Offical Neon Genesis Evangelion Info/Update Thread

[Tiberius]

Originally Posted by Sylontack

Aniplex would be good but idk why they'd pick up a Star Child/Kings Records release? Let's face it this will be a bidding war which FUNi will have the money to win. I'm just hoping I figure out remuxing by the time it's out in August.

Found any good guides on remuxing? I am in the same boat.

[insomniac013]

Originally Posted by Naiera

Save up and you would. It does need to be Aniplex, or else we'd be stuck with some lame FUNi version where we know SOMETHING would be wrong. The only FUNi releases that aren't total crap are Eva 2.22 (but movies don't count) and Arise.

I could, but it's not worth it at Aniplex prices and I know plenty people feel the same. I'd be fine with a Funi release.

And I disagree, you're being way too harsh. I own Cowboy Bebop and it was a freaking GREAT release! And why don't movies count? You're just cherrypicking now.

[SeaFox]

Originally Posted by Tiberius

Found any good guides on remuxing? I am in the same boat.

All you really need is MKVtoolnix, It's mostly a drag and drop operation after that except setting specs on the different streams to make sure players read the streams right (if they don't detect them correctly anyway).

[Girls With Guns]

The most painful part is timing the subs. That can be quite tedious. Doing it for a 2 hour movie is one thing; for a 26+ episode anime series, you'll have no hair left - not to mention you'll be so sick of the seeing the anime in little bit's and pieces 4000 times, that you'll never want to watch it ever again.

[Tiberius]

Originally Posted by Girls With Guns

The most painful part is timing the subs. That can be quite tedious. Doing it for a 2 hour movie is one thing; for a 26+ episode anime series, you'll have no hair left - not to mention you'll be so sick of the seeing the anime in little bit's and pieces 4000 times, that you'll never want to watch it ever again.

I have already seen the Evangelion series so many times that I should be sick of it, but the prospect of poring over it for hours on end and getting to go over every little subtitle detail actually excites me. I guess this is the part of being a fan where you know you are in too deep.

[svenge]

Originally Posted by Girls With Guns

The most painful part is timing the subs. That can be quite tedious. Doing it for a 2 hour movie is one thing; for a 26+ episode anime series, you'll have no hair left - not to mention you'll be so sick of the seeing the anime in little bit's and pieces 4000 times, that you'll never want to watch it ever again.

Another thing to consider is that the scene-timing between different various masters can often be different by a couple of frames per cut, which means that re-using subs from the US "Platinum" release may not work without tweaking.

[Mobe1969]

Originally Posted by Girls With Guns

The most painful part is timing the subs. That can be quite tedious. Doing it for a 2 hour movie is one thing; for a 26+ episode anime series, you'll have no hair left - not to mention you'll be so sick of the seeing the anime in little bit's and pieces 4000 times, that you'll never want to watch it ever again.

Yeah and then when you finally feel relaxed enough to try sit down and just watch it, you are forever picking faults and want to go tweak it again. It is so damn hard.

I wonder if it would be easier if you had better, professional tools? Part of what made it so hard was having to use various bits and pieces and so much effort to get from one stage to the other, and finally then mastering, the actual loop for the entire process for even a minor change was so excruciating and long winded. And that was even without recoding the video and audio, just re-muxing. I was doing mine to just remuxed AVCHD. I wasn't re-compressing.

It does kind of ruin it.

I wish you could get blu ray players that allowed either on the fly addition of subtitles, or at the very least, the ability to change subtitle presentation (particularly font, color, opacity and position, to deal with stuff like those rubbish sentia subs).

[Naiera]

Originally Posted by insomniac013

I could, but it's not worth it at Aniplex prices and I know plenty people feel the same.

If ANYTHING is worth Aniplex prices, it's Eva. It's the single best anime TV series ever. One of the finest works of fiction in the world. Is that really not worth a slightly more expensive release?

Don't think FUNi won't milk the license either. They won't be throwing dirt cheap releases after us like they did with Bebop. And they won't make a good release no matter how expensive.

[Naiera]

Originally Posted by Girls With Guns

The most painful part is timing the subs. That can be quite tedious. Doing it for a 2 hour movie is one thing; for a 26+ episode anime series, you'll have no hair left - not to mention you'll be so sick of the seeing the anime in little bit's and pieces 4000 times, that you'll never want to watch it ever again.

If the eps are separate titles then I don't see a problem. The timing from the DVD subs should match. Whether one can find subs lifted from an official release is a different matter entirely, and if the Blu-rays have only one title, combining them would be a drag.

I'd get the Japanese release if it had subs...

