Carrie (1976) (Collector's Edition)

[McCrutchy]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

This has really thrown you for a loop, huh?

Normally, somebody would eventually argue that "it's only a Blu-ray [and/or movie]", and I would want to argue that it seems certain films are being lost to the past a bit, and that's part of the reason I think cinema is dying. That doesn't imply anything about this release, but more a sort of general sadness that so many films seem consigned to become smaller and smaller in our memories. I think that's one of the many reasons for the current state of cinema, which relies so heavily on known properties, even down to previous versions of films.

Lately, however, I'm finding that a lot of things that happen in this world aren't making any sense to me, so here, I'm just gonna roll with it.

I even overpaid for the Deluxe Limited Edition. Sure, because it comes a week earlier (I don't give a toss about a second slipcover), but also because I've snobbishly looked down my nose at Shout! a lot, and maybe I've not been very fair, really.

I'm just trying to balance the scales, I think.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Worship.my.wreck

Which is why I prefer companies like SF or criterion who will do what they have to to get the rights or whatever to release these films in our region.

Right, but you realise people outside the US are in the same position re: Criterion and Shout being region locked? Yes, Criterion have got a limited UK operation going on with Sony but that's not unlike Arrow's limited US model: we get what we're given by the respective 'overseas' operations of these labels.

Even if I wasn't region free (it's the only way to fly) I still wouldn't begrudge Criterion and Shout for getting all the rights and doing all these great editions which are mostly for the US of (region) A only, so I find it mucho weird that Arrow are looked down upon for doing the same thing for region B. Or does this basically boil down to the increasingly common "the best version of an American movie should be released in America, dagnabbit!!!" way of thinking?

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by McCrutchy

Normally, somebody would eventually argue that "it's only a Blu-ray [and/or movie]", and I would want to argue that it seems certain films are being lost to the past a bit, and that's part of the reason I think cinema is dying. That doesn't imply anything about this release, but more a sort of general sadness that so many films seem consigned to become smaller and smaller in our memories. I think that's one of the many reasons for the current state of cinema, which relies so heavily on known properties, even down to previous versions of films.

Lately, however, I'm finding that a lot of things that happen in this world aren't making any sense to me, so here, I'm just gonna roll with it.

I even overpaid for the Deluxe Limited Edition. Sure, because it comes a week earlier (I don't give a toss about a second slipcover), but also because I've snobbishly looked down my nose at Shout! a lot, and maybe I've not been very fair, really.

I'm just trying to balance the scales, I think.

Between this and your lengthy examination of BvS in the UK forum I think you maybe need to relax a bit, mate. And I'm not saying that to be snarky, really I'm not. I'm taking my own break from buying UHD discs because they're doing my head in.

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by cine74

If Criterion was offered Carrie and they passed they probably passed for a reason. They probably weren't 100% satisfied with MGM's 4K scan. Maybe Criterion wanted to do additional work on the transfer and were denied? Although why they may have been denied would remain a mystery since Criterion has been given access to film elements in the past. I would've preferred Criterion release this but at this point it doesn't matter anymore - one of the finest horror films ever made is finally getting the treatment it deserves.

I'm not sure how you would arrive at this. Isn't it logical to assume if there was a 4K scan of the negative, the quality would be good? Why would a studio go back to the original negative and not do the necessary work and quality scanning? There could be a whole host of other reasons why Criterion didn't take it.

I will predict this though: there will be a ton of complaints the color timing doesn't match the original Blu and someone will say it doesn't match that Saturday night viewing he saw in 1976.

[McCrutchy]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Between this and your lengthy examination of BvS in the UK forum I think you maybe need to relax a bit, mate. And I'm not saying that to be snarky, really I'm not. I'm taking my own break from buying UHD discs because they're doing my head in.

Yes, definitely. Believe me, I've come to terms with this stuff very, very quickly. It wasn't very important to begin with.

