The Official Energy Speakers Thread

[patwrightjr]

its funny how all speaker manufactures are differnent...Paradigm recommends leaving their grills on.

[callas01]

Originally Posted by patwrightjr

congradulations man!! what did you have???

a boy.... we have 2 girls already, so this is the first boy, and the last child we will have.



Thanks Justin, Pat, Oliver.

[Yeha-Noha]

Originally Posted by patwrightjr

here you go, now do you think this is good for sound??? this is a great design for rigidaty but a poor choice for sound, my BIC's have complete opening for sound (this diamond shaped plastic is a good 1.5" deep!!!)...and i think since ive always had "warm" recievers that im sure helped with the good sound i get from the BIC's

Ahem, those diamond plastic grilles sure wouldn't be good for the sound. Yes, I can certainly see why you would want to remove those.

As for my Energy speaker grilles, it doesn't matter one way or the other. Personally I think my speakers look better with the grilles on. My wife certainly would insist that they be on especially when we have guests over.

Yes, HK AVRs are known for their warm sound. They make fine AVRs and are a good match for your brighter sounding speakers.

[Yeha-Noha]

Originally Posted by callas01

a boy.... we have 2 girls already, so this is the first boy, and the last child we will have.



Thanks Justin, Pat, Oliver.

Congrats Callas on your new baby boy. Enjoy your family. Live long and prosper.

[Miker107]

Originally Posted by callas01

a boy.... we have 2 girls already, so this is the first boy, and the last child we will have.



Thanks Justin, Pat, Oliver.

Congrats Steve, enjoy him, they sure grow up fast. My step daughters little one year old eats like a horse.

[Miker107]

Originally Posted by BigAl87

The plastic diamonds as shown in the picture is a poorly designed grill, IMHO if nothing comes in the way other than the grill fabric it seriously does not cause much interference but this really does not help the high frequencies of the really warm RC-10.

BTW Chief Designer and Owner of Totem Acoustic Vince Bruzzese does not believe il grills which is why grills are optional on his speakers except for the Tribes Wall Speakers.

When I un-boxed the grills of my RC-10 I was . All speakers I've previously owned were constructed with a simple frame with fabric rapt around it. It does indeed restrict the higher frequencies from reaching their full potential. I'm surprised they used this design.

[callas01]

Originally Posted by rwojtalewicz

Congrats Callas on your new baby boy. Enjoy your family. Live long and prosper.

Originally Posted by Miker107

Congrats Steve, enjoy him, they sure grow up fast. My step daughters little one year old eats like a horse.

thanks guys.... btw, seanmf posted a pic of the guy in my HT thread.

yeah, he latched on right away and wants to eat constantly.... well unless hes sleeping.... but thats the life for a couple months, eat, poop, sleep.

[callas01]

Originally Posted by Miker107

When I un-boxed the grills of my RC-10 I was . All speakers I've previously owned were constructed with a simple frame with fabric rapt around it. It does indeed restrict the higher frequencies from reaching their full potential. I'm surprised they used this design.

well the grill is the same as is used on all klipsch speakers. Also these were the first speaker that was distributed under klipsch group ownership, so who knows, perhaps klipsch said here use these grills, we mass produce them and therefore it could save some money

the C-series is cut out in a way to not have the grill frame covering any part of the drivers, I notice the new connoiseurS (CFs) use the same grills, and I took them off when I auditioned them and they sound was a little more improved.

[Miker107]

Originally Posted by callas01

thanks guys.... btw, seanmf posted a pic of the guy in my HT thread.

yeah, he latched on right away and wants to eat constantly.... well unless hes sleeping.... but thats the life for a couple months, eat, poop, sleep.

Boy, he sure is a big guy isn't he? Wait till he gets to a year old and up, he'll eat you out of your house. The little girls are not so bad, but my little guy can eat. Whenever they come over, the minute he comes through the door he runs to his high chair and starts asking for something to eat.

