Offical Neon Genesis Evangelion Info/Update Thread - Page 15 - Blu-ray Forum

Xtempo · 06-17-2015, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by svenge

Blu-ray set breakdown:

BDs 1-5: Episodes 1-26 + "director's cut" episodes 21'-24'
BD 6: Death and Rebirth (original 1997 version)
BD 7: The End of Evangelion (original 1997 version)
BD 8: Revival of Evangelion (1998 theatrical re-release w/ Death[True]², Air, and Magokoro wo Kimi ni all in one program)
BD 9: Bonus features ("Genesis Versions" of 25': Air / 26': Magokoro wo Kimi ni, Genesis 0:0 PV, Genesis 0:0' PV, and other contents from the 2003 "Renewal" DVD box set and the "Neon Genesis Evangelion Music DVD) along with some new material.
BD 10: AR Rush versions of 12 episodes + parts of the movies (note AR Rush were referred to as "animatics" in ADV's Platinum release)

"Archive of Evangelion" DVD set breakdown:

DVDs 1-7: TV Series 1-26 (original 1995/6 broadcast version) + bonus material on disc 7
DVD 8: Death(True) and Rebirth (as broadcast on WOWOW satellite TV in January 1998) + bonus material

Full specs:

[Show spoiler]

Thanks for your help as always.

I am still a bit confused obviously the archival release makes me want to buy it. I did pre-order the BD one from CDjapan.

what's your advice? Why did they make these two releases this way..I mean it kind of sounds like you should buy both. Will the archival one be rare? Should I even consider getting it as well as the BD?

thanks svenge your help is very much appreciated.

insomniac013 · 06-17-2015, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Naiera

If ANYTHING is worth Aniplex prices, it's Eva. It's the single best anime TV series ever. One of the finest works of fiction in the world. Is that really not worth a slightly more expensive release?

Don't think FUNi won't milk the license either. They won't be throwing dirt cheap releases after us like they did with Bebop. And they won't make a good release no matter how expensive.

Sure, but not at 500 dollars or however much Aniplex usually charges. But if it was a 300-350 dollar box set and included End of Evangelion (a masterpiece on its own), good extras, the Director's Cut episodes, an artbook - basically like the set Svenge has linked to, except English friendly? I'd buy it in a heartbeat!

But Aniplex doesn't charge extra because they work extra hard on it, they charge that much because that's how the Japanese business model works. They just port it over, add English subs, maybe a dub if they arent there already.

Funi could do the same if they weren't idiots and lacked proper QA. Sometimes there's a great release like Cowboy Bebop, but other times... Yeah, they should've learned from their mistakes by now. I think it's a good idea ditching 25-gb discs and replacing them with 50-gb, cutting the disc count in half, but when they mess up the encoding in the process, that's where I draw the line.

svenge · 06-17-2015, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Xtempo

Thanks for your help as always.

I am still a bit confused obviously the archival release makes me want to buy it. I did pre-order the BD one from CDjapan.

what's your advice? Why did they make these two releases this way..I mean it kind of sounds like you should buy both. Will the archival one be rare? Should I even consider getting it as well as the BD?

thanks svenge your help is very much appreciated.

As I see it, the "point" of the Archive DVD box is to essentially be a time capsule to 1995/6 (and early 1998 for D&R), when the TV series was originally airing. There were changes made to the series for its original home video release (hiragana transcriptions were removed from the episodes' title cards, next episode previews were extended from the original 15 seconds to 30 seconds, various minor animation tweaks and fixes, etc.)

Before now, the only episodes to have ever been previously released on home video in an unaltered, broadcast-accurate fashion were 21-24, and even then were only available as a mail-order bonus (named "Genesis 0:X") by sending in the proofs of purchase for all 14 VHS/LD volumes of the TV series back in 1996/7 or buying the "Second Impact Box" DVD set #2 (catalog #KIBA-011, priced at ¥22500 back in 2000).

