Kaleidescape has more capacity and higher video bit rate when compared to 4K Blu-ray - Blu-ray Forum

HDTV1080P · 11-30-2021, 11:41 AM

The Kaleidescape system use to only offer 100GB 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray disc image downloads for rent or purchase, with the exact same picture and lossless audio as the original 4K Blu-ray disc. However now the Kaleidescape system for some movie titles literally offers a better picture quality when compared to 4K Blu-ray discs since the Kaleidescape system is not limited to a movie being 100GB in size and can make the movie a higher video bit rate with movie sizes like 150GB or 200GB if needed. So now for the first time consumers have a download hard drive server that has more capacity and better picture quality when compared to 4K Blu-ray discs. However, for that claim to be true the Kaleidescape system needs to offer a firmware update to support all the HDR formats like Dolby Vision HDR and HDR10+ (currently only HDR10 is supported). The Kaleidescape system does support lossless 13.1 Dolby Atmos and 11.1 DTS X. Maybe in the future the Kaleidescape system might support lossless 13.1 Auro 3D with 7.1 PCM core audio.

While the 72TB hard drive server can download a movie over a 1,000Mbps (1Gbps) Internet connection within 10 to 12 minutes using 800Mbps download speeds of the customers 1,000Mbps Internet bandwidth speed. In the ideal world since residential customers in both big cities and some rural areas are getting 10,000Mbps download/upload speeds, then a future version of the Kaleidescape system needs to include a 10,000Mbps Ethernet jack which should only add around $100 to the cost of the 72TB or larger hard drive server. At 8,000Mbps to 10,000Mbps download speed it should only take around 1 minute to download a 4K Blu-ray image instead of around 10 minutes (might have to use a very fast 128GB of DDR4 memory or a solid state drive as a buffer so that 10,000Mbps speeds can occur. The 100GB to 128GB download could be dumped into a 128GB DDR4 memory buffer then the system OS would auto copy the movie file to the 72TB hard drive server).

The Kaleidescape system now offers renting of movies which is real cool. Also, if one of the four 18TB hard drives goes down the system can still be used and as soon as the defective hard drive is replaced. The Kaleidescape system automatically downloads ones movie collection from the cloud.

The Kaleidescape system is a real awesome easy to use system that one day might replace physical optical discs like 4K Blu-ray, Blu-ray, and DVD. Kaleidescape is much better quality then VUDU and Netflix. The only real negative of the system is that it is out of the price range of the average consumer, so it can never become a mainstream product unless a complete system can be purchased for under $10,000. But if 4K Blu-ray discs did not exist one might consider spending $30,000 to $54,000+ for a system. The 72TB hard drive server costs $23,995 and each Statro C players that connect to a Smart TV or projector costs $2,995 each. If one has 10 TV’s in their home the entire setup would cost around $54,000. If one has 4 TV’s in their home the entire system would cost $36,000. Now if one wanted to go with an entry level 12TB movie server instead of the 72TB model, the 12TB server only costs $7,995. So a 3 TV setup in ones home would be around $17,000. But for the average consumer the system needs to fall under the $10,000 or $5,000 price range in order to become mainstream. The Roku Ultra boxes cost $99.99 each. Its too bad a Roku app cannot be used to communicate directly with the Kaleidescape 72TB Terra server. Some people would be willing to pay $8,000 to $24,000 for the home Kaleidescape servers if they could use a Roku ultra or other low cost $100-$500 streaming box that connects over ones existing 10GB or 1GB wired home network.

I am really happy that the Kaleidescape system exists, and a few consumers with up to 10 TV’s in their home might be willing to pay $54,000 for the complete 72TB system with 10 Strato C players. But at the same time one can purchase a very nice home projector for around $54,000 and just buy a 4K Blu-ray player starting at around $150 to $200.

Bottom line: Kaleidescape is better then 4K Blu-ray discs in capacity and overall video bit rate, however the system will always remain a niche high-end product for consumers that demand the best and want something better then what VUDU, Netflix and all other streaming providers can offer. The literal ability to have 100GB 4K image downloads for rent and purchase is real cool. Plus a wider 4K movie selection then what the 4K Blu-ray format has to offer. Instead of using optical discs one uses a hard drive server with a easy to use menu system on all the TV’s in ones house to access ones movie collection.