Besides, I got a Deluxe copy before they sold out, so Twilight Time apparently needs to up their game considerably, now.

[recS-12]

Just ordered 2 deluxe editions w/extra Slipcovers. 1 for me and 1 to TRADE for the deluxe edition w/extra slipcover of "The Thing" Somebody please pm me so we can make this happen. I missed the window of opportunity for "The Thing" and I NEED IT.

[MechaGodzilla]

Originally Posted by McCrutchy

Normally, somebody would eventually argue that "it's only a Blu-ray [and/or movie]", and I would want to argue that it seems certain films are being lost to the past a bit, and that's part of the reason I think cinema is dying. That doesn't imply anything about this release, but more a sort of general sadness that so many films seem consigned to become smaller and smaller in our memories. I think that's one of the many reasons for the current state of cinema, which relies so heavily on known properties, even down to previous versions of films.

Lately, however, I'm finding that a lot of things that happen in this world aren't making any sense to me, so here, I'm just gonna roll with it.

I even overpaid for the Deluxe Limited Edition. Sure, because it comes a week earlier (I don't give a toss about a second slipcover), but also because I've snobbishly looked down my nose at Shout! a lot, and maybe I've not been very fair, really.

I'm just trying to balance the scales, I think.

I fail to see the big problem here. Regardless of which label releases it there's still a new 4K scan and the movie actually being released, and that's a good thing, right? I wouldn't weep for the supposed fading status of Carrie based on Shout releasing it instead of Criterion.

The films that are truly fading away are the ones that are left to rot away with no one bothering to restore them because they don't think there'd be any financial reward in it, only released in extremely poor quality or not even given a home video release period, etc. Carrie is not in that category, I'd take solace in that.

[asabreed]

These deluxe sets (ROTLD, The Thing, Carrie) are not for me, but clearly they're a great idea as a lot of fans love the slips and posters.

I'll get them when they're around $15 down the road, but if the deluxe edition money helps more and more solid releases see the light of day, I'm all for it.

[neoz]

Originally Posted by asabreed

These deluxe sets (ROTLD, The Thing, Carrie) are not for me, but clearly they're a great idea as a lot of fans love the slips and posters.

I'll get them when they're around $15 down the road, but if the deluxe edition money helps more and more solid releases see the light of day, I'm all for it.

Ditto, $34 for any extra slip is a bit high. That is $15 for a slipcover. And when it comes to slips I know slips and that is just a lot. I could see tacking on an extra $5 maybe but $15 nope. And no that extra poster doesn't count either. The slip is what I'm basing the pricing on.

[cad1981]

Originally Posted by MechaGodzilla

I fail to see the big problem here. Regardless of which label releases it there's still a new 4K scan and the movie actually being released, and that's a good thing, right? I wouldn't weep for the supposed fading status of Carrie based on Shout releasing it instead of Criterion.

The films that are truly fading away are the ones that are left to rot away with no one bothering to restore them because they don't think there'd be any financial reward in it, only released in extremely poor quality or not even given a home video release period, etc. Carrie is not in that category, I'd take solace in that.

Considering Criterion would put this on one disc, with all extras in HD, the film would be ~20GB (like Blow Out and Dressed to Kill). Shout/Scream usually compresses the feature size to closer to ~30GB.

I don't understand anyone who complains that Scream/Shout is releasing a title instead of Criterion. What is the advantage? Criterion's classier covers? Aren't we buying blu rays for the content (i.e. the film)?

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by McCrutchy

Yes, definitely. Believe me, I've come to terms with this stuff very, very quickly. It wasn't very important to begin with.

Besides, I got a Deluxe copy before they sold out, so Twilight Time apparently needs to up their game considerably, now.

Perhaps TT will start issuing stuff with THREE slips?

"Mr President, we cannot allow a slipcover gap!" (sorry, I've still got Strangelove lodged in my brain)

[Worship.my.wreck]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Right, but you realise people outside the US are in the same position re: Criterion and Shout being region locked? Yes, Criterion have got a limited UK operation going on with Sony but that's not unlike Arrow's limited US model: we get what we're given by the respective 'overseas' operations of these labels.

