Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by flyry

What a weird question considering we're getting 17 movies from them this year day and date.

Not weird at all. Can one assume you have Max?

If 14 of that 17 is bad then having 17 does not mean very much. I've paid up thru early June at a discount. Will determine then to continue or not. Also discontinued Disney+ and scaled back at Netflix.

[JohnAV]

Even If HBO Max saw triple in comparison to a typical day in the previous month with WW84 being available, once you move past this initial viewing of WW84 will a large number of people that were using some cheap way to access HBO Max remain subscribers? Thats the real question. Disney did really well with Soul comparing reviews between both films.

Originally Posted by flyry

What a weird question considering we're getting 17 movies from them this year day and date.

Not at all, the real question concerns whether wagging a box office title like WW84 will cause HBO Max to be attractive to subscribers in the long run. Right now a lot probably use a 14 day free HBO Max pass from BB or something like that. Then they likely cancel. Its all about a streaming host actually maintaining subscribers. You cannot tell anyone that HBO Max will be that successful right now, which is exactly why that the marketplace isn't simply accepting their 17 movie ploy.

The critics were not ecstatic about WW84 BTW.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Not weird at all. Can one assume you have Max?

If 14 of that 17 is bad then having 17 does not mean very much. I've paid up thru early June at a discount. Will determine then to continue or not. Also discontinued Disney+ and scaled back at Netflix.

The biggest question is going to be whether HBO Max starts to re-transcode any of their existing HBO/Warner/DC/TCM content to 4K separate from the 17 they plan to offer as 4K HDR? Its was looked as a joke compared to others services, let me know how that changes as you watch them the next 6 months.

[mdo7]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

If you really wanted the Outer Limits, should have got it on Blu-ray when its is on sale. Favorite episode is Demon with a Glass Hand.

Demon with a Glass Hand - YouTube

I'm aware of the blu-ray, but it's not on my wishlist (or do I have any desire to buy the BD). But I would love if the show can find it's way back to Prime Video, or Netflix.

Again, I like the shows, but it's not on my list or do I have a strong love for it that I want to buy it on BD.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Why not just buy the 4K version?

Uh, what do you mean? I already have the 4K blu-ray, wait is there a way to watch Jaws on 4K on Youtube?

I don't have a 4K UHDTV, will Jaws HD on Youtube go 4K if I have a 4K UHDTV?

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by mdo7

Uh, what do you mean? I already have the 4K blu-ray, wait is there a way to watch Jaws on 4K on Youtube?

He saw that afterwards.

Originally Posted by mdo7

I don't have a 4K UHDTV, will Jaws HD on Youtube go 4K if I have a 4K UHDTV?

Redeem the digital code on MoviesAnywhere in 4K since you have bought the 4K media, each service provider will allow payback in 4K if they support it on a UDTV if you link the accounts to MovieAnywhere.

Retailers

• iTunes
• Amazon Prime Video
• Vudu
• Google Play/YouTube
• Microsoft
• Xfinity (for Xfinity TV subscribers only)
• FandangoNOW
• Verizon Fios TV (for Verizon Fios TV subscribers only)
• DIRECTV (for DIRECTV subscribers only)

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by mdo7

I'm aware of the blu-ray, but it's not on my wishlist (or do I have any desire to buy the BD). But I would love if the show can find it's way back to Prime Video, or Netflix.

Again, I like the shows, but it's not on my list or do I have a strong love for it that I want to buy it on BD.



Uh, what do you mean? I already have the 4K blu-ray, wait is there a way to watch Jaws on 4K on Youtube?

I don't have a 4K UHDTV, will Jaws HD on Youtube go 4K if I have a 4K UHDTV?

No, I meant just buy the highest quality version UHD disc that comes with the Blu-ray and stop worrying about resolution problems? I noticed later you already have the 4K disc and I was confused over why you care so much about the digital version?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Not weird at all. Can one assume you have Max?

If 14 of that 17 is bad then having 17 does not mean very much. I've paid up thru early June at a discount. Will determine then to continue or not. Also discontinued Disney+ and scaled back at Netflix.

