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starmike · 03-14-2023, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Ruined

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=3034

Circling back to your questionable statement about QC when the 5.1 track was already QC'd in 2018 (which I mentioned).

Fact is, you don't have an answer. There's no reason in 2023 why multiple audio tracks can't exist on the same disc. There are thousands of examples of this.

Ruined · 03-14-2023, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by starmike

Circling back to your questionable statement about QC when the 5.1 track was already QC'd in 2018 (which I mentioned).

Fact is, you don't have an answer. There's no reason in 2023 why multiple audio tracks can't exist on the same disc. There are thousands of examples of this.

That's not how QC works. One of the top 3 distributors is not just going to throw a sound file from 2018 onto a newly authored disc and just hope for the best. Everything gets QC'd, and the more complex the disc is the more money/time it costs to QC. The fact is, the 4K buying general public don't actually care about the DD5.1 mix, they care about Atmos and the small segment that wants the theatrical mix or for those whose hardware can't handle multichannel audio, the 2.0 mix is on the disc for those people. You asked "why did Warner do this." This is why. The 5.1 mix to Warner, was likely the least important of the three; they consider it inferior to the Atmos mix in terms of quality and marketability, and likely also inferior to the 2.0 mix for backwards compatibility purposes. Therefore if you were working on the disc and Warner's instructions were to use a maximum of two soundtracks given those priorities, Atmos and 2.0 would make the most sense.

starmike · 03-14-2023, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Ruined

That's not how QC works. One of the top 3 distributors is not just going to throw a sound file from 2018 onto a newly authored disc and just hope for the best. Everything gets QC'd, and the more complex the disc is the more money/time it costs to QC. The fact is, the 4K buying general public don't actually care about the DD5.1 mix, they care about Atmos and the small segment that wants the theatrical mix or for those whose hardware can't handle multichannel audio, the 2.0 mix is on the disc for those people. You asked "why did Warner do this." This is why. The 5.1 mix to Warner, was likely the least important of the three; they consider it inferior to the Atmos mix in terms of quality and marketability, and likely also inferior to the 2.0 mix for backwards compatibility purposes. Therefore if you were working on the disc and Warner's instructions were to use a maximum of two soundtracks given those priorities, Atmos and 2.0 would make the most sense.

...so then why not just author the disc in 2.0 back in 2018?

Again, you have some weird word salad answer without thinking in through. ANY modern receiver will fold 5.1 down to 2.0, so there's no need for a specific 2.0 track. If there was a need....(what do you think I'm going to say?)....they would have authored it in 2018!

So...again...there's no reason why WB would put out a 2.0 track in favor of a 5.1 track when there have been no complaints.

Ruined · 03-14-2023, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by starmike

...so then why not just author the disc in 2.0 back in 2018?

Again, you have some weird word salad answer without thinking in through. ANY modern receiver will fold 5.1 down to 2.0, so there's no need for a specific 2.0 track. If there was a need....(what do you think I'm going to say?)....they would have authored it in 2018!

So...again...there's no reason why WB would put out a 2.0 track in favor of a 5.1 track when there have been no complaints.

I already addressed this as well. I am not going to keep repeating myself. I gave you the most logical reasons for WB's decisions. You may not like them, but they do make sense.

starmike · 03-14-2023, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Ruined

I already addressed this as well. I am not going to keep repeating myself. I gave you the most logical reasons for WB's decisions. You may not like them, but they do make sense.

To YOU, maybe, but judging from what you wrote, none of it makes sense.

Tell me one other time when a company went out of their way to modify their movie's contents in favor of a lesser value, and keep the same UPC.

Bolty · 03-14-2023, 01:42 AM

Beating a dead horse... bringing up/asking something that has been discussed a thousand times before

"I never thought this would go the distance." -- Lex Luthor - Superman II

Jay Mammoth · 03-14-2023, 01:51 AM

This thread needs an enema.

Oh and original theatrical audio>>>>atmos, and I have an awesome atmos setup.

ij72 · 03-14-2023, 01:58 AM

Did the thread title just change or have I been oblivious to it (both equally likely)?

dlbsyst · 03-14-2023, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Bolty

"I never thought this would go the distance." -- Lex Luthor - Superman II

I have to admit the back and forth between starmike and Ruined is entertaining to read at least.

