Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Ok, my bad.

I don't see the relevance though. What does multi disc players have to do with anything? No one is that lazy surely?

I think a lot of digital supporters are. Why else would they give up quality and control for extra convenience?

[SarahS]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

What a pathetic post. Blu-ray Disc prices have been reasonable for a long long time. You are talking about when the format was first introduced. That's the same for all tech and formats. Some of us value film, we are not part of this self centred, entitled brigade that think all film should cost a couple of dollars or even be free. We happen to love and adore film, that's what separates us from (IMO) the likes of yourself. A product is released that offers high quality, I happily pay for it at a fair price.

By the way, you are not Slick1ru2 in disguise are you?

I am not quite sure but nothing in the reply had anything to do with what I had said. This sounded more as an attack on my post than a coherent discussion of my post. It seems that the laziness in reading the post might be worse than those that prefer to go to a shelf and insert a disc.

Point: People are looking for faster means of accessing data/films.
Point: The Cost of Multi Disc players were/are insanely high
Point: People buy films use the code and sell the media / or buy the film sell the code and the media separately. In either case the is a growing demand for digital media.

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by SarahS

I am not quite sure but nothing in the reply had anything to do with what I had said. This sounded more as an attack on my post than a coherent discussion of my post. It seems that the laziness in reading the post might be worse than those that prefer to go to a shelf and insert a disc.

Point: People are looking for faster means of accessing data/films.
Point: The Cost of Multi Disc players were/are insanely high
Point: People buy films use the code and sell the media / or buy the film sell the code and the media separately. In either case the is a growing demand for digital media.

I think it's already been established that Steedeel misread your post. He admitted to the mistake. But I'm curious as to why you're focusing on his post rather than the one I made earlier that directly responded to your points:

Originally Posted by SarahS

One trip to ebay to see all the physical media for sale "without" the digital code should tell you something.

Originally Posted by PenguinMaster

It tells me that there are plenty of people (the sellers) who are only interested in digital copies and there are plenty of other people (the buyers) who are only interested in physical copies. How can you only see one side of that?

It also tells me that there are plenty of people who aren't interested in physical media but are buying combo packs. Those purchases support physical media just as much as they support digital. If everyone just buys combo packs then everything will be available on both physical media and digital, it's a win-win for everyone.

[Cevolution]

The thing that I find the most humorous, is people that complain about the piracy warnings and trailers at the beginning of discs (the majority of trailers are skippable on the titles in my collection, so I'm not sure what the issue is, is it actually having to press the skip button on the remote?), so to save having to sit through this (which is only roughly 30 seconds if the trailers are skippable), they waste a lot more of their time, by setting up home servers, sitting in front of computers and ripping discs, or visiting sites and searching for what they want and downloading files etc. Only after doing all that shit is when it becomes convenient, until you get to that point it's inconvenient.

[master gandhi]

Originally Posted by Cevolution

The thing that I find the most humorous, is people that complain about the piracy warnings and trailers at the beginning of discs (the majority of trailers are skippable on the titles in my collection, so I'm not sure what the issue is, is it actually having to press the skip button on the remote?), so to save having to sit through this (which is only roughly 30 seconds if the trailers are skippable), they waste a lot more of their time, by setting up home servers, sitting in front of computers and ripping discs, or visiting sites and searching for what they want and downloading files etc. Only after doing all that shit is when it becomes convenient, until you get to that point it's inconvenient.

So you're saying digital supporters aren't lazy. Cool! Thanks for the support!

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by master gandhi

So you're saying digital supporters aren't lazy. Cool! Thanks for the support!

They're a conundrum: they work really hard at making things more convenient. In The Simpsons thread there was someone complaining about spending a minute or two swapping discs and skipping past warnings, but they were fine with watching 5 minutes of commercials per episode when watching the digital versions.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by SarahS

I am not quite sure but nothing in the reply had anything to do with what I had said. This sounded more as an attack on my post than a coherent discussion of my post. It seems that the laziness in reading the post might be worse than those that prefer to go to a shelf and insert a disc.

Point: People are looking for faster means of accessing data/films.
Point: The Cost of Multi Disc players were/are insanely high
Point: People buy films use the code and sell the media / or buy the film sell the code and the media separately. In either case the is a growing demand for digital media.

I still don't see the link? You can only watch one Bluray at a time. Are we really at the stage where we can't be bothered to put a disc in a player? That is very worrying for future generations. They might need a robot to wipe their arse soon.

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I still don't see the link? You can only watch one Bluray at a time. Are we really at the stage where we can't be bothered to put a disc in a player? That is very worrying for future generations. They might need a robot to wipe their arse soon.

Clearly we are at that stage. Otherwise digital would never have become popular.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by PenguinMaster

Clearly we are at that stage. Otherwise digital would never have become popular.

Disc until I die for me.

[SarahS]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I still don't see the link? You can only watch one Bluray at a time. Are we really at the stage where we can't be bothered to put a disc in a player? That is very worrying for future generations. They might need a robot to wipe their arse soon.

You don't see the link to what? What exactly are you referring to? The link is this. We have a remote for our smart TV and with said remote we have access to a menus system. In that menu system we have the following: Sat or Cable TV, Netflix, Hulu, Vudu, iTunes etc. It is very convienant to have your film collection at your fingertips. I don't have to get up dig through a collection any longer open a case and pop a disc in. Hit the remote to get the BD player to spin up. I am already there with two clicks watching a film. I also jog 6 miles a day and lift weights 4 times a week so I don't think lazy has anything to do with having my film collection much more handy.