I think the only safe bets are Netflix and Disney+ (Who are about to add Fox content in Europe). All the rest? Amazon will stick around but wouldn’t be too sure about the rest.

[flyry]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Not weird at all. Can one assume you have Max?

If 14 of that 17 is bad then having 17 does not mean very much. I've paid up thru early June at a discount. Will determine then to continue or not. Also discontinued Disney+ and scaled back at Netflix.

Originally Posted by JohnAV

Not at all, the real question concerns whether wagging a box office title like WW84 will cause HBO Max to be attractive to subscribers in the long run. Right now a lot probably use a 14 day free HBO Max pass from BB or something like that. Then they likely cancel. Its all about a streaming host actually maintaining subscribers. You cannot tell anyone that HBO Max will be that successful right now, which is exactly why that the marketplace isn't simply accepting their 17 movie ploy.

The critics were not ecstatic about WW84 BTW.

What the critics said doesn't mean much. it quadrupled their subscriptions and once the general public learns that if they want to watch The Matrix and Dune and a ton of promising looking indies they will stay subscribed.

Theaters are opened here and no one is going. But they will watch them at home.

[mdo7]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

He saw that afterwards.

Redeem the digital code on MoviesAnywhere in 4K since you have bought the 4K media, each service provider will allow payback in 4K if they support it on a UDTV if you link the accounts to MovieAnywhere.

Retailers

• iTunes
• Amazon Prime Video
• Vudu
• Google Play/YouTube
• Microsoft
• Xfinity (for Xfinity TV subscribers only)
• FandangoNOW
• Verizon Fios TV (for Verizon Fios TV subscribers only)
• DIRECTV (for DIRECTV subscribers only)

I see, and as I've previously stated. I've already got a UHD version on Vudu, and I can confirmed a 1080p version on Apple Itunes. I've already synchronized as I stated on my previous posts:



See. So I would need a UHDTV to playback my Jaws on 4K from Vudu.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

No, I meant just buy the highest quality version UHD disc that comes with the Blu-ray and stop worrying about resolution problems? I noticed later you already have the 4K disc and I was confused over why you care so much about the digital version?

I see, I guess you didn't read my post when I announced that I got my first 4K UHD BD purchase. The reason I cared and talked about the digital version because I want to give my observation to people who are planning to buy or input their digital code for their digital copy of their movies they bought with their BD (regular or 4K UHD).

Also I like to analyze and give my observation on this thread to compare the resolution and picture/video quality between the digital version and the 4K UHD BD/regular BD version. I mean isn't this the purpose of this thread. To not only discuss, but to give observation and trade analysis of the quality of the digital version of the movie, and do comparison between digital and the blu-ray version? That's what I was doing, giving my observation, giving my analysis, and including evidences (like my screenshots/pictures) to verify my analysis and observation.

As I said, I don't have anything digital copies, but they tend to lack stuff that your BD version has.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by flyry

What the critics said doesn't mean much. it quadrupled their subscriptions

It was watched by 1/2 of HBO Max subscribers on Christmas, unless WW84 has staying power for maintaining subscribers you can't predict the services success.

WW84 fell 67 percent in its second weekend of play domestically, a hefty drop for the holiday weekend even with the pandemic

source

[flyry]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

It was watched by 1/2 of HBO Max subscribers on Christmas, unless WW84 has staying power for maintaining subscribers you can't predict the services success.



source

Wtf do box office #s in a pandemic have to do with streaming?

Here ya go:

https://www.businessinsider.in/enter...w/80104981.cms

[gotmule]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Good to hear. Nice to see folks with some light in these darker times. cheez avenger has an eye out for some more/different subs, Vilya has a new AVR and plans to add height + sub speakers, gotmule should be getting a new UHD BD player to test...

The Panasonic was ordered on Monday and showed up Wednesday, so have had a few days to put it through its paces. There are more adjustments available than the Oppo so am getting it dialed in for both 4K and Blu-rays before I do the final A/B comparison, but I am very impressed so far. The last 2 subs in the back of the room are done breaking in, so I spent an hour yesterday tweaking their placement.

