you can get an rc-lcr

[donaldsonjune]

thanks callas & adam,

my c-c100 is great. i was inquiring for a friend.

[patwrightjr]

hey guys, well now that my rc-10's are now broken in, I can't help but still feel a little buyers regret...i mean they sound great but they just didnt seem to blow away my 10 year old BIC DV62. So i decided to do a demo and put the RC-10's and the BIC's side by side in a music matchup! Before I came to this website i really didn't understand the difference between "Linear" speakers and lets say more "bright" or "in your face" speaker. As normal the energy sounded great, very clean and clear and Linear, but when i hooked up the old BIC i noticed a clearer mid which made my RC-10 sound a bit coloured and really noticed the FerroFluid cooled tweeter sounded much brighter which i had really missed, but you could hear a bit more distortion with the highs being that bright (its funny cause i always thought these BIC's where a bit laid back). I had really missed how crisp the sound was that the Energys just didn't give. As i cranked the volume they both sounded great but the Energy could take a bit more volume before the distortion would hit and would be the winner at a really high volume with that Linear sound. Now this test has really gotten me to secondguess my future purchase of the RC-30's or even the RC-50's, Though im not sure how to do a proper HT demo to test both sets where the Energys could do what i was hoping and blow out those old BIC's! Im starting to maybe realize, maybe i don't prefer a "Linear" speaker, maybe i prefer a little more crispiness (if there is such a word) and maybe some more imaging. Any opinions would be great guys, maybe suggest the kind of speaker that i could demo...as of right now im very temped with the idea to order a set of BIC DV64 towers for a mere $115ea and save a boatload not having to buy that RC-CLR speaker. Sorry for rampling but what do you guys think...keep in mind that this all started cause i wanted to "upgrade" on a tight budget????

[patwrightjr]

by the way, the RC seem to match all the BIC's in a great way even in 5channel stereo...you get a very clean and clear sounding front stage and a more crisp sounding sides and rear

[callas01]

Originally Posted by patwrightjr

hey guys, well now that my rc-10's are now broken in, I can't help but still feel a little buyers regret...i mean they sound great but they just didnt seem to blow away my 10 year old BIC DV62. So i decided to do a demo and put the RC-10's and the BIC's side by side in a music matchup! Before I came to this website i really didn't understand the difference between "Linear" speakers and lets say more "bright" or "in your face" speaker. As normal the energy sounded great, very clean and clear and Linear, but when i hooked up the old BIC i noticed a clearer mid which made my RC-10 sound a bit coloured and really noticed the FerroFluid cooled tweeter sounded much brighter which i had really missed, but you could hear a bit more distortion with the highs being that bright (its funny cause i always thought these BIC's where a bit laid back). I had really missed how crisp the sound was that the Energys just didn't give. As i cranked the volume they both sounded great but the Energy could take a bit more volume before the distortion would hit and would be the winner at a really high volume with that Linear sound. Now this test has really gotten me to secondguess my future purchase of the RC-30's or even the RC-50's, Though im not sure how to do a proper HT demo to test both sets where the Energys could do what i was hoping and blow out those old BIC's! Im starting to maybe realize, maybe i don't prefer a "Linear" speaker, maybe i prefer a little more crispiness (if there is such a word) and maybe some more imaging. Any opinions would be great guys, maybe suggest the kind of speaker that i could demo...as of right now im very temped with the idea to order a set of BIC DV64 towers for a mere $115ea and save a boatload not having to buy that RC-CLR speaker. Sorry for rampling but what do you guys think...keep in mind that this all started cause i wanted to "upgrade" on a tight budget????

PAT.

You are close.... the BICs are bright and probably more Dynamic, in that they highs get higher and the lows get deeper, the Energys are Laidback to Neutral sounding and more linear. Linear means the highs and lows don't over power or the mid-range or one doesn't stand out above the other. The Mid-range is the most important part of music and movies, HOWEVER, many people think the more bass and the louder they get the better the speakers are. That is just what some people like.