The following are select quotes from the September/October 2021 Widescreen Review magazine (see page 13 for the full article)

“Kaleidescape claims their movie store has the largest collection of 4K titles available and boasts over 12,000 titles for purchase and more than 8,000 for rent. They claim that users can rent or download movies in reference-quality 4K HDR with lossless Dolby Atmos and DTS-X audio, surpassing even 4K UHD discs in both convenience and quality by going beyond optical disc capacity and bit rate limits. In addition, Kaleidescape offers nearly 400 4K UHD titles not available on Blu-ray Disc. Kaleidescape’s proprietary OS operating system enables Terra 72TB to provide the content protection required by Hollywood motion picture studios for the highest-fidelity renditions of their movies.”

“Terra 72TB stories over 1,000 high fidelity 4K Ultra HD movies, a 50 percent increase over the 48TB.”

“Terra downloads full length 4K movies in as little as 10 minutes”.

“It supports any number of Strato C players and serves up to 10 simultaneous 4K UHD playbacks.”

“When the failed drive is replaced, its movies are automatically restored from the cloud.”

“The Kaleidescape Terra 72TB is priced at $23,995 MSRP and is available now.”

https://www.kaleidescape.com/pdfs/Kaleidescape-Terra-Movie-Server.pdf

HDTV1080P · 12-29-2021, 09:27 PM

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"Well, here I am one year later, and I continue to love and highly recommend the Kaleidescape experience. The A/V quality with a Kaleidescape system is second to none, and I appreciate the recent addition of a rental option for movies I want to watch but perhaps not buy without a test run. As for Kaleidescape's new Compact Terra 12TB server, it provides another entry point to this fantastic ecosystem, and also offers an option for those looking to improve the performance and increase the capacity of an existing Kaleidescape setup. This system continues to earn a Top Pick from me, and I'm very much looking forward to what the company will create in the future."

https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...-review-page-2

teddyballgame · 12-29-2021, 11:44 PM

Hard drives can store files in excess of 100gb...who knew!

So which titles specifically are larger than UHDs?

I've looked at the 4k download sizes and haven't seen anything compelling yet. Lawrence of Arabia is a 112gb download but it comes on two UHD66 and can be remuxed into a single file anyway.

HDTV1080P · 09-24-2022, 01:00 AM

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"The one knock against the playback is that Kaleidescape only supports HDR10, not the superior dynamic HDR formats like HDR10+ or Dolby Vision."

https://www.residentialsystems.com/t...b-movie-server

https://www.residentialsystems.com/t...-movie-servers

bhampton · 09-24-2022, 09:14 AM

Another Knock is it doesn't support 3D and it has no ability to use your streaming services and no Audio specific functionality so you most likely will want another component that can do those things.

Another is the system is a "closed" system and K has gone out of business once already.

The biggest negative for most people is the price. However, these systems appeal and are marketed to people with far more money than sense so that's not really a problem. The higher than reasonable price is pretty much the only reason people buy into them.

Wendell R. Breland · 09-24-2022, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

QUOTE"The one knock against the playback is that Kaleidescape only supports HDR10, not the superior dynamic HDR formats like HDR10+ or Dolby Vision."

Kaleidescape says the majority (most) of owners use the system with their projectors so no need for 10+ or DV.

Anthony P · 09-24-2022, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Kaleidescape says the majority (most) of owners use the system with their projectors so no need for 10+ or DV.

I don't know if HDR10+ and DV are needed and since I don't own one (and not even remotely thinking of getting one) I have nothing to say on that. But IMHO the best aspect of K is the digital distribution (i.e. if I want to watch a BD in my BR or FR I need to go down to the basement pick my BD and bring it back up to one of those rooms to watch while with K I can pick the film and watch it without leaving the room I am in). I can buy that most (maybe even everyone) has a projector and does a lot of watching on it. But I am guessing they are also watching on their TVs as well (does any have K just for the HT where they have a projector?).

bhampton · 09-24-2022, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony P

I don't know if HDR10+ and DV are needed and since I don't own one (and not even remotely thinking of getting one) I have nothing to say on that. But IMHO the best aspect of K is the digital distribution (i.e. if I want to watch a BD in my BR or FR I need to go down to the basement pick my BD and bring it back up to one of those rooms to watch while with K I can pick the film and watch it without leaving the room I am in). I can buy that most (maybe even everyone) has a projector and does a lot of watching on it. But I am guessing they are also watching on their TVs as well (does any have K just for the HT where they have a projector?).

