Fantastic Four (2015)

[trans8010]

Originally Posted by Det. Bullock

From what I remember Doom was an entitled little shit who tampered with a joint experiment with Reed without telling him and then blamed Reed when it blew up in his face, the detailed backstory came in later.

And even then he remains an entitled little shit, see the spectacular dressing down Sue gives him in 1234.

Having said that, the antisocial hacker is a rumor that came packed in with the thoroughly dismissed "Sue Storm party girl" rumor, the fact that people still believe in it is only a simptom of hate just for the sake of it.

1. The detailed backstory no matter how long it took to be told is still recognized as Marvel canon and still matters, so exactly what was your point?

2. So what if he feels he's an entitled lil shit, if he's got the thirst for power and uses that power to gain what he feels is rightfully his, that's better than the Lex Luthor wannabe that the two film series seem to want to portray him as. It's what makes Doom, Doom.

3. Did anyone say Sue was a party girl? Frankly that would make sense given her origins as a model, but whatever.

[Det. Bullock]

Originally Posted by trans8010

3. Did anyone say Sue was a party girl? Frankly that would make sense given her origins as a model, but whatever.

Yes, there was a rumor that came out last November, I remember it because I hated that instantly.
A party girl sticking around a research group doesn't make much sense, I always preferred her Ultimate backstory.

Originally Posted by Elandyll

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Many doubt that the actor would let slip something like that so casually, so I've seen my fair share of people who think he was actually trolling.

But so far, that's that.

He’s Victor Domashev, not Victor Von Doom in our story. And I’m sure I’ll be sent to jail for telling you that. The Doom in ours—I’m a programmer. Very anti-social programmer. And on blogging sites I’m “Doom”.

He said he is a programmer, I studied physics for a while and in many laboratories they need to keep one or more programmers because many instruments are computer dependant and their routines have to be programmed manually (usually in fortran, but then again that university I attended wasn't that good) and that he keeps a blog on the side with the nickname "doom", this thing about him being a basement dwelling blogger is just blowing things out of proportion.
Him being a programmer fits with him working with the physicist Reed Richards while getting disfigured like in the originale comics.

Originally Posted by DisneyBlu

If it's true that Doom has technopathy as his powers in this film, I think it's a bit of a missed opportunity to not have gone with the sorcerer Doom from the comics.

I know, I know - Trank and co. wanted to go "realistic and gritty," and it's been Nolanized, where you still have a big rock guy and a guy who can turn himself into flames, but more "grounded"... but it's an interesting dynamic to have science versus magic.

Reed takes the scientific approach. Doom takes the magical approach. So then it's Doom confronting Reed with an area that he doesn't comprehend.

Oh, well. While he won't be the magic-wielding, power mad dictator from the comics, I hope they at least maintain Doom's ruthlessness.

This is the guy who fell in love with a woman, Valeria, who loved him back... and then traded that woman to a pack of demons in exchange for mystical power. This is the guy who sent Franklin Richards to Hell.

He needs to be a bad mf'er. A programmer who is just known as "Doom" on the internet won't come close to the Doom of the comics who has literally threatened all of existence, but I just hope they make him a nasty, vain, vengeful piece of crap with an air of unfounded nobility, at least.

He became a dictator only after getting disfigured if I recall correctly.

They did away with the magic because they probably thought it would be hard to fit it properly in a universe without a Thor or a Doctor Strange.

I don't think he was that much of a badass before the incident if he had to work in a research center with another scientist instead of, you know, conquering Latveria immediately and financing his own stuff.

[trans8010]

Originally Posted by Det. Bullock

Yes, there was a rumor that came out last November, I remember it because I hated that instantly.
A party girl sticking around a research group doesn't make much sense, I always preferred her Ultimate backstory.

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Believe it or not, I happen to know a science major specializing in research who just happens to be a party girl on the side. So it doesnt bother me nor does it make any less realistic. It's how she's portrayed inside the lab that counts. Simply saying that a researcher cannot have fun on the side because it's not fitting for a scientist is another one of those stereotypes that needs to die.


