Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I keep records of every single film I have seen in Excel along with ratings. Done this since 2000. (When I started collecting Blu-ray)
I also backtracked and listed all my DVDs.

I even have 3D strength ratings!

Did something similar for rented titles and titles no longer owned (LaserDisc). Exporter 42 fields out of FileExpress and imported into Quattro Pro so I could use the data on modern computers. Have Paradox and Access databases but never bothered to learn in detail and import old data. A one page sample of a PDF as appears on my tablet:

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[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

You tried to explain it before, and I still don't get it. I don't see that magical advantage you somehow think "fixed screen" will get you. The disadvantage of an HT is that I have a room with three rows of seats all staring at a blank screen with my seat being at the sweetest spot. That room and that layout was sacrificed for the best movie experience. The nice thing about glasses IMHO is that the room should not matter. I am taken away into the film verse so, like my living room the seating can be couches facing each other and art on the wall without a blank screen where each person sits in the sweet spot. The minute I need an HT with the same set up and inconveniences what do glasses bring to the party. Except (if I think of myself growing up) you lose or brake them and then you are without glasses for a week.

The scenario I described is just an example. You could have the screen anywhere you like. So could every other viewer. Being in a fixed position is just an example of how you could watch the screen with family presuming a distance of 6-9 feet.
You could have the screen floating in your room if you so choose.
You could bring it closer to you. Each viewer could have their own setting without affecting the others.


The important factor is that the large display is only one benefit. It’s not a like for like thing. The glasses could allow the user to host virtual meetings or virtual gatherings with holograms of those people in the same room. (This is not sci-fi, it will be possible within the 10 year span that experts say true AR will be shrunk into a glasses format.
You could play virtual table top games, AR games in your home or outside, get directions in your view, pull up a virtual desktop and do some work on multiple screens if you choose, have a concert play in your home, try furniture in your home before buying, virtually pick your food shopping from a virtual shopping mall, demonstrate how to do something by syncing with another person
Or get DIY instructions in your vision, have virtual decorations in everyone’s vision for birthdays, celebrations etc.. appear as someone else via filters (for a laugh), the list is endless.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Did something similar for rented titles and titles no longer owned (LaserDisc). Exporter 42 fields out of FileExpress and imported into Quattro Pro so I could use the data on modern computers. Have Paradox and Access databases but never bothered to learn in detail and import old data. A one page sample of a PDF as appears on my tablet:

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Good stuff. Used to do plenty of stuff via Access back in the day.

[Lee A Stewart]

How do you feed content to the VR glasses? What about multi-channel sound?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

How do you feed content to the VR glasses? What about multi-channel sound?

AR glasses. VR is very different.

You would have 5G and WIFI/5G at home. The software would eventually be self contained (smartphone would power early examples before it can become full fledged, standalone glasses.)

You would have spatial stereo built into glasses arms, the option to connect to a home speaker/sound-bar.

[alchav21]

You guys are real quiet now, I guess no news is good news. Here is an Article that is interesting and some hope for Physical!

With the continued erosion of disc sales in 2020 — combined consumer spending on Blu-ray Discs and DVDs was down about 26% from 2019, to a new low of $2.5 billion, according to Media Play News Research estimates — digital retailers will likely continue to stress the collectibility of digital movie sales, as they did with catalog product during 2020.

“It may not be widely known or understood, but in many ways digital movie collections offer a level of security, portability and confidence that discs cannot,” Johnson-Marletti says. “Your entire library can be accessed from almost any device, it travels with you seamlessly, and you never have to worry about damaged or lost discs. To the purest of collectors, the absence of tangible boxes may not fully satisfy, but, again, there are many benefits that outweigh the cardboard. Lowering the cost of entry and creating compelling promotions and offers that inspire first-time adoption could be a way to spur greater digital movie sales.”

https://www.mediaplaynews.com/2021-what-now/

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You guys are real quiet now, I guess no news is good news. Here is an Article that is interesting and some hope for Physical!



https://www.mediaplaynews.com/2021-what-now/

Just nearly pissed myself laughing at that article!