I always try to caution people that Energy may not be the sound they are looking for because they are Linear, they're not forward sounding. So you are a classic case of someone that likes a different sound.

PSB (they use ferrofluid i believe), Focal, Monitor Audio, Kef may be speakers you might like more, also there is Anaheim is Hsu Research, you could listen to their speakers. They are horns, but really smooth horns and will have more of a dynamic sound. Totem makes a neutral speaker, but their Mites are very good, with good dynamics.

[Miker107]

Originally Posted by callas01

PAT.

You are close.... the BICs are bright and probably more Dynamic, in that they highs get higher and the lows get deeper, the Energys are Laidback to Neutral sounding and more linear. Linear means the highs and lows don't over power or the mid-range or one doesn't stand out above the other. The Mid-range is the most important part of music and movies, HOWEVER, many people think the more bass and the louder they get the better the speakers are. That is just what some people like.

I always try to caution people that Energy may not be the sound they are looking for because they are Linear, they're not forward sounding. So you are a classic case of someone that likes a different sound.

PSB (they use ferrofluid i believe), Focal, Monitor Audio, Kef may be speakers you might like more, also there is Anaheim is Hsu Research, you could listen to their speakers. They are horns, but really smooth horns and will have more of a dynamic sound. Totem makes a neutral speaker, but their Mites are very good, with good dynamics.

Historically, I had been more inclined toward more dynamic sounding speakers as well. However, the more I listen to the Energy's the more I love the sound. I notice more detail in both music and movies, and I love the nice "linear" balance across the high, mid, and low frequencies. I guess I'm one of the exceptions in this case, as I now prefer the more linear sound.

Edit: Depending upon the material your listening to, I find the RC-10 to actually sound fairly dynamic at times. For example, I was listening to a band I used to listen to a few years ago called Dag, a kind of funk type of music, and they sounded fairly dynamic through my RC-10's. I was impressed.

[callas01]

Originally Posted by Miker107

Historically, I had been more inclined toward more dynamic sounding speakers as well. However, the more I listen to the Energy's the more I love the sound. I notice more detail in both music and movies, and I love the nice "linear" balance across the high, mid, and low frequencies. I guess I'm one of the exceptions in this case, as I now prefer the more linear sound.

Edit: Depending upon the material your listening to, I find the RC-10 to actually sound fairly dynamic at times. For example, I was listening to a band I used to listen to a few years ago called Dag, a kind of funk type of music, and they sounded fairly dynamic through my RC-10's. I was impressed.

I was listening to Phoenix, and alternative band the other day and there was really nice bass coming out of the C-300s... and yes the sub was off.

[Miker107]

Originally Posted by callas01

I was listening to Phoenix, and alternative band the other day and there was really nice bass coming out of the C-300s... and yes the sub was off.

I don't use my sub for music either. I find the bass to be very good, and the highs to be nice and crisp, and yet not overpowering. Just a nice balance overall.

[Adam.C]

That is why it is always recommended to AUDITION before a purchase. Of course its a little harder with Energies as I have a hard time finding them in stores in my area. At least the RC series.

[patwrightjr]

well, i auditioned paradigm and some energy CB-20's..I really wanted some paradigm Titans but my local dealer wanted $600 a pair, so i demoed the CB-20 and in the audition room i decided that for the price and the great sound you get id get a set of Energys! then after reading about the RC10's i decided if they sounded better then id grab them without an audition cause i couldnt find any to autdition anyways. Don't get me wrong, these RC's are sweet but it seems only a very slight improvement over what i have, if im going to spend over a grand for the rest of my energys i need to be sure their dynamics are going to come out or not..

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by patwrightjr

well, i auditioned paradigm and some energy CB-20's..I really wanted some paradigm Titans but my local dealer wanted $600 a pair, so i demoed the CB-20 and in the audition room i decided that for the price and the great sound you get id get a set of Energys! then after reading about the RC10's i decided if they sounded better then id grab them without an audition cause i couldnt find any to autdition anyways. Don't get me wrong, these RC's are sweet but it seems only a very slight improvement over what i have, if im going to spend over a grand for the rest of my energys i need to be sure their dynamics are going to come out or not..