Put the theater in the basement, problem solved.

I have 2 TVs but they are very rarely used. One has nothing hooked up but Video Game Consoles and the other has a steaming box.

No need for the BEST quality if you are then passing it to a television.

bhampton · 09-24-2022, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Kaleidescape says the majority (most) of owners use the system with their projectors so no need for 10+ or DV.

It's not common but my projector does HDR10+

lgans316 · 10-16-2022, 06:00 PM

The usual you don't own anything, live in fear inside your bat cave doom mongers are out here lol.

I believe this offering is for those with deep pockets who are fully aware of the terms and conditions and what they are signing up for.

Let them spend their own money to achieve the convenience they are after. Just because some folks prefer convenience over spending time to locate the disc and place it on the disc tray
doesn't necessarily mean they are lazy.

Most of the times, I rip and watch back to back. Yes the drive can fail but it is not the end of the world.

Wendell R. Breland · 10-16-2022, 07:28 PM

I could have a Kaleidescape if I wanted one but tend to stay away from proprietary technology even tho I owned a Sony FMP-X10. Only lost a few hundred on that one.

I do have a Zappiti NAS (112TB) and Neo player. If Zappiti should fold I could continue with my Zidoo or Neo media player because the files on the NAS is mostly ISO.

Have saw the Kaleidescape demoed several times and believe it is great system, have recommended it to a few others with a suggestion they read the TOS/EULA before any purchase. Ball then out of my court.

HDTV1080P · 10-16-2022, 08:59 PM

High bit rate 4K Blu-ray image streams require a constant Internet speed of 150Mbps since 4K Blu-ray has high bit rate video with lossless audio. The Kaleidescape download system is much better quality then any current streaming system on the market since no streaming system yet streams at 128Mbps to 150Mbps for each TV location in the house. 4 TV’s would be 600Mbps of Internet bandwidth required. Instead, the Kaleidescape system works with any slow Internet connection since it’s a download service for renting and purchasing movies (Of course having 1,000Mbps or higher Internet speed is needed to download a movie in around 10 minutes).

Kaleidescape system is a ideal system I just wish the hardware would be improved and that some competitors would enter the market.

bhampton · 10-17-2022, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by lgans316

Most of the times, I rip and watch back to back. Yes the drive can fail but it is not the end of the world.

I had problems with my ripped files and research says Hard Drives last about 5 years while optical discs can outlast me.

Here's info from people who did the research...

Generally speaking, you can rely on your hard drive for three to five years on average. A compelling study that proved this statistic comes from the online backup company Backblaze who analyzed the failure rates of 25,000 running hard drives. They found that 90% of hard drives survive for three years and 80% for four years. But this number varied across brands. Western Digital and Hitachi hard drives lasted much longer than Seagate’s in Backblaze’s study.

So .... I decided to make my disc player work by only giving it discs that I have looked at ahead of time and cleaned as needed. My results so far have been flawless and while I"m not ripping and encoding and so on ... I've been buying and watching more than ever.

No more servers here.... I mean ... I still have a thousand movies in iTunes and Vudu but if I'm home I really don't care what happens to those apart from that is how I manage to share my collection with my kids who have mostly moved away for collage by now. A tiny dorm room or a luxery one bedroom apartment in California as the best reasons for having nothing and being happy with it.

HDTV1080P · 10-17-2022, 07:44 PM

I have posted many times over the years that a high-end enterprise hard drive might only last up to 5 years if constantly being used as a DVR device. However, a high-end solid-state drive like a 100TB model since there is no moving parts might last over 10 years if constantly used. The problem is the 100TB solid state drives costs $40,000. When solid state drives stated getting cheaper and more reliable around 15 years ago, I briefly mentioned to some people that one day they would replace hard drives since solid state drives are more reliable and much more faster. That has come true for storage devices up to 2TB with solid state drives replacing the hard drives. However, when a consumer needs 4TB to 20TB+ of storage, hard drives are much more cheaper when compared to solid state drives.