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Just nearly pissed myself laughing at that article!

No worry for disc enthusiast, the word “quality” was never used in that article. As already been posted several times ownership (disc + EST) is in decline and will not change till a lot more quality content gets released. Here is hopping No Time to Die and Top Gun: Maverick are good movies, if they are then I would wager a big jump in disc sales when they are released.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

No worry for disc enthusiast, the word “quality” was never used in that article. As already been posted several times ownership (disc + EST) is in decline and will not change till a lot more quality content gets released. Here is hopping No Time to Die and Top Gun: Maverick are good movies, if they are then I would wager a big jump in disc sales when they are released.

I think both are shoe-ins regardless of the film’s quality. Although good word of mouth would of course help.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

No worry for disc enthusiast, the word “quality” was never used in that article. As already been posted several times ownership (disc + EST) is in decline and will not change till a lot more quality content gets released. Here is hopping No Time to Die and Top Gun: Maverick are good movies, if they are then I would wager a big jump in disc sales when they are released.

You are half right. It was disc (-25.55%) that dragged down ownership. EST was up 16%.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

You are half right. It was disc (-25.55%) that dragged down ownership. EST was up 16%.

Does not matter the %, ownership is down compared to yesteryear. Easy to understand for some of us. No big titles = no big sales. Considering the number of EST capable devices EST should be much higher than they are.

[hatchet man]

I guess I'm just to old school or not smart enough to keep up with new technology & change so I will just keep buying and stick with physical media. There's just something about collecting & displaying that I still love to do. So I'll just keep buying & collecting till they shut me down which I hope never happens. Having physical media to look at & share with other people is always a good conversation piece as well.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Does not matter the %, ownership is down compared to yesteryear. Easy to understand for some of us. No big titles = no big sales. Considering the number of EST capable devices EST should be much higher than they are.

You could say the same thing about disc. There is a disc player of some kind in over 90% of all USA households.

The fact that EST outsold PM is just an indicator of where the market is going - even in the worst of times.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

You could say the same thing about disc. There is a disc player of some kind in over 90% of all USA households.

The fact that EST outsold PM is just an indicator of where the market is going - even in the worst of times.

How many capable EST devices are there for every disc player? Just guessing I would say 5 to 8 times as many, don't care enough to research.

For most enthusiast it is a moot point, we will continue to buy disc for the best quality and stream for casual viewing.

Would you care to compare your streaming investments with mine?

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

How many capable EST devices are there for every disc player? Just guessing I would say 5 to 8 times as many, don't care enough to research.

For most enthusiast it is a moot point, we will continue to buy disc for the best quality and stream for casual viewing.

It's not the number of capable devices. It's the content being purchased. EST enjoys sales of TV shows as much as movies which PM is sorely lacking in. That is a fact everyone knows.

Would you care to compare your streaming investments with mine?

Oh - another of your Strawman Arguments.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by hatchet man

Having physical media to look at & share with other people is always a good conversation piece as well.

Just as a point of technology reference, IPTV (streaming) preceded digital disc (DVD). We were streaming our main video channel to the internet in the late 90's, went on with our first ATSC channel in November 1998.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Oh - another of your Strawman Arguments.

Not an argument, just a question. You are the anti-disc, pro streaming person here, anyone with a pea brain can see that. Don't believe me, do a poll.

[Lee A Stewart]

IPTV is not the same as OTT.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Not an argument, just a question. You are the anti-disc, pro streaming person here, anyone with a pea brain can see that. Don't believe me, do a poll.

Just want to make sure you don't delete this post.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Too bad there is not a streaming only site where the anti-disc folks can post. Most folks* that come to this site realizes they are at a disc site and can post something positive and useful or learn something useful.

* Click here at any onetime and one can see most of the visitors are in disc related sections while a small number are in the Digital Movies section.