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Martoto · 09-08-2021, 08:58 AM

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My sentiments exactly

Maybe the reason for that is that I was having a conversation with someone else about their insistence on this movie being the sequel and direct continuity to GBII we always wanted since 1989 and I was referring to the sequel naming convention established by that movie franchise.

JediJones77 · 09-08-2021, 09:04 AM

It's just modern naming convention. We had a Predator 2 around when GB2 came out, but none of the other Predator movies have been called Predator 3. Likewise after Alien 3, the next Alien movie wasn't Alien 4. We never had Die Hard 3, 4 or 5.

Martoto · 09-08-2021, 09:24 AM

Seems to me that in all those cases the studios and the film makers were alluding to a departure from strict continuity.

And "More Aliens" didn't sound like a good title to follow Aliens with. Ditto "Even More Aliens"

JediJones77 · 09-08-2021, 10:36 AM

Nope, the Alien and Die Hard series certainly followed on from the previous movies' continuity.

Martoto · 09-08-2021, 01:09 PM

That must be why die hard Aliens fans have (stupidly) lobbied for a "direct sequel" to be made to that movie featuring Hicks and Newt who were clearly set up as continuing characters. Retconning Alien cubed to an alternate timeline. Alien Ressurection might as well be a sequel to the first Alien.

JediJones77 · 09-08-2021, 01:25 PM

No, that's not why. And a new sequel to Aliens to retcon 3 and 4 is not a stupid idea, it's a brilliant idea to rejuvenate that franchise.

kylor · 09-08-2021, 01:31 PM

Well a new sequel to Terminator 2 to retcon Terminator 3, Terminator Salvation, and Terminator Genisys, is not a stupid idea, it's a brilliant idea to rejuvenate that franchise.

Oh wait..

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Grossing $261 million against a production budget of $185–196 million, the film is estimated to have lost as much as $130 million, becoming a box office bomb, and plans for future films were cancelled.

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Martoto · 09-08-2021, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by JediJones77

No, that's not why. And a new sequel to Aliens to retcon 3 and 4 is not a stupid idea, it's a brilliant idea to rejuvenate that franchise.

So you agree that the direct continuity status of Alien 3 is negotiable. Well done. Thank you.

JediJones77 · 09-08-2021, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by kylor

Well a new sequel to Terminator 2 to retcon Terminator 3, Terminator Salvation, and Terminator Genisys, is not a stupid idea, it's a brilliant idea to rejuvenate that franchise.

Not when it makes the same mistake Alien 3 made in its first 5 minutes.

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Originally Posted by Martoto

So you agree that the direct continuity status of Alien 3 is negotiable.

No.

kylor · 09-08-2021, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JediJones77

Not when it makes the same mistake Alien 3 made in its first 5 minutes.

Well I don't know about you, but I for one are glad we are both in agreement on that one!

Himmel · 09-08-2021, 04:22 PM

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Martoto · 09-08-2021, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JediJones77

And a new sequel to Aliens to retcon 3 and 4 is not a stupid idea, it's a brilliant idea to rejuvenate that franchise.

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Originally Posted by Martoto

So you agree that the direct continuity status of Alien 3 is negotiable. Well done. Thank you.

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Originally Posted by JediJones77

No.

Joey9775 · 09-08-2021, 06:58 PM

I can still remember the brutal disappointment I felt as a kid, knowing nothing about Alien 3, Aliens one of my favorite movies, and getting kicked square in the nuts by the opening 5 minutes. I'll never be team Alien 3.

Guy87 · 09-08-2021, 10:30 PM

I love Alien 3. It chose nihilism right out of the gate and stuck with it through to the end. To me inevitable death is absolute horror.

It is also absolutely the sequel to Aliens, anyone putting stock in movie title continuity as a sole basis for whether something is a sequel or not is really reaching, and has clearly never seen the Fast & Furiouseseses or any of the Rambos.

GB: Afterlife is obviously both a sequel, and a soft reboot/relaunch of the franchise. Let's hope it succeeds at both.

JediJones77 · 09-08-2021, 11:04 PM

A soft reboot is what Star Trek or X-Men: First Class did. This isn't it. You need to distance yourself a lot more from existing continuity to be considered a soft reboot, by ignoring it, retconning it or pushing it into another timeline. Simply being a sequel that takes place years later doesn't make you a soft reboot.

BluBonnet · 09-08-2021, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Joey9775

I can still remember the brutal disappointment I felt as a kid, knowing nothing about Alien 3, Aliens one of my favorite movies, and getting kicked square in the nuts by the opening 5 minutes. I'll never be team Alien 3.

Even without that beginning, it is still a pretty sordid movie and unworthy of the legacy of its title.

Martoto · 09-09-2021, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Guy87

It is also absolutely the sequel to Aliens, anyone putting stock in movie title continuity as a sole basis for whether something is a sequel or not .

Nobody is doing that.

The producers of Alien 3 have said that after Aliens, there was a desire to return to the original and what made the original a success. Whenever a studio says that it basically means that they wished to reboot the franchise and enjoy the first flush of success with a fresh audience and also entice the fans to come back. In reality Alien 3 winds up kind of being its own thing but trying to emulate parts of the original movie. Aliens is virtually irrelevant in Alien 3. Newt is used purely to illustrate Ripley's dread. And Bishop gets rebooted, literally, to spout exposition for a few seconds in order to revamp a scene from Alien.