Even if I wasn't region free (it's the only way to fly) I still wouldn't begrudge Criterion and Shout for getting all the rights and doing all these great editions which are mostly for the US of (region) A only, so I find it mucho weird that Arrow are looked down upon for doing the same thing for region B. Or does this basically boil down to the increasingly common "the best version of an American movie should be released in America, dagnabbit!!!" way of thinking?

Last time I checked this was the North America section of the forum. So all these threads and topics should be for region A releases. I never said Arrow was a bad company and will admit they do a good job with their releases. But I'm not a fan of their region B only releases. Regardless of the reason why they can't or don't release certain titles in the US. That's why I prefer SF and Criterion because they do what they have to do to get these releases HERE in the US. I couldnt care less about the other regions, because I live in the US. I'm sure I would love Arrow if I was living in the UK but I'm not and I don't.

[zbinks]

Originally Posted by cakefactory

What makes you think they had anything to do with it? I bet MGM did it on their own and then decided they didn't feel like releasing a physical copy themselves. The recent 2K transfers I am sure Scream did, but this seems quite unlikely since it would have been expensive on a level they couldn't afford.

http://geeknation.com/podcasts/kille...ry-the-sequel/

This was an October 2013 Podcast and at 1:51:20 the following conversation took place:

Jeff Nelson: A little bit of trivia, we lost Carrie. Yeah, we tried to get it...
Cliff MacMillan: Well we had it, but MGM wanted us to do a scan of the film and we said "Fine, we'll do it," I mean we want to put out Carrie.
Rob Galluzzo: What does that mean a scan of the film?
Cliff MacMillan: They take the film and they scan it in frame by frame into a computer, and they just didn't want to allow us access to the materials. They were so scared that the film was so old and that it could fall apart or whatever, which wouldn't have happened, but they were so paranoid about it that they said, "No, we don't..."
Jeff Nelson: We love that film, it would've been great drafting. We would've given it a Collector's edition and put it and the Blu-Ray...
Cliff MacMillan: That's why MGM wanted us to put it out.

My guess would be that MGM relented and allowed them access to the film.

[McCrutchy]

Originally Posted by MechaGodzilla

I fail to see the big problem here. Regardless of which label releases it there's still a new 4K scan and the movie actually being released, and that's a good thing, right? I wouldn't weep for the supposed fading status of Carrie based on Shout releasing it instead of Criterion.

The films that are truly fading away are the ones that are left to rot away with no one bothering to restore them because they don't think there'd be any financial reward in it, only released in extremely poor quality or not even given a home video release period, etc. Carrie is not in that category, I'd take solace in that.

There never was a big problem, there was a small problem in my part, and I was wrong to have any problem in the first place, and certainly to blow it out of proportion as I did.

And you're spot on, MechaGodzilla, this certainly isn't a film like The Alamo or The Crowd, which is in danger of fading away right now. If anything, Carrie will only go on, and hopefully outlast all of us, and Shout! deserve a lot of credit for helping to make that happen.

Originally Posted by Worship.my.wreck

Last time I checked this was the North America section of the forum. So all these threads and topics should be for region A releases. I never said Arrow was a bad company and will admit they do a good job with their releases. But I'm not a fan of their region B only releases. Regardless of the reason why they can't or don't release certain titles in the US. That's why I prefer SF and Criterion because they do what they have to do to get these releases HERE in the US. I couldnt care less about the other regions, because I live in the US. I'm sure I would love Arrow if I was living in the UK but I'm not and I don't.

Now, now, let's not bash Arrow, please. The UK deserves to have their boutique labels, too. And it's Criterion who've implemented a blanket region-locking policy on every Blu-ray they release, making them the only Blu-ray company to do so.

[DenOfEarth]

Ah ha, i predicted it! Scream Factory, thank you very much.