As for DVD #8 containing Death[True] and Rebirth, that version was exclusively aired on WOWOW satellite TV in January 1998; note that said revision of "Death" has never made it onto any home video release, as only the 3rd revision of Death, with the suffix "True²" (read: True squared) has ever been released until now.

What made that WOWOW broadcast important at the time (besides the fact its version of DEATH never got a subsequent video release) is that when it aired in January 1998 it was already 10 months after the release of D&R in theaters, but still 2 months before "Revival of Evangelion" (the version we're familiar with on Japanese home video, which included Death[True]² / Air / Magokoro wo Kimi ni) premiered in theaters. It would also be 11 months before Death[True]² and Rebirth would be released on VHS and LD in that enormous Theatrical Edition box set with all the swag.

The bonus features added to the Archive DVD set also seem to be contemporaneous to that period of time (or at least when it made its second run on TV soon after the first run ended), which supports my hunch about being a sort of "time capsule" or memorial to the era.

As for the reasoning behind separating the Blu-ray box and the Archive DVD box, I believe there is more to it than just profit. The Blu-ray box is conceptually the same as the 2003 "Renewal" box set (the "red monolith" one, catalog #KIBA-91001) in that it's the Evangelion TV series and 1997 movies being remastered with the latest techniques on the highest-quality format available along with a ton of bonus materials. In contrast, the Archive DVD box has one specific aim (preservation of the TV series as it originally aired, along with throwing in the version of Death[True] that the BD set doesn't include). Since it was a SD show from 1997 and and "originality" is the set's aim, I believe that DVD is the appropriate format for that. Since the two boxes have very different aims, many people who would want only the BD box for the updated A/V presentation would chafe at having to pay another ￥18,000 for a DVD preservation they don't want if they were combined into one box without any other options.

Personally, I'm going to buy both if funds allow (I may need to sell of some of my collection to do that) because for me having all the Japanese releases of Evangelion and seeing how the presentation of the series and movies changed over the years is somewhat like a form of "textual criticism" that is normally carried out on ancient manuscripts, but for the modern era.

Of course the A/V quality of the Archive box will likely not be even as good as the 2003 Renewal releases from Japan (but still better than the original Japanese DVDs from 1997-1999) so if that's all you're after (and don't care about the bonus features from that time), you might be better off saving your money and just buying only the Blu-ray box.

Harlock415 · 06-18-2015, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by insomniac013

I could, but it's not worth it at Aniplex prices and I know plenty people feel the same. I'd be fine with a Funi release.

And I disagree, you're being way too harsh. I own Cowboy Bebop and it was a freaking GREAT release! And why don't movies count? You're just cherrypicking now.

Unless Aniplex sells at reasonable prices, I'm right with you.

insomniac013 · 06-18-2015, 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by svenge

[Show spoiler]As I see it, the "point" of the Archive DVD box is to essentially be a time capsule to 1995/6 (and early 1998 for D&R), when the TV series was originally airing. There were changes made to the series for its original home video release (hiragana transcriptions were removed from the episodes' title cards, next episode previews were extended from the original 15 seconds to 30 seconds, various minor animation tweaks and fixes, etc.)

Before now, the only episodes to have ever been previously released on home video in an unaltered, broadcast-accurate fashion were 21-24, and even then were only available as a mail-order bonus (named "Genesis 0:X") by sending in the proofs of purchase for all 14 VHS/LD volumes of the TV series back in 1996/7 or buying the "Second Impact Box" DVD set #2 (catalog #KIBA-011, priced at ¥22500 back in 2000).

As for DVD #8 containing Death[True] and Rebirth, that version was exclusively aired on WOWOW satellite TV in January 1998; note that said revision of "Death" has never made it onto any home video release, as only the 3rd revision of Death, with the suffix "True²" (read: True squared) has ever been released until now.

What made that WOWOW broadcast important at the time (besides the fact its version of DEATH never got a subsequent video release) is that when it aired in January 1998 it was already 10 months after the release of D&R in theaters, but still 2 months before "Revival of Evangelion" (the version we're familiar with on Japanese home video, which included Death[True]² / Air / Magokoro wo Kimi ni) premiered in theaters. It would also be 11 months before Death[True]² and Rebirth would be released on VHS and LD in that enormous Theatrical Edition box set with all the swag.

