8K discussion thread

[nick4Knight]

Okay but the industry had a pathway to full adoption of 4K sources wider than JUST display while the industry limped into 4K UHD in 2016. The dodgy ramp up to it didn't make a failure point because the content was going full steam ahead. Despite earlier criticism over some grades and HDR.

In the first 2 years there was only a handful of supbar discs. And the displays were fine if you paid enough money. That's the unfortunate reality is the buy in on good 4K is put your money into it. Find the "price to performance" nexus at any screen size.

This is also the case for HDTV arguably... My parents got a LCD Sony in 2009 and it was just okay. I enjoyed lossless surround audio more back then! Then they got a 3D Panasonic 50 inch and it was just way better PQ for Blu-ray discs.

And I look back knowing if they paid even 500 or 1000 more there was even greater reference visual experiences to be had.

[Lee A Stewart]

TCL North America is not planning to launch any 8K TVs in 2023

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.ph...&id=1672937087

[Lee A Stewart]

LG unveils 2023 "QNED" LCD TVs – 8K only in select markets

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.ph...&id=1672936065

[Lee A Stewart]

How Samsung sidestepped EU's new energy regulation on 8K TVs

How has Samsung solved the problem? By sidestepping it. The 2023 8K TVs do not use new display technology. Samsung has instead created a new 'Eco' picture mode, which the TVs will ship in, with drastically reduced brightness and picture quality, according to a report by Forbes.

- "Essentially Samsung has had to ship its new 8K TVs with their brightness set to substantially lower levels in their new default, out of the box picture preset than their screens are capable of delivering. Not only that, but the brightness settings for these out of the box low power presets are locked in, so that end users can’t adjust them," reported John Archer, Forbes. "Some of Samsung’s 2023 8K models will apparently also need to set their local dimming systems to Low rather than Standard in the default picture preset to stay within the EU’s power requirements."

Samsung's flagship QN900C reportedly had brightnes

s set to just 8 out of 50 while another model had brightness set to 15 out of 50.

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.ph...&id=1677834145

[Lee A Stewart]

TCL's latest 8K OLED TV prototype folds into a table

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.ph...&id=1685530251

[LordoftheRings]

16K TV

Forget 8K - Here's The World's First 110-inch 16K TV! - YouTube

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

16K TV

Forget 8K - Here's The World's First 110-inch 16K TV! - YouTube

High resolution, low-end specs

The 110-inch 16K LCD panel was showcased at SID Display Week 2023 in Los Angeles and while FlatpanelsHD did not attend this year, our German colleagues from Heise.de did and reported that picture "looks like it was printed".

It is still a prototype LCD TV panel – not an actual TV yet. The bad news is that its other capabilities are not exactly high-end. It features a 60Hz IPS (ADS) LCD panel with maximum 400 nits brightness and only 1200:1 contrast ratio.

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.ph...&id=1685426637

[LordoftheRings]

Yeah, it's just the first one. Ten years from now it should be ready for prime.
By then 8K TVs will be everywhere. You cannot stop what's coming up.

* In the year 2033 we might have one or two 4K/3D TV combo.
That would be in line between Avatar 7 and 8.
And, 100" TVs in 2033 should be the norm. Cameron would be proud; 8K/3Ð IMAX in our living rooms.

[puddy77]

Seems this company beat IMAX to the punch with a sensor bigger than IMAX 65mm film. Of course, it won't be used for features. But maybe someday...

https://petapixel.com/2023/06/12/sph...ne-18k-sensor/

[PaulGo]

8K TVs: Not Dead Yet, But Pretty Close

BERLIN—Contrary to some industry expectations, the European Union’s energy-efficiency mandates have yet to unplug the 8K television format in the EU. But that ultra-ultra-high-definition variant continues to face other obstacles, most of which don’t stop at this side of the Atlantic.

