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i liked the story... simple story with complicated characters...
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I didn't really think so. To me it seemed like they were forming a bond so I would have been disappointed if it didn't end the way it did. Actually, don't they say the same kind of thing sometimes happens with kidnappers and their victims. After the victim is rescued, they often defend the kidnapper (some sort of weird bond between them appears to happen). Anyway, it kind of seemed like that to me in this movie. Also, while he seemed to respect the father and his son, he didn't completely give up his ways (or that's the way I took it when he whistled for his horse. I figured he was going to espcape after the train was out-of-sight). Of course, I could be way off but that's way I felt about it. Last edited by owa; 01-19-2008 at 01:18 AM. |
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I just watched this film last night (I was at CES when it was released, so my purchasing schedule got all screwed up) and I enjoyed it. Not as good as some of the classic westerns, but good on its own rights. I have a different interpretation of the ending:
To me, it seemed like he wanted to be go to Yuma. He knew the Marshall would be back soon, and didn't even flinch when he saw him riding back. He took Ben's stall bait easily (and he was a very smart criminal). He never got away far enough where he couldn't be found (stuck to me main roads - not very smart) but always gave them trouble so as to not show his true intention. He even said he had escaped from Yuma 2 times before - so why would he care about going there again? So why would he want to go to Yuma? As he said, you have to be a ruthless animal to run that gang, and it was a lot of work for him. I think the plan was to go to Yuma and escape into the unknown with his crew just assuming he had died or disappeared. Of course, to make the plan work, his crew had to believe he was really forced to go to Yuma. You can't just leave a gang. So for that, he needed someone willing to withstand a firefight and get him on the train. The only way to do that was to continually test his captures for resilience. Ben was the only one who passed and was willing to go fight. Notice how he was running with Ben to the train? Why would anyone run anywhere in a firefight? He would have just stayed put, or run away while Ben was taking fire and firing back. It would have been real easy to slip away. He even let Ben know that one fat guy was about to shoot him while he was reloading. He wanted to go to Yuma, and escape into the unknown. When his gang spoiled that, he shot them all (didn't have to worry about leading a gang anymore) and got on the train to follow his plan. The guard would never say he hid while he killed his gang. And who believes old prisoners? Sorry for the quick writing... I'm multitasking. |
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Hmm, that makes quite a bit of sense Josh. I think you are on to something...
I liked Yuma and will probably like it more when I watch it the second time. I liked how Russel Crowe's character had a Hannibal Lechter thing going, the way he would get inside peoples' heads. ![]() |
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Sorry, but I'm not buying Josh's theory. Way too many things could go wrong. Someone said that the orig. did a better job explaining Wade's motivations. I guess I need to check that out. Sounds like they just didn't pull off the metamorphosis very well.
Key point... Mom dumps Wade with a Bible You have the spiritual and you have the secular. Balance. Wade associates his abandonment with the spiritual and spends his life in the darkness of the secular. His exposure to Dan and his family and the choices they make in the face of hardship is the catalyst to change. |
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*** SPOILER ALERT ONLY FOR THOSE WHO HAVE SEEN THIS***
I do agree with you Josh but also feel that the ending focused on the character of Ben and Dan, the film to me was amazing I liked the parts in the beginning where it showed Ben testing Dan and my favorite part was when Russel Crowe: Ben, kept pushing Dan in the desert and then made a comment about his wife which made Dan furious and as Ben layed there he said: Dan Evans: You say one more word, I'll cut you down right here. Ben Wade: I like this side of you, Dan. At this point they were enemies but as the movie progressed they started to respect one another, IMO they became friends. Ben even jokes about this when they are staying in the room above the saloon saying somthing of the nature ain't we friends yet Dan. Dan even starts to like Bens character when he opens up to him and feels that he needs to explain himself and tells Ben something personal: Dan Evans: I ain't stubborn. Ben Wade: What? Dan Evans: Earlier, you called me stubborn for keeping my wife and sons on a dying ranch. When Mark was two, he got tuberculosis. Doctor said we should get him to a dryer climate. Ben Wade: Why are you tellin' me this? Dan Evans: I don't know. I guess I just wanted you to know... I ain't stubborn. [both start laughing] By the end of this movie (WRAPPIN THIS UP) they were more than enemies they respected one another. Ben was'nt worried about going to Yuma he's broke out before could do it again and even if he doesnt he knows he's a bad man who deservs to die. IMO He respected Dan so much that he wanted Dan to be the man who caught Ben Wade (himself) he knew his family situation and life situation and respected him and his character so much that he wanted him to be the one who brought him down. You can see how happy he was that they made it and how ANGRY he became when his left hand man shot him, so he shot down his men. TO ME IMO I know others may argue this but when he got in the train and locked himself up he created the Legend of Dan Evans the man who brought down Ben Wade and killed all of his men ![]() To me a man who does not like Westerns, this is one of my favorite movies. |
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Maybe it is all of the above. Try this: Wade wants to get caught, he is tired of being on the run with a group of scum all the time. But he doesn't realize this consciously, he hasn't admitted it to himself yet. His growing respect and sympathy for Dan allows this latent desire to bubble to the surface to the extent that by the end he is actually helping Dan get him to the train.
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#297 |
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Dec 2007
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His plan was to escape from the train not when he gets to Yuma, remember when he whistled to his horse? Overall I like the movie too.
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**SPOILER**
the "i shot myself in the leg, we were in retreat...how do you tell your boy that as your hero story???" line. this was 2-3 min from the end of the movie, and ben was choking dan. ben's father and mother abandoned him, how could he allow what happened to him, happen to dan's son?? so not only will he not kill dan (so dan's son has a dad, which ben never did), but he'll get on the train so the father-son bond will be strong...that way he can fill a little bit of the huge void left from his parents abandoning him |
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