The bonus features added to the Archive DVD set also seem to be contemporaneous to that period of time (or at least when it made its second run on TV soon after the first run ended), which supports my hunch about being a sort of "time capsule" or memorial to the era.

As for the reasoning behind separating the Blu-ray box and the Archive DVD box, I believe there is more to it than just profit. The Blu-ray box is conceptually the same as the 2003 "Renewal" box set (the "red monolith" one, catalog #KIBA-91001) in that it's the Evangelion TV series and 1997 movies being remastered with the latest techniques on the highest-quality format available along with a ton of bonus materials. In contrast, the Archive DVD box has one specific aim (preservation of the TV series as it originally aired, along with throwing in the version of Death[True] that the BD set doesn't include). Since it was a SD show from 1997 and and "originality" is the set's aim, I believe that DVD is the appropriate format for that. Since the two boxes have very different aims, many people who would want only the BD box for the updated A/V presentation would chafe at having to pay another ￥18,000 for a DVD preservation they don't want if they were combined into one box without any other options.

Personally, I'm going to buy both if funds allow (I may need to sell of some of my collection to do that) because for me having all the Japanese releases of Evangelion and seeing how the presentation of the series and movies changed over the years is somewhat like a form of "textual criticism" that is normally carried out on ancient manuscripts, but for the modern era.

Of course the A/V quality of the Archive box will likely not be even as good as the 2003 Renewal releases from Japan (but still better than the original Japanese DVDs from 1997-1999) so if that's all you're after (and don't care about the bonus features from that time), you might be better off saving your money and just buying only the Blu-ray box.

I think disc 7 and 8 from the Archive DVD box set should've been included with the Blu Ray set, that would make it COMPLETE!

svenge · 06-18-2015, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by insomniac013

I think disc 7 and 8 from the Archive DVD box set should've been included with the Blu Ray set, that would make it COMPLETE!

But then Studio Khara might lose a few sales from the Archive set!

Seriously though, I'm glad that at the very least they didn't do anything scummy like splitting bonus features from the 2003 DVD set between the two releases or anything. All the bonus features from the Archive DVD set are new to home video, so to me it's fair enough.

On a tangent, I finally pre-ordered both sets ( Blu-ray / Archive DVD ) from Amazon JP just now. If the JPY/USD rate holds steady between now and late August, it'll cost a total of $350 shipped. Hopefully I'll be able to sell off some of my current Eva collection to offset the cost, feel free to PM me if interested...

insomniac013 · 06-18-2015, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by svenge

But then Studio Khara might lose a few sales from the Archive set!

Seriously though, I'm glad that at the very least they didn't do anything scummy like splitting bonus features from the 2003 DVD set between the two releases or anything. All the bonus features from the Archive DVD set are new to home video, so to me it's fair enough.

On a tangent, I finally pre-ordered both sets ( Blu-ray / Archive DVD ) from Amazon JP just now. If the JPY/USD rate holds steady between now and late August, it'll cost a total of $350 shipped. Hopefully I'll be able to sell off some of my current Eva collection to offset the cost, feel free to PM me if interested...

$350 for both is a damn good deal! If this was coming from Aniplex it would easily be twice that amount for LESS content.

And again if these were English friendly I would be all over them!

svenge · 06-18-2015, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by insomniac013

$350 for both is a damn good deal! If this was coming from Aniplex it would easily be twice that amount for LESS content.

And again if these were English friendly I would be all over them!

I really can't understand Japanese either, but collecting Evangelion home video releases is one of my things (thus my "compendium").

The one thing that I wish that was included on either set is the "Symphony of Evangelion" video recording. I'd like to be able to retire my Laserdisc of it, as it never got released on DVD either.

Naiera · 06-18-2015, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by insomniac013

$350 for both is a damn good deal! If this was coming from Aniplex it would easily be twice that amount for LESS content.