[Miker107]

Originally Posted by callas01

well the grill is the same as is used on all klipsch speakers. Also these were the first speaker that was distributed under klipsch group ownership, so who knows, perhaps klipsch said here use these grills, we mass produce them and therefore it could save some money

the C-series is cut out in a way to not have the grill frame covering any part of the drivers, I notice the new connoiseurS (CFs) use the same grills, and I took them off when I auditioned them and they sound was a little more improved.

Are the grills for the entire RC line made like this, including the RC-LCR? Not that it matters much, I'm just curious.

[callas01]

Originally Posted by Miker107

Boy, he sure is a big guy isn't he? Wait till he gets to a year old and up, he'll eat you out of your house. The little girls are not so bad, but my little guy can eat. Whenever they come over, the minute he comes through the door he runs to his high chair and starts asking for something to eat.

yea.... Im sure he is gonna be an eater....plus I need a big tall boy that can play football and go pro so I can retire....

[callas01]

Originally Posted by Miker107

Are the grills for the entire RC line made like this, including the RC-LCR? Not that it matters much, I'm just curious.

I have no idea.... sorry I cannot help with that.

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by Miker107

Are the grills for the entire RC line made like this, including the RC-LCR? Not that it matters much, I'm just curious.

Yes they are all the same with the magnet discs right where the magnet is on the cabinet with those Crazy Diamonds . I must be sounding British


look as Steve said the old C series is way better design as only the fabric comes in the way and it's nicely stretched and does not affect sound so much.

Another thing you can experience is try different connection options and see if that changes the sound.

It's apparently suppose to slightly change the tone according to Energy. Look at the Owner's manual for the options.

I f you don't Bi-Amp or Bi-Wire try connecting the wire to the top connectors or - to top and +to bottom and vice versa.

[Miker107]

Originally Posted by BigAl87

Yes they are all the same with the magnet discs right where the magnet is on the cabinet with those Crazy Diamonds . I must be sounding British


look as Steve said the old C series is way better design as only the fabric comes in the way and it's nicely stretched and does not affect sound so much.

Another thing you can experience is try different connection options and see if that changes the sound.

It's apparently suppose to slightly change the tone according to Energy. Look at the Owner's manual for the options.

I f you don't Bi-Amp or Bi-Wire try connecting the wire to the top connectors or - to top and +to bottom and vice versa.

Hey there Oli, haven't talked to you in a while. The manual recommends the wire to be connected to the bottom posts if you're not using the bi-wire method. I think I will try the bi-wire method. The manual says that it helps reduce noise. I just need to remember to remove the shorting straps from the binding posts before I do that. I'm curious to see if it improves the sound any. Thanks for the info.

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by Miker107

Hey there Oli, haven't talked to you in a while. The manual recommends the wire to be connected to the bottom posts if you're not using the bi-wire method. I think I will try the bi-wire method. The manual says that it helps reduce noise. I just need to remember to remove the shorting straps from the binding posts before I do that. I'm curious to see if it improves the sound any. Thanks for the info.

Odd that would mean the X-over uses a completely different design

Oh well just reviewed you Owner's manual and yeah they are not like the C-series.

Man this is really weird as the online manual of my C-series is different than mine????

I know for a great fact of certainty that I have more methods of connecting my speakers then stated in the online owners manual.

I'll check this out when I get home but Really the online manual recomends the same thing as what you state.

[callas01]

Originally Posted by Miker107

Hey there Oli, haven't talked to you in a while. The manual recommends the wire to be connected to the bottom posts if you're not using the bi-wire method. I think I will try the bi-wire method. The manual says that it helps reduce noise. I just need to remember to remove the shorting straps from the binding posts before I do that. I'm curious to see if it improves the sound any. Thanks for the info.