Ruined · 03-14-2023, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Jay Mammoth

This thread needs an enema.

Oh and original theatrical audio>>>>atmos, and I have an awesome atmos setup.

I have no problem with preferring the OG theatrical audio, was just explaining WB's decision process from an authoring perspective.

As a side note, most of the pro reviews either gave the Atmos on Superman 4K an outright clear win over the 5.1 (e.g. AVSFORUM, High Def Digest, Blu-ray.com) or called it a tie based on preference (e.g. Digital Bits). There is definitely no consensus from the pro sites that the 5.1 is better, if anything the consensus of the pro reviewers is that Atmos is the better track. I'm not saying that has to be anyone else's preference, but it is something to consider.

Croweyes1121 · 03-14-2023, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Ruined

I have no problem with preferring the OG theatrical audio, was just explaining WB's decision process from an authoring perspective.

As a side note, most of the pro reviews either gave the Atmos on Superman 4K an outright clear win over the 5.1 (e.g. AVSFORUM, High Def Digest, Blu-ray.com) or called it a tie based on preference (e.g. Digital Bits). There is definitely no consensus from the pro sites that the 5.1 is better, if anything the consensus of the pro reviewers is that Atmos is the better track. I'm not saying that has to be anyone else's preference, but it is something to consider.

People like blood sausage, too. People are morons.

batman2000 · 03-14-2023, 02:13 AM

What’s with the thread name change?

dallywhitty · 03-14-2023, 02:25 AM

The new thread title is amazing but like, why did I get banned for previously mocking starmike? Guess I was ahead of my time.

dlbsyst · 03-14-2023, 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by batman2000

What’s with the thread name change?

Jay Mammoth · 03-14-2023, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by batman2000

What’s with the thread name change?

Read the last several pages of the thread.

Dr. T · 03-14-2023, 02:31 AM

Sony: "Let's reissue Air Force One in a steelbook and add Dolby Vision and fix the subtitles."

Warners: "Let's reissue Superman in a steelbook and remove the Dolby 5.1 audio and not fix the opening titles."

Uptight · 03-14-2023, 02:34 AM

The Bits

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Sadly, we have some discouraging news to report today as well: It’s starting to appear as if Warner’s new Superman: 5-Film Collection is going to include Superman: The Movie without the rumored new video restoration, which was first reported to have been done by Jim Bowers of Caped Wonder. And while it appears that the new disc retains the previous (and ill-favored) Dolby Atmos mix—and does add Dolby Vision HDR (the original 2018 4K had HDR10 only)—it’s looking like the 5.1 Dolby Digital mix presenting the original theatrical 6-track 70 mm audio (and which is much loved by fans) has been dropped—either by error or by choice—in favor of the same 2.0 original theatrical mix that was available previously on Blu-ray.
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WB "forgot" to include the original tracks for all Batman movies, too, I don't know why some here feign surprise at what they do.

This company is atrocious, they have been doing these things for decades, enough with their revisionism and half-assed restorations...

brysenji · 03-14-2023, 02:43 AM

Honestly it's breathtaking how messy this is.

SpazeBlue · 03-14-2023, 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. T

The 5.1 track for Superman II has been on home video since the 2006 DVD release and is presumably the 70mm six track mix.

Don't the laserdiscs also use the six-track mix?

Dr. T · 03-14-2023, 03:00 AM

When I look at The Bits now I don't see Dolby Vision mentioned, so it must have been corrected.

"Sadly, we have some discouraging news to report today as well: It’s starting to appear as if Warner’s new Superman: 5-Film Collection is going to include Superman: The Movie without the rumored new video restoration, which was first reported to have been done by Jim Bowers of Caped Wonder. And while it appears that the new disc retains the previous (and ill-favored) Dolby Atmos mix, it’s looking like the 5.1 Dolby Digital mix presenting the original theatrical 6-track 70 mm audio (and which is much loved by fans) has been dropped—either by error or by choice—in favor of the same 2.0 original theatrical mix that was available previously on Blu-ray."