You sound like a great candidate to Totem Speakers honestly and the RC- would work eell as surround speakers. Just a thaught they are dynamic but extremely detailed.

Rainmakers a 1k (bookshelves)
Sttaf at 1900 (Floorstanding)

[Jwilly019]

Originally Posted by BigAl87

You sound like a great candidate to Totem Speakers honestly and the RC- would work eell as surround speakers. Just a thaught they are dynamic but extremely detailed.

Rainmakers a 1k (bookshelves)
Sttaf at 1900 (Floorstanding)

I know each Totem line has their own sound. Which line would you say is closest to Energy's sound (neutral and linear)?

Justin

[patwrightjr]

hmmm, maybe the Mites??

[callas01]

Originally Posted by patwrightjr

well, i auditioned paradigm and some energy CB-20's..I really wanted some paradigm Titans but my local dealer wanted $600 a pair, so i demoed the CB-20 and in the audition room i decided that for the price and the great sound you get id get a set of Energys! then after reading about the RC10's i decided if they sounded better then id grab them without an audition cause i couldnt find any to autdition anyways. Don't get me wrong, these RC's are sweet but it seems only a very slight improvement over what i have, if im going to spend over a grand for the rest of my energys i need to be sure their dynamics are going to come out or not..

I have heard several people say the towers have good bass. Now I don't know if your looking for deep slam or just just tight controlled bass.

Deep slam is common among the British Monitors; Monitor Audio, B&W, KEF, and others.

Canadian speakers are more linearly built, now the Paradigms are not super bass producers either, I just heard the Monitor 11s and the Studio 60s yesterday.

Totems are more dynamic, I would say if your going to spend money like that audition whatever you can.

Linear speakers can have some good bass... I am always impressed with what PSB and Energy and Dynaudio can do with a linear design and the bass thats involved.

[callas01]

Originally Posted by patwrightjr

hmmm, maybe the Mites??

the sttafs are great and the mites are their bookshelf speaker equivalent.


Justin, the totems are neutral and not linear. At least not the ones I have heard. to say they are laidback or warm would be incorrect. they are neutral and dynamic. however they are really nice speakers.

If you want mid-range that is better then the totems and linear, the Dynaudio Excites are what you would be interested in,. however they are neutral, very neutral and linear.

[patwrightjr]

I have been to the HSU building in anaheim and demoed thier horned bookshelves, they sounded very dynamic and crazy imaging in 2 channel mode..it was quite impressing. But it was their own custom music we listened too, so ill need to visit again which something im familiar with..Ive been wanting to hear the next generation in BIC which is a horn speaker as well but id have to buy just to hear, and reviews are just not there, this is where i base most of my decisions to demo.

[Jwilly019]

Originally Posted by patwrightjr

hmmm, maybe the Mites??

Originally Posted by callas01

the sttafs are great and the mites are their bookshelf speaker equivalent.


Justin, the totems are neutral and not linear. At least not the ones I have heard. to say they are laidback or warm would be incorrect. they are neutral and dynamic. however they are really nice speakers.

If you want mid-range that is better then the totems and linear, the Dynaudio Excites are what you would be interested in,. however they are neutral, very neutral and linear.

Thanks. I'll obviously be auditioning before making any purchases, but I wanted to get an idea of what I can expect before I get to the dealer. Energy's sound has really grown on me, but if Totem or Dynaudio (or any other manufacturer) can improve on that SQ, I'm all for it.

Justin

[patwrightjr]

and i have heard the Martin Logans, they are a bit on the extreme side of dynamic for my taste but im sure they sound great for HT...but cant imagine they can be that good for music

[Jwilly019]

Originally Posted by patwrightjr

and i have heard the Martin Logans, they are a bit on the extreme side of dynamic for my taste but im sure they sound great for HT...but cant imagine they can be that good for music

I thought they worked great with music when I listened to them. You say you've heard them, did you listen to any music through them?

Justin