Halloween IV is a soft reboot too.

Guy87 · 09-09-2021, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by JediJones77

A soft reboot is what Star Trek or X-Men: First Class did. This isn't it. You need to distance yourself a lot more from existing continuity to be considered a soft reboot, by ignoring it, retconning it or pushing it into another timeline.

That would be a hard reboot...or just 'a reboot'.

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Originally Posted by Martoto

The producers of Alien 3 have said that after Aliens, there was a desire to return to the original and what made the original a success. Whenever a studio says that it basically means that they wished to reboot the franchise and enjoy the first flush of success with a fresh audience and also entice the fans to come back. In reality Alien 3 winds up kind of being its own thing but trying to emulate parts of the original movie. Aliens is virtually irrelevant in Alien 3. Newt is used purely to illustrate Ripley's dread. And Bishop gets rebooted, literally, to spout exposition for a few seconds in order to revamp a scene from Alien.

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Originally Posted by Martoto

A true sequel is what the main characters did next.

Martoto · 09-09-2021, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Guy87

That would be a hard reboot...or just 'a reboot'.

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I never said Alien 3 wasn't a true sequel also. I pointed out that it has qualities and intent (including the soft rebooting of the "original") that some fans regard as a bargaining chip for negotiating it being replaced in the continuity.

I mentioned Halloween IV. It's a true sequel because it's what Michael did next. It's also a soft reboot because of the desire to "go back" to the original. And it got unsequeled by H20 ten years later.

JediJones77 · 09-09-2021, 07:19 PM

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That would be a hard reboot...or just 'a reboot'.

No, those are soft reboots. A reboot cannot acknowledge the continuity of any previous movies at all.

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09-08-2021, 09:04 AM	#3002
JediJones77 Banned Member since:Mar 2010 Location:East PA Trading Score:4	It's just modern naming convention. We had a Predator 2 around when GB2 came out, but none of the other Predator movies have been called Predator 3. Likewise after Alien 3, the next Alien movie wasn't Alien 4. We never had Die Hard 3, 4 or 5.

09-08-2021, 09:24 AM	#3003
Martoto Blu-ray Duke Member since:Mar 2014 Location:Glasgow Blu-ray reviews: 7	Seems to me that in all those cases the studios and the film makers were alluding to a departure from strict continuity. And "More Aliens" didn't sound like a good title to follow Aliens with. Ditto "Even More Aliens"

09-08-2021, 10:36 AM	#3004
JediJones77 Banned Member since:Mar 2010 Location:East PA Trading Score:4	Nope, the Alien and Die Hard series certainly followed on from the previous movies' continuity.

09-08-2021, 01:09 PM	#3005
Martoto Blu-ray Duke Member since:Mar 2014 Location:Glasgow Blu-ray reviews: 7	That must be why die hard Aliens fans have (stupidly) lobbied for a "direct sequel" to be made to that movie featuring Hicks and Newt who were clearly set up as continuing characters. Retconning Alien cubed to an alternate timeline. Alien Ressurection might as well be a sequel to the first Alien.

09-08-2021, 01:25 PM	#3006
JediJones77 Banned Member since:Mar 2010 Location:East PA Trading Score:4	No, that's not why. And a new sequel to Aliens to retcon 3 and 4 is not a stupid idea, it's a brilliant idea to rejuvenate that franchise.

09-08-2021, 04:22 PM	#3011
Himmel Banned Member since:Jul 2012 Location:Northeast Corridor 4K collection:46 Blu-ray collection:301	Ghostbusters Afterlife panel coming to New York Comic Con 2021. π

09-08-2021, 06:58 PM	#3013
Joey9775 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jan 2017 Blu-ray collection:9 Trading Score:80	I can still remember the brutal disappointment I felt as a kid, knowing nothing about Alien 3, Aliens one of my favorite movies, and getting kicked square in the nuts by the opening 5 minutes. I'll never be team Alien 3.

09-08-2021, 10:30 PM	#3014
Guy87 Blu-ray Guru Member since:Apr 2020 Location:UK 4K collection:25 Blu-ray collection:1320 DVD collection:272	I love Alien 3. It chose nihilism right out of the gate and stuck with it through to the end. To me inevitable death is absolute horror. It is also absolutely the sequel to Aliens, anyone putting stock in movie title continuity as a sole basis for whether something is a sequel or not is really reaching, and has clearly never seen the Fast & Furiouseseses or any of the Rambos. GB: Afterlife is obviously both a sequel, and a soft reboot/relaunch of the franchise. Let's hope it succeeds at both.

09-08-2021, 11:04 PM	#3015
JediJones77 Banned Member since:Mar 2010 Location:East PA Trading Score:4	A soft reboot is what Star Trek or X-Men: First Class did. This isn't it. You need to distance yourself a lot more from existing continuity to be considered a soft reboot, by ignoring it, retconning it or pushing it into another timeline. Simply being a sequel that takes place years later doesn't make you a soft reboot.

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