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by SarahS

You don't see the link to what? What exactly are you referring to? The link is this. We have a remote for our smart TV and with said remote we have access to a menus system. In that menu system we have the following: Sat or Cable TV, Netflix, Hulu, Vudu, iTunes etc. It is very convienant to have your film collection at your fingertips. I don't have to get up dig through a collection any longer open a case and pop a disc in. Hit the remote to get the BD player to spin up. I am already there with two clicks watching a film. I also jog 6 miles a day and lift weights 4 times a week so I don't think lazy has anything to do with having my film collection much more handy.

So you're not lazy overall, but you are lazy when it comes to watching movies. You're buying digital instead of physical specifically so you have to do less work when watching movies, that's the definition of lazy. There's nothing wrong with making things more convenient... but you're giving up control of your collection in order to achieve that.

[master gandhi]

Originally Posted by PenguinMaster

So you're not lazy overall, but you are lazy when it comes to watching movies. You're buying digital instead of physical specifically so you have to do less work when watching movies, that's the definition of lazy. There's nothing wrong with making things more convenient... but you're giving up control of your collection in order to achieve that.

So are people lazy if they're at the theater and don't help the projectionist change the film reels?

[SarahS]

Originally Posted by PenguinMaster

So you're not lazy overall, but you are lazy when it comes to watching movies. You're buying digital instead of physical specifically so you have to do less work when watching movies, that's the definition of lazy.

How is that lazy? because I like the convenience of digital? Because I can share my media over eight devices? I can share with my family and friends and vice versa? So my kids can watch films streaming as I drive down the road and don't require a limited car DVD player? There are so many more advantages to streaming than physical copies nowadays. It's not like my vinyl collection where there is a vast difference versus digital music.

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by master gandhi

So are people lazy if they're at the theater and don't help the projectionist change the film reels?

Unless the customers at the theater actually own the reels it doesn't matter who changes them. There is no disadvantage to letting someone else change the reels.

[master gandhi]

Originally Posted by PenguinMaster

Unless the customers at the theater actually own the reels it doesn't matter who changes them. There is no disadvantage to letting someone else change the reels.

Oh, I see. That was just a hypothetical anyway, since most theaters are digital now.

This Control vs. Convenience debate is always fun.

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by SarahS

How is that lazy? because I like the convenience of digital? Because I can share my media over eight devices? I can share with my family and friends and vice versa? So my kids can watch films streaming as I drive down the road and don't require a limited car DVD player? There are so many more advantages to streaming than physical copies nowadays. It's not like my vinyl collection where there is a vast difference versus digital music.

The vast difference is in the control you have over the movies in your collection. Titles can be removed from digital collections or removed from being available to buy digitally at any time and customers have absolutely no control over that. With physical media all control lies in the hands of the customers from the minute they buy the disc. Once a disc is in the hands of customers the studios can never take it away nor prevent it from being resold or given away.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by SarahS

You don't see the link to what? What exactly are you referring to? The link is this. We have a remote for our smart TV and with said remote we have access to a menus system. In that menu system we have the following: Sat or Cable TV, Netflix, Hulu, Vudu, iTunes etc. It is very convienant to have your film collection at your fingertips. I don't have to get up dig through a collection any longer open a case and pop a disc in. Hit the remote to get the BD player to spin up. I am already there with two clicks watching a film. I also jog 6 miles a day and lift weights 4 times a week so I don't think lazy has anything to do with having my film collection much more handy.

Open a case and put a disc in. Yeah, fair enough. That is a strain I must admit. Tests my limits as well to be honest.

[SarahS]

Originally Posted by PenguinMaster

The vast difference is in the control you have over the movies in your collection. Titles can be removed from digital collections or removed from being available to buy digitally at any time and customers have absolutely no control over that. With physical media all control lies in the hands of the customers from the minute they buy the disc. Once a disc is in the hands of customers the studios can never take it away nor prevent it from being resold or given away.

Since when? I have never had a film go missing. Also I have all my digital collection on five hosting platforms. Should one ever go away. Also movie collecting is a sickness and this way I can also hide my sickness.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by SarahS

You don't see the link to what? What exactly are you referring to? The link is this. We have a remote for our smart TV and with said remote we have access to a menus system. In that menu system we have the following: Sat or Cable TV, Netflix, Hulu, Vudu, iTunes etc. It is very convienant to have your film collection at your fingertips. I don't have to get up dig through a collection any longer open a case and pop a disc in. Hit the remote to get the BD player to spin up. I am already there with two clicks watching a film. I also jog 6 miles a day and lift weights 4 times a week so I don't think lazy has anything to do with having my film collection much more handy.

Your multidisc player? What do you think I am talking about. Are you saying you wouldn't bother with streaming if you had a multidisc player for a decent price? If you are, I don't believe you. It's just inventing excuses to justify the exceptance of far inferior quality for the sake of a few seconds. I'm sorry but it is just laziness IMO. Do you honestly see it as a hardship to have to put a disc in a player? I mean you still have to search through your digital collection as well.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by SarahS

Since when? I have never had a film go missing. Also I have all my digital collection on five hosting platforms.

Just wait for that one! Matter of time.