They did away with magic because in this grounded and gritty portrayal, magic simply cannot exist, either that or the writers have limited imaginations and simply refuse to work it in. I for one thinks it adds and interesting dynamic and makes Doom a far more interesting character.

[DisneyBlu]

Originally Posted by Det. Bullock

He became a dictator only after getting disfigured if I recall correctly.

They did away with the magic because they probably thought it would be hard to fit it properly in a universe without a Thor or a Doctor Strange.

I don't think he was that much of a badass before the incident if he had to work in a research center with another scientist instead of, you know, conquering Latveria immediately and financing his own stuff.

Yeah, he became dictator after he was already disfigured, but he had also already cold-heartedly traded the woman he loved to demons in exchange for power. He did that when he was just a young man.

He had his accident when he was in college with Reed and Ben. It was a retcon, but he was working on this machine that would let him rescue his mother's soul from Hell. That's how he ended up disfigured. Then he went to travel the world and made his way back home to Latveria, overthrew the ruler, and became the Dr. Doom we all know and love.

Selling your lover's soul to demons in exchange for power qualifies someone as already being bad before they've had their "origin" of becoming disfigured.

[Det. Bullock]

Originally Posted by DisneyBlu

Yeah, he became dictator after he was already disfigured, but he had also already cold-heartedly traded the woman he loved to demons in exchange for power. He did that when he was just a young man.

He had his accident when he was in college with Reed and Ben. It was a retcon, but he was working on this machine that would let him rescue his mother's soul from Hell. That's how he ended up disfigured. Then he went to travel the world and made his way back home to Latveria, overthrew the ruler, and became the Dr. Doom we all know and love.

Selling your lover's soul to demons in exchange for power qualifies someone as already being bad before they've had their "origin" of becoming disfigured.

I said "badass", not "bad" in the moral sense, one can be having a regular job and be evil even without doing supervillain stuff.

Originally Posted by trans8010

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Believe it or not, I happen to know a science major specializing in research who just happens to be a party girl on the side. So it doesnt bother me nor does it make any less realistic. It's how she's portrayed inside the lab that counts. Simply saying that a researcher cannot have fun on the side because it's not fitting for a scientist is another one of those stereotypes that needs to die..

In the rumor they didn't mention that she was a biologist at all, just that she was a party girl, I guess that either the rumor was made up or that they omitted that part to make it sound like a return of Jessica Alba-Sue and send fans in a rage.

Originally Posted by trans8010

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They did away with magic because in this grounded and gritty portrayal, magic simply cannot exist, either that or the writers have limited imaginations and simply refuse to work it in. I for one thinks it adds and interesting dynamic and makes Doom a far more interesting character.

Grittiness has nothing to do with it, magic and sci-fi outside of the comics rarely mix, apart from the MCU the only other major succesful example is Star Wars, and both of them made abundant use of the "maybe magic maybe superscience" trope, though things may change with Doctor Strange.

[toddly6666]

Originally Posted by trans8010

Persecution, betrayal and death is what turns Victor von Doom into Dr. Doom. His family was wiped out because of not just sorcery but because of their religious beliefs. He swore revenge and implemented his families beliefs with that of hard science to gain that, becoming not just a tyrant but the most sinister and unpredictable villain the Marvel Universe has ever known. To ignore that is a huge slap in the face of the fans. His origin is one of the most important aspects of the character. Simply saying it's nothing more than a footnote and unimportant says to me you have no respect or knowledge of the character or just forsaking that just because you hope as long as he isnt a metal man that's enough for you.


Chronicle was one of the most overrated films I've seen, because of Andrew. He's the outcast so that automatically demands he become the villain and they give him an alcoholic father who abuses him and a dying mother to strengthen this weak character. They come from poor surroundings, yet he has state of the art video equipment? How can they afford that, with the cancer bills and the massive funds spent on beer and liquor? It stretches realism to the breaking points. Most of all, I have really come to hate films that make villains out of the outcast from the broken home as if that's the only credentials of movie super villains or serial killers. It's become a stereotype that needs to die. It would have been a much more interesting film if the well adjusted Steve or Matt found himself corrupted with the great power.