But one day maybe solid-state drives might replace 100% of all hard drives once prices come down for the higher capacity models. I like this new 100TB solid state drive that would work in a Kaleidescape system. The catch is the price of the system would need to be raised around $40,000 to offer one drive. One could have a 200TB configuration with two 100TB solid state drives for $80,000 additional cost.

https://www.techradar.com/news/at-10...ring-price-tag

lgans316 · 10-17-2022, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by bhampton

I had problems with my ripped files and research says Hard Drives last about 5 years while optical discs can outlast me.

Here's info from people who did the research...

Generally speaking, you can rely on your hard drive for three to five years on average. A compelling study that proved this statistic comes from the online backup company Backblaze who analyzed the failure rates of 25,000 running hard drives. They found that 90% of hard drives survive for three years and 80% for four years. But this number varied across brands. Western Digital and Hitachi hard drives lasted much longer than Seagate’s in Backblaze’s study.

So .... I decided to make my disc player work by only giving it discs that I have looked at ahead of time and cleaned as needed. My results so far have been flawless and while I"m not ripping and encoding and so on ... I've been buying and watching more than ever.

No more servers here.... I mean ... I still have a thousand movies in iTunes and Vudu but if I'm home I really don't care what happens to those apart from that is how I manage to share my collection with my kids who have mostly moved away for collage by now. A tiny dorm room or a luxery one bedroom apartment in California as the best reasons for having nothing and being happy with it.

I have few spares HDDs dedicated for watching recent rips through the Zidoo Z9X.

The backups are on separate dedicated drives (same movie in 2 drives). Western Digital do good deals out here (£220 for 14 TB = 220 4K rips approx. = £1 per movie * 2 = £2 per movie in 2 drives). N

I don't use NAS. The backup drives are touched only for backup. If the drive fails then all I can do is grind my teeth and buy a new drive. Such is life. I can't live in constant fear when it comes to entertainment. Otherwise I won't be even stepping out of my home lol

bhampton · 10-17-2022, 09:25 PM

I like that you do it and you like it.... I just find it to be a total waste of time, energy, and money.

I didn't back up anything that I didn't have and the backups were less reliable than the real thing.

Mostly though the Z9X is buggy. If you listen to the 5.1 mix of DSotM you will hear PCM is mapped to the wrong channels and while it's typically not notice-able for things you aren't super familiar with, ... it may be doing everything somewhat wrong.

lgans316 · 10-17-2022, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by bhampton

I like that you do it and you like it.... I just find it to be a total waste of time, energy, and money.

I didn't back up anything that I didn't have and the backups were less reliable than the real thing.

Mostly though the Z9X is buggy. If you listen to the 5.1 mix of DSotM you will hear PCM is mapped to the wrong channels and while it's typically not notice-able for things you aren't super familiar with, ... it may be doing everything somewhat wrong.

It's been ages since listening to LPCM.

HD and object based audio formats work fine on the Zidoo. This is good enough for me. Zidoo constantly gets software updates and hopefully they fix this PCM issue.

Ripping is super easy for me. Convenience comes into play when I have a boat load of unwatched movies. I ran out of shelf space long time ago and it's becoming very challenging to manage my collection and locate the disc. This is when the rips and my digital collection on MA and iTunes comes handy. YMMV.

bhampton · 10-17-2022, 10:20 PM

I am happy for you.

I own the Zidoo and there's is not a snowflakes chance it hell I'll ever be interested in Kaliedescape.

Next time I have a problem with a disc, ... I'll likely be right there with you but I'm on a streak of good luck so I may as well get some use from my UB9000.

HDTV1080P · 10-25-2022, 12:13 AM

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"Storage options for approximately 1,500 (88TB) or 800 (48TB) 4K movies"

"Downloads a 4K HDR movie in as little as 10 minutes, at up to 800 Mbps"

https://www.kaleidescape.com/terra-movie-server/

mustang5o · 03-28-2023, 02:29 PM

Sorry for resurrecting an old thread but I thought it might better than starting a new one. I've been researching Kaleidescape some and I heard there are like 100's of movies available there in 4K that haven't been released on 4K disc. I also heard the list was kept somewhere. Does anyone know where to find that list of movies?

I would strongly consider the Zappiti NAS if it was still available in the US as at least then I could manage hardware failures. Still considering just building my own as well. Then I could just keep physical media tucked away in my storage closet.