[Mobe1969]

Originally Posted by Naiera

If the eps are separate titles then I don't see a problem. The timing from the DVD subs should match. Whether one can find subs lifted from an official release is a different matter entirely, and if the Blu-rays have only one title, combining them would be a drag.

I'd get the Japanese release if it had subs...

It never seems to be that easy in reality. In theory it should be, but a blu ray vs an interlaced NTSC source doesn't quite line up. I'm not sure the frame rates are quite the same (isn't one 24 hz vs 23.97 or something?). At any rate subs taken from my NTSC DVDs and overlayed onto my 1080p blu ray did not line up timing wise. Timing on other natural breaks in the shows also varies, such as after opening credits, add break, post credits etc. Plus you then tend to want to fix then, either reformatting, or joining subs that were previously split probably due to SD lower resolution vs HD, and just fixing up bad timing on the source. Plus fixing up some annoying bad translations, or figuring how to deal with occasional on screen positioned label type subs for signs (I don't have an answer on that).

[Naiera]

Re-timing the subs is easily done through software. Honestly can't remember if I had to do that the one time I lifted subs off a Hong Kong DVD release to put on a German BD.

[Sylontack]

Originally Posted by Tiberius

Found any good guides on remuxing? I am in the same boat.

Found a good guide, which worked great when I was fiddling with Brave Story but then when I tried again after that it started acting up something funny and bloating all my files (if I tried to remux Macross Frontier for example before even changing anything the output folder became like 160gb, anyone here who knows their stuff and have the patience to help me are seriously welcome. I need y'all in my life).

Originally Posted by Girls With Guns

The most painful part is timing the subs. That can be quite tedious. Doing it for a 2 hour movie is one thing; for a 26+ episode anime series, you'll have no hair left - not to mention you'll be so sick of the seeing the anime in little bit's and pieces 4000 times, that you'll never want to watch it ever again.

I kind of cheated when I was retiming Macross Frontier, I downloaded fansubs based off the BD set and just retimed them to my disc which usually just meant shifting all the subs by a second or two. Was a pain locating all the styled subs and making them simple- especially because I don't know if I got all of them and if I should have re positioned the now-non-styled lines back into a regular position (which I don't know how to do). Was also easy with one file having most but not all of the episodes in one file because I just timed all the separate episodes right then brought them together into one file for the bigger file and just compiled them together shifting them by however long into the file that episode started (I used the opening as a base because it was the one constant.
I don't know if I got rid of all the styling and made the subs themselves come through right but I know the timing is correct for what I've done so far and that only took me an afternoon.

[Thomas Guycott]

Preview renders for packaging.

Blu-ray:


Archive DVD:

[Thomas Guycott]

Remastering details.

Eva (re-)master situation:
TV 1-15/17-26 is a new telecine from 16mm film.
TV 16 - Upscale from SD master
Death/Rebirth: Film from opening day. Noise present in some parts.
End of Evangelion: Choose between film from preview screening or with "Love & Pop" afterwards

Archive DVD-Box:
TV 1-26: Original masters. Noise present in some parts.

[BigOnAnime]

Originally Posted by Naiera

If ANYTHING is worth Aniplex prices, it's Eva. It's the single best anime TV series ever. One of the finest works of fiction in the world. Is that really not worth a slightly more expensive release?

Don't think FUNi won't milk the license either. They won't be throwing dirt cheap releases after us like they did with Bebop. And they won't make a good release no matter how expensive.

Not to mention they'll be missing extras from ADV's release (Especially the easter eggs on the Platinum singles), might be missing the extras ADV failed to get us from the JP releases, won't have real booklets most likely (Like the ones from the Platinum singles), probably half-ass the disc art, and will continue to think cardboard sleeves are real digipaks (You used to do these things regularly, what happened? *Looks at Glassdoor reviews* Oh right...).

[svenge]

Blu-ray set breakdown:

• BDs 1-5: Episodes 1-26 + "director's cut" episodes 21'-24'
• BD 6: Death and Rebirth (original 1997 version)
• BD 7: The End of Evangelion (original 1997 version)
• BD 8: Revival of Evangelion (1998 theatrical re-release w/ Death[True]², Air, and Magokoro wo Kimi ni all in one program)
• BD 9: Bonus features ("Genesis Versions" of 25': Air / 26': Magokoro wo Kimi ni, Genesis 0:0 PV, Genesis 0:0' PV, and other contents from the 2003 "Renewal" DVD box set and the "Neon Genesis Evangelion Music DVD) along with some new material.
• BD 10: AR Rush versions of 12 episodes + parts of the movies (note AR Rush were referred to as "animatics" in ADV's Platinum release)

"Archive of Evangelion" DVD set breakdown:

• DVDs 1-7: TV Series 1-26 (original 1995/6 broadcast version) + bonus material on disc 7
• DVD 8: Death(True) and Rebirth (as broadcast on WOWOW satellite TV in January 1998) + bonus material

Full specs:

[Show spoiler]
Blu-ray Box (10 discs)

Discs 1-5: TV series 1-26 plus Director's Cut/Video Edition 21'-24' re-mastered in HD
Bonus: 30 second episode previews (1-20 only)
5x BD50 / 1080p / 4:3 format /5.1 & 2.0 Linear PCM tracks / AVC video / JP Subtitles

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Disc 6: Death and Rebirth HD Master
Bonus: Teaser, Trailer, TV spots
1x BD50 / 1080p / 16:9 / 2.0 Linear PCM / AVC video

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Disc 7: The End of Evangelion HD master
Bonus: Trailer/TV spots/ 5.1 surround Soundtrack (22 pieces chosen by Anno, same as from 2003 "Renewal" DVD release)
New bonus materials: "Open Binds" (Raw materials for music composed for ep 26)
"Voice Auditions" (materials for Rei/Asuka/Misato/Ritsuko/Gendo's actors)
1x BD50 / 1080p / 16:9 / 5.1 & 2.0 Linear PCM tracks / AVC video

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Disc 8: Revival of Evangelion HD Master (Death[True]² / Air / Magokoro wo Kimi ni)
1x BD50 / 1080p / 16:9 / 5.1 & 2.0 Linear PCM tracks / AVC video

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Disc 9: Bonus Material
Episodes 25' and 26' (home video edition from Genesis 0:13 and 0:14 VHS/LD releases)
Clean OP/ED
Image Board collection (from Genesis 0:1 VHS/LD)
Genesis 0:0 - In The Beginning
Genesis 0:0' - The Light from the Darkness
Episode 26' deleted live action scenes
TV Commercial collection
Music clip collection (same contents as "Neon Genesis Evangelion Music DVD" [KIBA-1299])

New bonuses made for BD-Box:
Movie Ep 26 live action making of clip (supervised by Anno)
Movie Ep 26 last scene alternative line version (Asuka line change)
BD-Box promotional clip
1x BD50 / 1080p / 16:9 / 5.1 and 2.0 Linear PCM tracks / AVC video

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Disc 10: Bonus Material
AR rush videos
Episodes 9, 15, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, Rebirth, Air (partial)
Episodes 20, 21, 25, 26, and Rebirth are newly made for this set
1x BD50 / 1080i / 4:3 / 2.0 Linear PCM / AVC video

170 pg booklet containing materials from the laser disc booklets
14x Eva no Tomo Kai broadsheets (originally from TV series Laserdisc volumes)

Archive DVD-Box details (8 discs)

Disc 1-7: TV series (on-air version)
7x dual-layer DVDs / 4:3 / Dolby Digital 2.0 / Japanese subtitles

Disc 7 Bonus footage:
TV series re-broadcast special programs (first time on-disc)
1. Movie Decision!
2. Excitement of Pre-sale Tickets
3. Voice from actress
4. Exciting Evangelion Festival!
5. Inside Gainax!
6. Everything about Evangelion Death and Rebirth

TV series re-re-broadcast special programs:
Night 1 pt 1/2
Night 2 pt 1/2/3
Night 3 pt 1/2
Final Night pt 1/2

Disc 8:
Evangelion Death (True) and Rebirth
Bonus: Death and Rebirth TV special:
Hideaki Anno "Evangelion" and "Love and Pop"
2-lay disc/letterbox (part 4:3)/Dolby Digital 2.0

32 pg booklet is also included

[Thomas Guycott]

Originally Posted by BigOnAnime

(You used to do these things regularly, what happened? *Looks at Glassdoor reviews* Oh right...).

I was aware of the EchoLight connection, but had no idea Funimation was such a toxic environment on the corporate level.

Holy shit.

[BigOnAnime]

Originally Posted by Thomas Guycott

I was aware of the EchoLight connection, but had no idea Funimation was such a toxic environment on the corporate level.

Holy shit.

From what I've heard, this kind of stuff started in like late 2012, around the time Charlene left. Definitely explains things like the decline in disc art quality, increased PR incompetence, increased leaks, screwy things like the Shangri-La S.A.V.E. typo (PROPERTY TITLE GOES HERE THE COMPLETE SERIES), Heaven's Lost Property BD slipcover over the S1 RE that was DVD-sized, etc. that began around then/shortly after.

[GLaDOS]

Holy bombshell, Studio Khara.

I'm throwing money at the screen, but nothing is happening.

[CouncilSpectre]

Yeah, there's no way this one isn't getting bought. It's one of my favourite ever anime series, and this set looks