I don't think that's true. There's no reason a Blu-ray release from Aniplex couldn't sell for $200 and have most if not all the same content.

Plus it would come with subtitles.

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Originally Posted by insomniac013

And again if these were English friendly I would be all over them!

The Blu-ray set is 2,000 Danish kroner with taxes and shipping. How is that not Aniplex prices? Are you sure your Ani-hate isn't clouding your judgment?

insomniac013 · 06-18-2015, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Naiera

I don't think that's true. There's no reason a Blu-ray release from Aniplex couldn't sell for $200 and have most if not all the same content.

Plus it would come with subtitles.

The Blu-ray set is 2,000 Danish kroner with taxes and shipping. How is that not Aniplex prices? Are you sure your Ani-hate isn't clouding your judgment?

The amount of content (episodes, alternate cuts, movies, extras, booklets) that you get for 350 dollars would make it justifiable.

I'm gonna use Gurren Lagann for reference:
Aniplex's deluxe Gurren Lagann set from Rightstuf cost like 500-600 dollars, and that was just for the 10 blu rays, some CDs and an artbook. Imagine how much Aniplex would charge for both Evangelion sets!

If you were to buy the Gurren Lagann show in volumes (5+movies) it would still cost around 300-400 dollars and that's just blu rays in slipcases, with a booklet or poster each i believe.

But if Aniplex were to release EVA the same way for $200? Sure, absolutely! I just don't think Aniplex would miss a chance to squeeze as much money out of fans as they could

Naiera · 06-18-2015, 03:16 PM

The Gurren Lagann deluxe set was an import. It's much more expensive in Japan right now than the Blu-ray Evangelion set is.

And why are we talking about the Lagann movies? They're just summary movies, while the Eva movies are something quite different. The five Lagann releases are $250, which, shipped, would be about the same as the Eva set from Japan, albeit without customs paid.

Xtempo · 06-18-2015, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by svenge

I really can't understand Japanese either, but collecting Evangelion home video releases is one of my things (thus my "compendium").

The one thing that I wish that was included on either set is the "Symphony of Evangelion" video recording. I'd like to be able to retire my Laserdisc of it, as it never got released on DVD either.

you and me both.

insomniac013 · 06-18-2015, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Naiera

The Gurren Lagann deluxe set was an import. It's much more expensive in Japan right now than the Blu-ray Evangelion set is.

And why are we talking about the Lagann movies? They're just summary movies, while the Eva movies are something quite different. The five Lagann releases are $250, which, shipped, would be about the same as the Eva set from Japan, albeit without customs paid.

Yeah, because one is from Aniplex and the other is not. You get a lot more bang for your back with the EVA set than with the Gurren sets from Aniplex. The Japanese set was packed with extras and had a huge artbook but the US got none of that, outside of the identical Import with a translation booklet.

I'm including the summary GL movies because they were included in the Deluxe set, which in turn was comparable to the EVA blu ray box. (And Death and Rebirth are summary movies too!)

Thomas Guycott · 06-18-2015, 08:06 PM

Dude, your bias is showing, might want to take a sec and discretely tuck it back in.

BigOnAnime · 06-19-2015, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by insomniac013

If you were to buy the Gurren Lagann show in volumes (5+movies) it would still cost around 300-400 dollars and that's just blu rays in slipcases, with a booklet or poster each i believe.

And missing ALL of the extras from Bandai's DVD's and AoA's DVD's (Which basically are the exact same discs Bandai used, yay...). I get they're using the same exact discs as the Japanese Blu-ray, and couldn't include certain extras from the JPBD, but they could have at least TRIED to include those extras we've had for ages in those BD's. The BD's would feel more worth it if they had those extras, but like usual, AoA gimps people on various content from the Japanese release (See: Missing booklet pages, end cards*Cough*Nisekoi*Cough*, among other things), or in this case, previous R1 releases.

What's missing BTW.