Mike. bi-wiring has no affect on speakers performance. And actually passive bi-amping really has no affect either, active bi-amping, meaning two different amp power the same speaker will have a positive effect, in active you have two seperate amps powering a single source or speaker.... passive bi-amp, meaning using your receivers 2 front and 2 rear surround connected to the speakers binding posts, has less affect on your speakers, and more with reducing the strain on receivers internal amps.

[callas01]

Originally Posted by BigAl87

Odd that would mean the X-over uses a completely different design

Oh well just reviewed you Owner's manual and yeah they are not like the C-series.

Man this is really weird as the online manual of my C-series is different than mine????

I know for a great fact of certainty that I have more methods of connecting my speakers then stated in the online owners manual.

I'll check this out when I get home but Really the online manual recomends the same thing as what you state.

my manual says to connect to the bottom 2 with either straight wire, banana plugs, spade lugs, or pin connectors. im at home looking at my manual...

[Miker107]

Originally Posted by callas01

Mike. bi-wiring has no affect on speakers performance. And actually passive bi-amping really has no affect either, active bi-amping, meaning two different amp power the same speaker will have a positive effect, in active you have two seperate amps powering a single source or speaker.... passive bi-amp, meaning using your receivers 2 front and 2 rear surround connected to the speakers binding posts, has less affect on your speakers, and more with reducing the strain on receivers internal amps.

Well, that's good to know, I really didn't want to mess with it anyway. lol

Just picked up Pirates of the Caribbean the curse of the black pearl. Now I'm going make me some lunch and watch it. Never seen it, but the reviews seemed to be good so I picked it up.

[callas01]

Originally Posted by Miker107

Well, that's good to know, I really didn't want to mess with it anyway. lol

Just picked up Pirates of the Caribbean the curse of the black pearl. Now I'm going make me some lunch and watch it. Never seen it, but the reviews seemed to be good so I picked it up.

I like watching all the PoTC movies.

[Yeha-Noha]

Originally Posted by callas01

Mike. bi-wiring has no affect on speakers performance. And actually passive bi-amping really has no affect either, active bi-amping, meaning two different amp power the same speaker will have a positive effect, in active you have two seperate amps powering a single source or speaker.... passive bi-amp, meaning using your receivers 2 front and 2 rear surround connected to the speakers binding posts, has less affect on your speakers, and more with reducing the strain on receivers internal amps.

Actually the active bi-amping you just described is still passive bi-amping. Whether you use your AVRs internal amps or separate external power amps, you are still doing passive bi-amping because you are using the speaker's internal passive crossovers. And you are correct, the effect is minimal especially with the AVR with perhaps a modicum of performance increase using passive bi-amping with external power amps.

In genuine active bi-amping, you don't use the native passive crossovers in the speakers. You must remove them yourself and hot wire each speaker directly to a separate terminals for banana plugs, spades, bare wire, or whatever hookup method that suits your fancy. Then connect separate power amps to each speaker terminal. Then, between the pre-amp or pre-pro and the external power amp, you must connect an active electronic crossover. You can buy those at pro-audio shops or outlets. That's really the whole point of active bi-amping, using a separate electronic, aka active, crossover.

Thus as you can imagine most folks are not likely to bother with such a major overhaul job and buying not only separate power amps, but an active crossover too for each channel. That can become expensive and then you must ask yourself, is it worth it? Then there's another caveat. Speaker's with internal passive crossover may have special circuitry designs for time delays, phase compensation, and the like. Once you remove those from your nice RC series speakers, you have changed them perhaps for the worse. That is, you may end up getting unpredictable results and rather poor performance instead of a performance gain going the active bi-amping route.
OTOH, if one is lucky or very skilled, s/he may obtain outstanding performance by doing active bi-amping.

Active bi-amping is common in pro-audio applications but seems to be lagging and even impractical for home audio after weighing the cost/benefit ratio. Exotic, ultra high end home audio speakers may perhaps be geared toward pro-audio in that it is designed for active bi-amping.