Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Last year, we didn’t have COVID. Disney are fine now, will they be fine in 6-8 years without the safety net of theatrical? I say, it’s a very different looking Disney.

Yes it will be. Theatrical will take a back seat to streaming

However, cinemas will be fine despite your hopes so it could be irrelevant.

YES! I hope ALL movie theaters close!

And no - cinemas will not be fine. There will probably be 50% less than there are today.

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Yes it will be. Theatrical will take a back seat to streaming



YES! I hope ALL movie theaters close!

And no - cinemas will not be fine. There will probably be 50% less than there are today.

Ha ha. Ha. Good one.

[Lee A Stewart]

Behold! The Future For Watching Movies!

[Lee A Stewart]

Disney+ with Star

Besides the Disney, Pixar, Marvel, Star Wars and National Geographic sections of Disney+ you will, starting February 23, 2021, have access to Star section. At least if you are outside the US where Hulu will continue to operate alongside Disney+.

- "The Star brand will serve as home to thousands of hours of television and movies from Disney’s creative studios, including Disney Television Studios, FX, 20th Century Studios, 20th Television, and more, enhanced by the addition of local programming from the regions where available," the company announced at its Investor Day.

The new Star section is intended for the mature audience and parents will be given tools to restrict access, including a PIN code tool. There will be over 1000 movies, series, and TV shows available from within the Star section. The company is also planning to offer local content under Star but we will have to wait for more details. "Star will offer approximately 50 local originals each year, by FY24", the company said.

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

250M subs X $8 each = $2 billion/mo. X 12 = $24 billion

Notice I took 250M not 260M and we can be assured that by 2024, Disney+ will be more than $8 a sub.

That's only Disney+. It does not include either Star or Hulu which will add another 100 million subs.

The numbers say you are wrong.

Disney's best year at the BO was last year (2019) at $13 billion GROSS.

Where will Disney find 250 million people? Let’s look back in 3 years at this.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by bhampton

Seems people have no idea what to do with money these days.

I bet a ton of D+ subscribers have large collections of Disney content already.

If it’s silly, a mob is waiting to sign up.

Not at all. Most of us look at watching a few new shows from streaming content less of a expense than going to the theater or looking for something not out yet on physical media.

I am someone that could care less its a few bucks. I look at D+ as another channel that can offer some content worth watching on occasion. People that count their pennies between media and streaming really need to look at enjoying life, instead of being unhappy over a few bucks.

I won't ever subscribe to HBO Max because the interface is atrocious, and nearly all content is HD only. Besides I already have a lot of DC/Warner content, and anything they show streaming will never look great.


My original attraction to D+ was from the historical Disney content perspective it partners nicely with Walt Disney Family Museum located in The Presidio of San Francisco one can experience locally. It pairs nicely when looking at origins of Disney animation and business choices.

The Man Behind The Mouse: Walt Disney Family Museum - YouTube

[Wendell R. Breland]

@gotmule

Have you looked into the Monoprice Monolith HTP-1 processor? Review here.

[JohnAV]

AV Receiver HDMI Bug Update: Good News For PS5 And Nvidia Gamers - Forbes

This week, though, Marantz and Denon owner Sound United has provided Stereonet with an update on the situation stating that according to its own extensive in-house testing, its new AVRs can in fact pass 4K at 120Hz from both the PS5 and, more surprisingly, Nvidia’s RTX 30 graphics cards.

When news of the new receivers’ HDMI issues first broke, it was thought likely then (before the consoles had arrived) that the PS5 wouldn’t be affected by the problem. But it’s still great to have this confirmed by Sound United (as well as numerous PS5 owners).

The Nvidia RTX 30 discovery, though, is more unexpected. According to the magazine c’t, which first reported the HDMI problem, Nvidia’s new cutting edge PC cards were expected to join the Xbox Series X in not passing 4K/120Hz properly through Denon and Marantz’s latest AVRs. Sound United is now not only able to state that this is not the case, however, but has released a (very useful) video explaining how to make sure your AVR and your Nvidia card are set up correctly to ensure there are no issues. A similar video for PS5 users can be found here.

During its tests, Sound United successfully got a Denon AVR-X2700H receiver to pass 4K/120Hz through from a PS5 and Nvidia RTX 3090 graphics card in all the formats you would expect. Namely RGB 8-bit, RGB 10-bit, YCbCr420 8-bit, YCbCr420 10-bit, and YCbCr420 12-bit.

If you know your graphics formats and are wondering why 4K/120Hz in 12-bit RGB isn’t on this compatibility list, it’s because the Denon and Marantz ‘8K compatible’ HDMI ports are designed to handle 40Gbps data rates rather than the 48Gbps data rates required to carry 12-bit RGB 4K/120Hz signals. This isn’t a problem, though, given that there are currently no 12-bit TVs out there. In fact, not even LG’s latest game-friendly X series of OLED TVs carry 48Gbps HDMIs, also choosing to stick instead at 40Gbps.

[gotmule]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

@gotmule

Have you looked into the Monoprice Monolith HTP-1 processor? Review here.

Hey Wendell. I knew it was coming out, but have not seen anything yet until I just read the review you attached, so thank you for making it easy on me. Intriguing piece as it has a lot of features for a $4k price tag. I like the customizable options for speaker layouts for sure. If I was looking for something in his price range, I would have to put it on the list. I do hesitate though with a brand new product from a company who usually doesn’t swim in those kinds of waters though.

I still have a thought somewhere down the road to go the Trinnov or Storm Audio route as they both have options for more than 16 channels.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by bhampton

Where will Disney find 250 million people? Let’s look back in 3 years at this.

You do realize that Disney+ is a worldwide streaming service don't you? Now in 25 countries. Soon to be 30. Netflix is in 190 countries.