Who thinks this will improve over the lousy bareboned Fox BD with poor PQ and shall make up for it with it's 4K scan from the original negative you would be hard to believe it was made 40 years ago?

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by zbinks

My guess would be that MGM relented and allowed them access to the film.

Nice catch, it clearly hints at MGM's money troubles ("will you do it for us, pretty please?") but I don't understand the comments, how can MGM want them to do a new scan but then not allow them to do a new scan? Or is it that MGM did a quick appraisal of the elements and then got scared that Shout would ruin it by mishandling it?

In any case, if this is indeed an in-house 4K restoration then Shout's increasing competence with their bespoke transfers has seemingly led to the studios being confident enough that they can now handle original camera assets. No pressure, then...

[Worship.my.wreck]

Originally Posted by McCrutchy

There never was a big problem, there was a small problem in my part, and I was wrong to have any problem in the first place, and certainly to blow it out of proportion as I did.

And you're spot on, MechaGodzilla, this certainly isn't a film like The Alamo or The Crowd, which is in danger of fading away right now. If anything, Carrie will only go on, and hopefully outlast all of us, and Shout! deserve a lot of credit for helping to make that happen.



Now, now, let's not bash Arrow, please. The UK deserves to have their boutique labels, too. And it's Criterion who've implemented a blanket region-locking policy on every Blu-ray they release, making them the only Blu-ray company to do so.

Who's bashing Arrow? All I've ever said was that I prefer SF and Criterion because they release region A titles. Of course the UK deserves their own company but I don't live there. Therefore I couldn't care less about what's released over there or not. I'd like to see SF and Criterion or whoever else get the rights to the movies I love so that I can actually watch them. That's not bashing, it's called having a preference.

[BluPat]

About time.

[McCrutchy]

Originally Posted by Worship.my.wreck

Who's bashing Arrow? All I've ever said was that I prefer SF and Criterion because they release region A titles. Of course the UK deserves their own company but I don't live there. Therefore I couldn't care less about what's released over there or not. I'd like to see SF and Criterion or whoever else get the rights to the movies I love so that I can actually watch them. That's not bashing, it's called having a preference.

Well,

Originally Posted by Worship.my.wreck

I'm glad either way. SF or Criterion would have been great. I'm just glad it wasn't Arrow. Not that they don't do a good job, I just hate their region B only releases of certain films.

...you're at least taking a swipe at Arrow, a UK label, for releasing titles in the UK (Region B), which is pretty unfair. Especially considering that you could solve your problem with a relatively cheap Region B or multiregion player. And of course, the only reason Arrow have been able to release 95% of what they have released so far is because they are in the UK, and not, until recently, in the USA.

It's fine if you want to stay in Region A, but you shouldn't complain about UK labels releasing titles in the UK. If you want to purchase them, that's entirely possible, if not, then there's no need to complain. If Arrow had gotten Carrie, they would have either released it here, or otherwise, released it only in the UK, and that would have had virtually zero effect on an American release, anyway, precisely because of what you are complaining about.

[Worship.my.wreck]

Originally Posted by McCrutchy

Well,



...you're at least taking a swipe at Arrow, a UK label, for releasing titles in the UK (Region B), which is pretty unfair. Especially considering that you could solve your problem with a relatively cheap Region B or multiregion player. And of course, the only reason Arrow have been able to release 95% of what they have released so far is because they are in the UK, and not, until recently, in the USA.

It's fine if you want to stay in Region A, but you shouldn't complain about UK labels releasing titles in the UK. If you want to purchase them, that's entirely possible, if not, then there's no need to complain. If Arrow had gotten Carrie, they would have either released it here, or otherwise, released it only in the UK, and subsequently had virtually zero effect on an American release.

Buy me a region free player then since it's so cheap and easy to obtain. I'll gladly pm you my home address

Until then, I will continue to hope that the movies I want to see released get released by companies that will release them here in the US.