He'd already reported that it was the 2018 picture transfer after getting a comment from WB.

03-14-2023, 01:42 AM	#3006
Bolty Blu-ray Knight Member since:Jan 2009 Location:Lake Worth Be...ah, no, Fl 4K collection:76 Blu-ray collection:100 Digital collection:93 Trading Score:82	"I never thought this would go the distance." -- Lex Luthor - Superman II

03-14-2023, 01:51 AM	#3007
Jay Mammoth Blu-ray Champion Member since:Mar 2011 Location:Buffalo NY Home Theater Gallery:5 4K collection:583 Blu-ray collection:1607 DVD collection:63 iTunes collection:14 Prime collection:1 Trading Score:24	This thread needs an enema. Oh and original theatrical audio>>>>atmos, and I have an awesome atmos setup.

03-14-2023, 01:58 AM	#3008
ij72 Expert Member Member since:Aug 2014 Location:WI, USA Trading Score:19	Did the thread title *just* change or have I been oblivious to it (both equally likely)?

03-14-2023, 02:13 AM	#3012
batman2000 Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Oct 2006 Blu-ray reviews:1	What’s with the thread name change?

03-14-2023, 02:25 AM	#3013
dallywhitty Blu-ray Grand Duke Top contributor Member since:Aug 2009 Location:Temple of Isis 4K collection:319 Blu-ray collection:1679 DVD collection:178	The new thread title is amazing but like, why did I get banned for previously mocking starmike? Guess I was ahead of my time.

03-14-2023, 02:31 AM	#3016
Dr. T Special Member Member since:Jun 2022 4K collection:198 Blu-ray collection:818 MA collection:20 Digital collection:52 iTunes collection:667 Trading Score:1	Sony: "Let's reissue Air Force One in a steelbook and add Dolby Vision and fix the subtitles." Warners: "Let's reissue Superman in a steelbook and remove the Dolby 5.1 audio and not fix the opening titles."

03-14-2023, 02:34 AM	#3017
Uptight Active Member Member since:Oct 2020 Location:@supergirlmaid (IG)	The Bits ********************** Sadly, we have some discouraging news to report today as well: It’s starting to appear as if Warner’s new Superman: 5-Film Collection is going to include Superman: The Movie without the rumored new video restoration, which was first reported to have been done by Jim Bowers of Caped Wonder. And while it appears that the new disc retains the previous (and ill-favored) Dolby Atmos mix—and does add Dolby Vision HDR (the original 2018 4K had HDR10 only)—it’s looking like the 5.1 Dolby Digital mix presenting the original theatrical 6-track 70 mm audio (and which is much loved by fans) has been dropped—either by error or by choice—in favor of the same 2.0 original theatrical mix that was available previously on Blu-ray. ********************** WB "forgot" to include the original tracks for all Batman movies, too, I don't know why some here feign surprise at what they do. This company is atrocious, they have been doing these things for decades, enough with their revisionism and half-assed restorations...

03-14-2023, 02:43 AM	#3018
brysenji Member Member since:Jun 2021 Location:Los Angeles	Honestly it's breathtaking how messy this is.

03-14-2023, 03:00 AM	#3020
Dr. T Special Member Member since:Jun 2022 4K collection:198 Blu-ray collection:818 MA collection:20 Digital collection:52 iTunes collection:667 Trading Score:1	When I look at The Bits now I don't see Dolby Vision mentioned, so it must have been corrected. "Sadly, we have some discouraging news to report today as well: It’s starting to appear as if Warner’s new Superman: 5-Film Collection is going to include Superman: The Movie without the rumored new video restoration, which was first reported to have been done by Jim Bowers of Caped Wonder. And while it appears that the new disc retains the previous (and ill-favored) Dolby Atmos mix, it’s looking like the 5.1 Dolby Digital mix presenting the original theatrical 6-track 70 mm audio (and which is much loved by fans) has been dropped—either by error or by choice—in favor of the same 2.0 original theatrical mix that was available previously on Blu-ray." He'd already reported that it was the 2018 picture transfer after getting a comment from WB.

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