[BijouMan]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I wish that chart was broken down further. I would like to know what percentages spend $2000+, $3000+, $5000+, etc. on their TVs. I know these percentages would be quite small, but I would still be curious to know.

How many people drop $60,000 to buy a TV like the Sony 98" Z9G? They make them this big and this pricey, so enough people must buy them to make offering them worthwhile.



https://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-98...?skuId=6331619

There is actually a member of this website with the 88" LG SIGNATURE Z9.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by BijouMan

There is actually a member of this website with the 88" LG SIGNATURE Z9.

Why are you posting a response to October 5 2020 post?

Please read the many posts in the 8K discussion thread.

[kfbkfb]

(same low data rate) Streaming Quiz:

Source A) 4K/UHDTV w/HDR (no Dolby Vision)

Source 1) 480p[no HDR] (upscaled to 1080p by TV) and (TV created HDR)

Which looks better: A or 1 (minimal video data reduction artifacts)?


Kirk Bayne

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

You do realize that Disney+ is a worldwide streaming service don't you? Now in 25 countries. Soon to be 30. Netflix is in 190 countries.

Neat.

Three years isn’t long, I’m hoping to see if they make or break this rosey forecast.

It’s a symbiotic thing, what’s good for the big D is good for everyone. This prediction was in a presentation to investors so maybe it’s inflated or if things turn for the better maybe it’s modest.

Good luck to all

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by kfbkfb

(same low data rate) Streaming Quiz:

Source A) 4K/UHDTV w/HDR (no Dolby Vision)

Source 1) 480p[no HDR] (upscaled to 1080p by TV) and (TV created HDR)

Which looks better: A or 1 (minimal video data reduction artifacts)?


Kirk Bayne

You are looking for steak at McDonalds. Que it up and hope for the best

That said, you want option A by the wisdom of papa John’s better ingredients better pizza

Why is the 1080p TV of option 1 creating hdr? From a SD source? That’s confusing.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Last night I suddenly came down with flu symptoms. I went to the hospital and received two Covid-19 tests, but it takes up to 2 days to get the results.

I still have the flu symptoms and I feel like crap, so I will be scarce until things improve.

One of the swab tests is VERY unpleasant; it feels like they are trying to skewer the brain via the nose and pull it out.

good luck hope the test came back negative

ps just read the test was negative, good news.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

The fanboyism on the Disney+ thread is nauseating. I wish folk would realise that the cinema is an absolutely crucial part of the industry. Disney are not going to be able to maintain all those big money tv shows and films without it. Not a chance.

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

250M subs X $8 each = $2 billion/mo. X 12 = $24 billion

Notice I took 250M not 260M and we can be assured that by 2024, Disney+ will be more than $8 a sub.

That's only Disney+. It does not include either Star or Hulu which will add another 100 million subs.

The numbers say you are wrong.

Disney's best year at the BO was last year (2019) at $13 billion GROSS.

lol Lee you sure showed him. Netflix does not even have anywhere near that many subscribers but because some decide to continue the pandemic growth for the next 4 years we have to all assume it is a done deal, the growth will continue with ever increasing prices, dismiss all the other revenue streams that it is replacing just because Steed said theatres (I.e. TV shows don't play in theatres....) and most importantly forget that they are additive (i.e. let's assume the numbers are accurate why wouldn't Disney want 24B+13B=37B Joe can go to the theatre to watch the film while still paying for Disney +)

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by gotmule

I still have a thought somewhere down the road to go the Trinnov or Storm Audio route as they both have options for more than 16 channels.

It is nice to see more options in the AVP market. I am not looking to replace my AVP anytime soon but that could change at anytime.

Right now I am looking at the JVC DLA-NX9 and the SonyVPL-VW915ES to see if I want to procure one or wait another year to see if JVC comes out with a laser model at these price points.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

lol Lee you sure showed him. Netflix does not even have anywhere near that many subscribers but because some decide to continue the pandemic growth for the next 4 years we have to all assume it is a done deal, the growth will continue with ever increasing prices, dismiss all the other revenue streams that it is replacing just because Steed said theatres (I.e. TV shows don't play in theatres....) and most importantly forget that they are additive (i.e. let's assume the numbers are accurate why wouldn't Disney want 24B+13B=37B Joe can go to the theatre to watch the film while still paying for Disney +)

Netflix currently has 200 million subscribers. That isn't that far from the low forecast for Disney+ (230M) 4 years from now.

Did you forget that movie theater ticket prices also go up on a yearly basis? LieMax tickets are $20.

As I stated: Theatrical will take a back seat to Streaming for Disney. We have already seen this in their Investor Day presentation.

You can't add the $13B to the $24B because that is the gross BO revenue. From that you have to deduct 50% for the theaters and distributor's (international) cut. The $24B - Disney gets 100% of that minus a small fee paid to the app platform.

Then you have to add Hulu and ESPN+ subscribers.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

[Show spoiler]Netflix currently has 200 million subscribers. That isn't that far from the low forecast for Disney+ (230M) 4 years from now.

Did you forget that movie theater ticket prices also go up on a yearly basis? LieMax tickets are $20.

As I stated: Theatrical will take a back seat to Streaming for Disney. We have already seen this in their Investor Day presentation.

You can't add the $13B to the $24B because that is the gross BO revenue. From that you have to deduct 50% for the theaters and distributor's (international) cut.

The $24B - Disney gets 100% of that minus a small fee paid to the app platform.

Then you have to add Hulu and ESPN+ subscribers.

And minus the considerable expense of operating and maintaining all of those servers and their sizable internet bandwidth costs.

I would like to know how much they net after expenses for both their box office take and their SVOD services.