I think I should be all set for Tenet.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by flyry

Wtf do box office #s in a pandemic have to do with streaming?

Here ya go:

https://www.businessinsider.in/enter...w/80104981.cms

I felt it was related to point out that theaters numbers show interest for watching WW84 dipped quickly. Just because its on a subscription service doesn't mean people played it numerous times. Lots of things I watch are just once.

Regarding businessinsider article

For its debut weekend, "Wonder Woman 1984" generated 4.3 times the amount of signups as the average for the previous three weekends in December, according to Antenna

what the data represents.

Daily sign-ups for Disney+ and HBO Max. ANTENNA

Note: ANTENNA’s data includes only net new HBO Max sign-ups and not activations

Thats not quadrupled their subscriptions is it? Its Daily signups, now the question is how many of those people that signed up are using 2 week free or something similar? How many will be using HBO Max a few months from now?

[flyry]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

I felt it was related to point out that theaters numbers show interest for watching WW84 dipped quickly. Just because its on a subscription service doesn't mean people played it numerous times. Lots of things I watch are just once.

Regarding businessinsider article


what the data represents.


Thats not quadrupled their subscriptions is it? Its Daily signups, now the question is how many of those people that signed up are using 2 week free or something similar? How many will be using HBO Max a few months from now?

Dumb comparison either way. And to answer your question. None. They stopped the the 7 day trial 3 weeks before WW84.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by flyry

Dumb comparison either way. And to answer your question. None. They stopped the the 7 day trial 3 weeks before WW84.

The 2 week free trial from Best Buy was available at the time WW84 dropped on HBO Max.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by gotmule

The Panasonic was ordered on Monday and showed up Wednesday, so have had a few days to put it through its paces. There are more adjustments available than the Oppo so am getting it dialed in for both 4K and Blu-rays before I do the final A/B comparison, but I am very impressed so far. The last 2 subs in the back of the room are done breaking in, so I spent an hour yesterday tweaking their placement.

I think I should be all set for Tenet.

I have considered buying a Panny 9000, too. Please let us know what you think of its performance with all disc formats. I have read on the forums here a long while back that the Panny 4K disc players do not play DVDs as well as other brands of 4K disc players and I would very much like to know what you think of how well the Panny 9000 handles DVDs.

[kfbkfb]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pandemi...aining-stores/
^^^
While streaming services and other online rivals have long dented its business...


Kirk Bayne

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by flyry

What the critics said doesn't mean much. it quadrupled their subscriptions and once the general public learns that if they want to watch The Matrix and Dune and a ton of promising looking indies they will stay subscribed.

Theaters are opened here and no one is going. But they will watch them at home.

You do realise big budget blockbusters can’t survive without the cinema long term, right? This is a short term situation.

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by flyry

What a weird question considering we're getting 17 movies from them this year day and date.

One of my black Friday disc purchases from Best Buy came with a 2 week HBO code which I used to watch WW84 and half of an episode of a series about a ditzy flight stewardess.

HBO thinks they have more I want but I unsubscribed from their email list this AM.

I used to use a friends HBO account and noticed they tend to have a lot of things I tend to buy ... so, like the Disney+ its one of the services I would maybe use if I didn't tend to collect movies.

I am thankful Game of Thrones and Stranger Things are available as UHD purchases and I can't bring myself to use my friends Netflix account to watch Cobra Kai so I will see if that's available on disc as well. (I think it is.)

[bhampton]

Seems steaming is bad for the environment. (also the quality stinks)

The problem: transferring videos online is data-intensive. In 2018, online video traffic was responsible for more than 300 million tons of CO2, equivalent to what a country the size of Spain releases in a year — for all sectors combined. The higher a video's resolution, the more data that's required. Ten hours of high-definition film consumes more bits and bytes than all the English-language articles in Wikipedia put together, according to The Shift Project.

https://www.dw.com/en/is-netflix-bad...nge/a-49556716

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/2...n-as-you-think

https://www.ecowatch.com/netflix-bad...639174138.html


It is generally the poor quality that keeps me from Steaming most of the time but I can be happy I am doing good for the world in general by continuing to collect movies on disc.