The IFA tech trade show’s exhibits provided ample evidence of 8K’s relevancy struggles. The companies trying to make 8K a thing could talk up the size of their screens but didn’t promise anything new to watch in that resolution, while other electronics vendors with TVs on their menu either stuck to their 4K fare or switched their emphasis to efficiency and sustainability, two adjectives that 8K can’t claim today.

https://www.pcmag.com/news/8k-tvs-no...t-pretty-close

[DTSBOY]

Originally Posted by puddy77

Seems this company beat IMAX to the punch with a sensor bigger than IMAX 65mm film. Of course, it won't be used for features. But maybe someday...

https://petapixel.com/2023/06/12/sph...ne-18k-sensor/

"The media recorder itself is currently capable of recording 30 gigabytes of data per second (sustained) with each media magazine containing 32 terabytes and holds approximately 17 minutes of footage.”



The prices for those media magazines must be crazy? Very cool tech.

[HDTV1080P]

No real reason to buy 8K displays until native 8K content becomes available on 8K optical disc, 8K streaming, 8K download, 8K cable TV, 8K satellite TV, and 8K videogames. Maybe sometime in the year 2026+ we will have native 8K content available from sources other than YOUTUBE.

[Trekkie313]

With dreams and feasibility of consumer level 8K panels ever being a thing are dying, time for 4K3D for VR headsets and new TVs!

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by Trekkie313

With dreams and feasibility of consumer level 8K panels ever being a thing are dying, time for 4K3D for VR headsets and new TVs!

There is a $20,000 membership fee per person to have a Principal with Board Seat with the 8K Association. However, if there was enough 3D fans in such high positions, with voting power it would have been possible to mandate 3D on all future 8K flat panels and 8K projectors being made. Companies applying the 8K logo to their display would have the freedom to choose to use active 3D glasses, passive 3D glasses, or any other 3D technology like glasses free 3D. No such 3D mandate exists for consumer electronic manufactories.

It is too bad the 8K Association does not mandate all 8K displays being manufactured must have the 3D feature built in, starting by the year 2026+. Along with ATSC 4.0 or 3.0 being mandated also if the display has any tuner built in, monitors and projectors would not be required to have built in ATSC tuner. Also requiring all 8K displays to have all 8K HDMI inputs.

https://8kassociation.com/about-us/membership/

Too bad there is not people like James Cameron on the board who is a big supporter of 3D technology.

[HDTV1080P]

QUOTE

"Samsung today expanded its ultra-big-screen offerings with its first 98-inch 8K TV — a move timed to woo custom installers/integrators attending CEDIA Expo 2023, which opens tomorrow morning."

https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...-98-inch-8k-tv

[Lee A Stewart]

From bad to worse for 8K TVs in 2023

8K TVs have struggled to attract consumers for several reasons, and in 2023 the situation has gone from bad to worse as multiple TV makers have abandoned the 8K market. Will it change?

8K's woes are no secret.

Last year, market research firm Omdia once again slashed its forecast for 8K TVs from 9 million installed units by 2025 to just 2.7 million by late 2026 worldwide. Another drastic downgrade. In 2021, 8K TVs accounted for just 0.15% of all TV shipments.

At the time, Omdia stated that consumers lacked convincing reasons to buy 8K TVs due to limited content availability and ineffective marketing.

Nothing much has changed since then, except that the 8K market in 2023 is in even worse shape, with very dim prospects.

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/focus.p...&id=1696414134

[deatheats]

Makes one wonder what they are doing with all of these unsold 8k TVs…

Too bad TV companies & the associations hopped on to 4k/8k while simultaneously abandoning 3d tech. Instead of continuing to support a unique feature that completely changes the viewing experience (and potentially improving it), they decided to improve the one factor that was already top notch (resolution). To even see the impact of the 32 million pixels you have to be 2 feet from your 8k 77” screen. What a waste of time, money & talent. If you want to improve displays from this point on, resolution ain’t gonna be it.

[Steel76]

It's time they slow the **** down, and focus on improving 4K displays.

Most regular TV watchers, don't even care about resolution. They just want to buy a new TV to continue watching their regular content.

The amount of AV enthusiast, outside of these forums, are way smaller than people realize.

[PeterTHX]

It's the pricing premium on the sets.

Nobody wants to pay double/triple for something that has little to no native content.

[nick4Knight]

It never will have lots of native content. Thats where the failed marketing piece of that consumer sentiment comes in.

But everyone knows how I feel... I think they shouldn't do 8K but put all their focus in making all 4K HDR sets of really high quality. Keep upping "the floor" of specs at the same prices would be how they get my money.

And millions of peoples $$$