11-30-2021, 11:41 AM	#1
HDTV1080P Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 205	Kaleidescape has more capacity and higher video bit rate when compared to 4K Blu-ray The Kaleidescape system use to only offer 100GB 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray disc image downloads for rent or purchase, with the exact same picture and lossless audio as the original 4K Blu-ray disc. However now the Kaleidescape system for some movie titles literally offers a better picture quality when compared to 4K Blu-ray discs since the Kaleidescape system is not limited to a movie being 100GB in size and can make the movie a higher video bit rate with movie sizes like 150GB or 200GB if needed. So now for the first time consumers have a download hard drive server that has more capacity and better picture quality when compared to 4K Blu-ray discs. However, for that claim to be true the Kaleidescape system needs to offer a firmware update to support all the HDR formats like Dolby Vision HDR and HDR10+ (currently only HDR10 is supported). The Kaleidescape system does support lossless 13.1 Dolby Atmos and 11.1 DTS X. Maybe in the future the Kaleidescape system might support lossless 13.1 Auro 3D with 7.1 PCM core audio. While the 72TB hard drive server can download a movie over a 1,000Mbps (1Gbps) Internet connection within 10 to 12 minutes using 800Mbps download speeds of the customers 1,000Mbps Internet bandwidth speed. In the ideal world since residential customers in both big cities and some rural areas are getting 10,000Mbps download/upload speeds, then a future version of the Kaleidescape system needs to include a 10,000Mbps Ethernet jack which should only add around $100 to the cost of the 72TB or larger hard drive server. At 8,000Mbps to 10,000Mbps download speed it should only take around 1 minute to download a 4K Blu-ray image instead of around 10 minutes (might have to use a very fast 128GB of DDR4 memory or a solid state drive as a buffer so that 10,000Mbps speeds can occur. The 100GB to 128GB download could be dumped into a 128GB DDR4 memory buffer then the system OS would auto copy the movie file to the 72TB hard drive server). The Kaleidescape system now offers renting of movies which is real cool. Also, if one of the four 18TB hard drives goes down the system can still be used and as soon as the defective hard drive is replaced. The Kaleidescape system automatically downloads ones movie collection from the cloud. The Kaleidescape system is a real awesome easy to use system that one day might replace physical optical discs like 4K Blu-ray, Blu-ray, and DVD. Kaleidescape is much better quality then VUDU and Netflix. The only real negative of the system is that it is out of the price range of the average consumer, so it can never become a mainstream product unless a complete system can be purchased for under $10,000. But if 4K Blu-ray discs did not exist one might consider spending $30,000 to $54,000+ for a system. The 72TB hard drive server costs $23,995 and each Statro C players that connect to a Smart TV or projector costs $2,995 each. If one has 10 TV’s in their home the entire setup would cost around $54,000. If one has 4 TV’s in their home the entire system would cost $36,000. Now if one wanted to go with an entry level 12TB movie server instead of the 72TB model, the 12TB server only costs $7,995. So a 3 TV setup in ones home would be around $17,000. But for the average consumer the system needs to fall under the $10,000 or $5,000 price range in order to become mainstream. The Roku Ultra boxes cost $99.99 each. Its too bad a Roku app cannot be used to communicate directly with the Kaleidescape 72TB Terra server. Some people would be willing to pay $8,000 to $24,000 for the home Kaleidescape servers if they could use a Roku ultra or other low cost $100-$500 streaming box that connects over ones existing 10GB or 1GB wired home network. I am really happy that the Kaleidescape system exists, and a few consumers with up to 10 TV’s in their home might be willing to pay $54,000 for the complete 72TB system with 10 Strato C players. But at the same time one can purchase a very nice home projector for around $54,000 and just buy a 4K Blu-ray player starting at around $150 to $200. Bottom line: Kaleidescape is better then 4K Blu-ray discs in capacity and overall video bit rate, however the system will always remain a niche high-end product for consumers that demand the best and want something better then what VUDU, Netflix and all other streaming providers can offer. The literal ability to have 100GB 4K image downloads for rent and purchase is real cool. Plus a wider 4K movie selection then what the 4K Blu-ray format has to offer. Instead of using optical discs one uses a hard drive server with a easy to use menu system on all the TV’s in ones house to access ones movie collection. The following are select quotes from the September/October 2021 Widescreen Review magazine (see page 13 for the full article) “Kaleidescape claims their movie store has the largest collection of 4K titles available and boasts over 12,000 titles for purchase and more than 8,000 for rent. They claim that users can rent or download movies in reference-quality 4K HDR with lossless Dolby Atmos and DTS-X audio, surpassing even 4K UHD discs in both convenience and quality by going beyond optical disc capacity and bit rate limits. In addition, Kaleidescape offers nearly 400 4K UHD titles not available on Blu-ray Disc. Kaleidescape’s proprietary OS operating system enables Terra 72TB to provide the content protection required by Hollywood motion picture studios for the highest-fidelity renditions of their movies.” “Terra 72TB stories over 1,000 high fidelity 4K Ultra HD movies, a 50 percent increase over the 48TB.” “Terra downloads full length 4K movies in as little as 10 minutes”. “It supports any number of Strato C players and serves up to 10 simultaneous 4K UHD playbacks.” “When the failed drive is replaced, its movies are automatically restored from the cloud.” “The Kaleidescape Terra 72TB is priced at $23,995 MSRP and is available now.” https://www.kaleidescape.com/pdfs/Kaleidescape-Terra-Movie-Server.pdf Last edited by HDTV1080P; 11-30-2021 at 12:17 PM.