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Yoko Goes to Gainax - Study Animation at Gainax, Sazigen 3DCG Test Animation Footage, Creative Staff Interview, Shokotan Interview

http://www.rightstufanime.com/Gurren...ed-Edition-CDs

Xtempo · 06-19-2015, 05:54 PM

I ended up ordering the archive edition as well as a foldable rebuild crate (reissue) I will end up with 3 packages I hope. Somehow got 12 emails from paypal of the same transactions. Maybe it got messed up when I was trying to add it to the BD order. I will have to keep an eye on things. 2 by fedex 1 by ems for some reason I could not do fedex for the crate.

svenge · 06-19-2015, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Xtempo

I ended up ordering the archive edition as well as a foldable rebuild crate (reissue) I will end up with 3 packages I hope. Somehow got 12 emails from paypal of the same transactions. Maybe it got messed up when I was trying to add it to the BD order. I will have to keep an eye on things. 2 by fedex 1 by ems for some reason I could not do fedex for the crate.

What's this "foldable rebuild crate" you mentioned?

Xtempo · 06-19-2015, 09:42 PM

I was late for the first one but this is a reissue http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/NEOGDS-144750

still unsure whether to buy any Eva on vinyl--maybe sometime.

svenge · 06-19-2015, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Xtempo

I was late for the first one but this is a reissue http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/NEOGDS-144750

[Show spoiler]

Never saw that one before. Seems nice, but I don't do physical goods for anime as they're just too expensive. Just home video and the theatrical pamphlets/programs for me, thanks!

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Originally Posted by Xtempo

I was late for the first one but this is a reissue http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/NEOGDS-144750still unsure whether to buy any Eva on vinyl--maybe sometime.

Meh, KIJA-6 just a vinyl LP of music content that already exists in its entirety on CD. Then again, you've already got some Evangelion music content on an obsolete format (i.e. the "Symphony of Evangelion" LD) so you can do what you want!

Girls With Guns · 06-19-2015, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Xtempo

I was late for the first one but this is a reissue http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/NEOGDS-144750

[Show spoiler]

still unsure whether to buy any Eva on vinyl--maybe sometime.

Holy crap - $65+ just to ship the crate...

I'm getting one of those same style folding crates in the Under the Dog Kickstarter, to store all the UTD junk and the Anthea figure that comes with that pledge tier...

06-18-2015, 03:16 PM	#291
Naiera Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Jun 2012 Location:Denmark Home Theater Gallery:2 Trading Score:25	The Gurren Lagann deluxe set was an import. It's much more expensive in Japan right now than the Blu-ray Evangelion set is. And why are we talking about the Lagann movies? They're just summary movies, while the Eva movies are something quite different. The five Lagann releases are $250, which, shipped, would be about the same as the Eva set from Japan, albeit without customs paid. Last edited by Naiera; 06-18-2015 at 03:33 PM.

06-18-2015, 08:06 PM	#294
Thomas Guycott Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Feb 2012 Location:USA 4K collection:6 Blu-ray collection:544 DVD collection:181 Trading Score:2	Dude, your bias is showing, might want to take a sec and discretely tuck it back in.

06-19-2015, 05:54 PM	#296
Xtempo Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Nov 2009 Home Theater Gallery:44 4K collection:14 Blu-ray collection:125 DVD collection:99 MA collection:29 iTunes collection:6 Prime collection:2 Trading Score:2	I ended up ordering the archive edition as well as a foldable rebuild crate (reissue) I will end up with 3 packages I hope. Somehow got 12 emails from paypal of the same transactions. Maybe it got messed up when I was trying to add it to the BD order. I will have to keep an eye on things. 2 by fedex 1 by ems for some reason I could not do fedex for the crate.

06-19-2015, 09:42 PM	#298
Xtempo Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Nov 2009 Home Theater Gallery:44 4K collection:14 Blu-ray collection:125 DVD collection:99 MA collection:29 iTunes collection:6 Prime collection:2 Trading Score:2	I was late for the first one but this is a reissue http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/NEOGDS-144750 still unsure whether to buy any Eva on vinyl--maybe sometime.

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