12-29-2021, 09:27 PM	#2
HDTV1080P Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 205	Kaleidescape Compact Terra 12TB Movie Server Review (Sound and Vision magazine) quote "Well, here I am one year later, and I continue to love and highly recommend the Kaleidescape experience. The A/V quality with a Kaleidescape system is second to none, and I appreciate the recent addition of a rental option for movies I want to watch but perhaps not buy without a test run. As for Kaleidescape's new Compact Terra 12TB server, it provides another entry point to this fantastic ecosystem, and also offers an option for those looking to improve the performance and increase the capacity of an existing Kaleidescape setup. This system continues to earn a Top Pick from me, and I'm very much looking forward to what the company will create in the future." https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...-review-page-2

09-24-2022, 01:00 AM	#4
HDTV1080P Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 205	Review: Kaleidescape Compact Terra 22TB Movie Server QUOTE "The one knock against the playback is that Kaleidescape only supports HDR10, not the superior dynamic HDR formats like HDR10+ or Dolby Vision." https://www.residentialsystems.com/t...b-movie-server https://www.residentialsystems.com/t...-movie-servers

09-24-2022, 09:14 AM	#5
bhampton Blu-ray Count Member since:Aug 2007 4K collection:981 Blu-ray collection:2537 DVD collection:67 Blu-ray reviews: 6 Trading Score:18	Another Knock is it doesn't support 3D and it has no ability to use your streaming services and no Audio specific functionality so you most likely will want another component that can do those things. Another is the system is a "closed" system and K has gone out of business once already. The biggest negative for most people is the price. However, these systems appeal and are marketed to people with far more money than sense so that's not really a problem. The higher than reasonable price is pretty much the only reason people buy into them. Last edited by bhampton; 09-24-2022 at 11:40 AM.

10-16-2022, 06:00 PM	#10
lgans316 Blu-ray Baron Member since:Jul 2007 Location:RM16, United Kingdom Blu-ray reviews:17 Trading Score:498	The usual you don't own anything, live in fear inside your bat cave doom mongers are out here lol. I believe this offering is for those with deep pockets who are fully aware of the terms and conditions and what they are signing up for. Let them spend their own money to achieve the convenience they are after. Just because some folks prefer convenience over spending time to locate the disc and place it on the disc tray doesn't necessarily mean they are lazy. Most of the times, I rip and watch back to back. Yes the drive can fail but it is not the end of the world. Last edited by lgans316; 10-16-2022 at 06:30 PM.

12-29-2021, 11:44 PM	#3
teddyballgame Special Member Top contributor Member since:Sep 2019 Location:United States 4K collection:427 Blu-ray collection:431	Hard drives can store files in excess of 100gb...who knew! So which titles specifically are larger than UHDs? I've looked at the 4k download sizes and haven't seen anything compelling yet. Lawrence of Arabia is a 112gb download but it comes on two UHD66 and can be remuxed into a single file anyway.

10-16-2022, 07:28 PM	#11
Wendell R. Breland Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Sep 2006 Location:North Carolina 4K collection:140 Blu-ray collection:841	I could have a Kaleidescape if I wanted one but tend to stay away from proprietary technology even tho I owned a Sony FMP-X10. Only lost a few hundred on that one. I do have a Zappiti NAS (112TB) and Neo player. If Zappiti should fold I could continue with my Zidoo or Neo media player because the files on the NAS is mostly ISO. Have saw the Kaleidescape demoed several times and believe it is great system, have recommended it to a few others with a suggestion they read the TOS/EULA before any purchase. Ball then out of my court.

10-16-2022, 08:59 PM	#12
HDTV1080P Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 205	High bit rate 4K Blu-ray image streams require a constant Internet speed of 150Mbps since 4K Blu-ray has high bit rate video with lossless audio. The Kaleidescape download system is much better quality then any current streaming system on the market since no streaming system yet streams at 128Mbps to 150Mbps for each TV location in the house. 4 TV’s would be 600Mbps of Internet bandwidth required. Instead, the Kaleidescape system works with any slow Internet connection since it’s a download service for renting and purchasing movies (Of course having 1,000Mbps or higher Internet speed is needed to download a movie in around 10 minutes). Kaleidescape system is a ideal system I just wish the hardware would be improved and that some competitors would enter the market.

10-17-2022, 07:44 PM	#14
HDTV1080P Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 205	I have posted many times over the years that a high-end enterprise hard drive might only last up to 5 years if constantly being used as a DVR device. However, a high-end solid-state drive like a 100TB model since there is no moving parts might last over 10 years if constantly used. The problem is the 100TB solid state drives costs $40,000. When solid state drives stated getting cheaper and more reliable around 15 years ago, I briefly mentioned to some people that one day they would replace hard drives since solid state drives are more reliable and much more faster. That has come true for storage devices up to 2TB with solid state drives replacing the hard drives. However, when a consumer needs 4TB to 20TB+ of storage, hard drives are much more cheaper when compared to solid state drives. But one day maybe solid-state drives might replace 100% of all hard drives once prices come down for the higher capacity models. I like this new 100TB solid state drive that would work in a Kaleidescape system. The catch is the price of the system would need to be raised around $40,000 to offer one drive. One could have a 200TB configuration with two 100TB solid state drives for $80,000 additional cost. https://www.techradar.com/news/at-10...ring-price-tag

10-17-2022, 09:25 PM	#16
bhampton Blu-ray Count Member since:Aug 2007 4K collection:981 Blu-ray collection:2537 DVD collection:67 Blu-ray reviews: 6 Trading Score:18	I like that you do it and you like it.... I just find it to be a total waste of time, energy, and money. I didn't back up anything that I didn't have and the backups were less reliable than the real thing. Mostly though the Z9X is buggy. If you listen to the 5.1 mix of DSotM you will hear PCM is mapped to the wrong channels and while it's typically not notice-able for things you aren't super familiar with, ... it may be doing everything somewhat wrong.

10-17-2022, 10:20 PM	#18
bhampton Blu-ray Count Member since:Aug 2007 4K collection:981 Blu-ray collection:2537 DVD collection:67 Blu-ray reviews: 6 Trading Score:18	I am happy for you. I own the Zidoo and there's is not a snowflakes chance it hell I'll ever be interested in Kaliedescape. Next time I have a problem with a disc, ... I'll likely be right there with you but I'm on a streak of good luck so I may as well get some use from my UB9000.

10-25-2022, 12:13 AM	#19
HDTV1080P Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 205	New 88TB movie server quotes "Storage options for approximately 1,500 (88TB) or 800 (48TB) 4K movies" "Downloads a 4K HDR movie in as little as 10 minutes, at up to 800 Mbps" https://www.kaleidescape.com/terra-movie-server/

03-28-2023, 02:29 PM	#20
mustang5o Junior Member Member since:Feb 2022 4K collection:211 Blu-ray collection:452 DVD collection:24	Sorry for resurrecting an old thread but I thought it might better than starting a new one. I've been researching Kaleidescape some and I heard there are like 100's of movies available there in 4K that haven't been released on 4K disc. I also heard the list was kept somewhere. Does anyone know where to find that list of movies? I would strongly consider the Zappiti NAS if it was still available in the US as at least then I could manage hardware failures. Still considering just building my own as well. Then I could just keep physical media tucked away in my storage closet.

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