"He had his accident when he was in college with Reed and Ben. It was a retcon, but he was working on this machine that would let him rescue his mother's soul from Hell. That's how he ended up disfigured. Then he went to travel the world and made his way back home to Latveria, overthrew the ruler, and became the Dr. Doom we all know and love."

Trans,
The basic summary of Doctor Doom's origins as clearly shown by DisneyBlu can be shown in a first movie. In a "first" movie, they probably won't delve deep into his past until later. Magneto wasn't too developed in the first X-men movie - a quick little flashback of nazis taking away his parents. All the nazi stuff from the past about his "origins" came later, not in the Singer's first X-men movie. The accident in college with Reed and Ben doesn't scream dictator. So even if the rumor is true about being a blogger in his spare time at college, it's not actually a big deal because when one is in college, that's what people do - they blog.

Whether you like Chronicle or not, Trank's style of filmmaking was unique - giving the impression to audiences that all the superpowers shown in the movie felt real rather than just another cgi special effects scene as the ones in the Avengers films or X-Men films: when we see Hulkbuster Iron Man fight Hulk, it looks cool but it doesn't look like a huge real mech suit fighting a green monster - it looks like a nicely animated mecha suit fighting a nicely animated Hulk. In Days of Future Past, when Mystique transforms from Asian military man to blue girl and slides under the table is a cool scene but there is nothing realistic the way she transforms, kicks a bunch of dudes and slides under the table as if there is an invisible slip and slide under the table. Cool visual scene but nothing real about it. Jeff Goldblum gradual transformation into monster = impression of feeling real. Goon's skin melting off his face in Robocop = impression of feeling real. South African dude gradually transforming into alien in District 9 = impression of feeling real. Characters playing with their new superpowers in Chronicle = impression of feeling real. So Trank can do unique tricks as a filmmaker. Coupled with a great cast, good screenwriters and Philip Glass is an exciting aspect to consider, rather than be focused on rumors or actors being vague or trolling the media.

[trans8010]

Originally Posted by toddly6666

"He had his accident when he was in college with Reed and Ben. It was a retcon, but he was working on this machine that would let him rescue his mother's soul from Hell. That's how he ended up disfigured. Then he went to travel the world and made his way back home to Latveria, overthrew the ruler, and became the Dr. Doom we all know and love."

Trans,
The basic summary of Doctor Doom's origins as clearly shown by DisneyBlu can be shown in a first movie. In a "first" movie, they probably won't delve deep into his past until later. Magneto wasn't too developed in the first X-men movie - a quick little flashback of nazis taking away his parents. All the nazi stuff from the past about his "origins" came later, not in the Singer's first X-men movie. The accident in college with Reed and Ben doesn't scream dictator. So even if the rumor is true about being a blogger in his spare time at college, it's not actually a big deal because when one is in college, that's what people do - they blog.

Whether you like Chronicle or not, Trank's style of filmmaking was unique - giving the impression to audiences that all the superpowers shown in the movie felt real rather than just another cgi special effects scene as the ones in the Avengers films or X-Men films: when we see Hulkbuster Iron Man fight Hulk, it looks cool but it doesn't look like a huge real mech suit fighting a green monster - it looks like a nicely animated mecha suit fighting a nicely animated Hulk. In Days of Future Past, when Mystique transforms from Asian military man to blue girl and slides under the table is a cool scene but there is nothing realistic the way she transforms, kicks a bunch of dudes and slides under the table as if there is an invisible slip and slide under the table. Cool visual scene but nothing real about it. Jeff Goldblum gradual transformation into monster = impression of feeling real. Goon's skin melting off his face in Robocop = impression of feeling real. South African dude gradually transforming into alien in District 9 = impression of feeling real. Characters playing with their new superpowers in Chronicle = impression of feeling real. So Trank can do unique tricks as a filmmaker. Coupled with a great cast, good screenwriters and Philip Glass is an exciting aspect to consider, rather than be focused on rumors or actors being vague or trolling the media.

I gave a very condensed version of Doom's origin without being overly explicit in some of the very finer details, but what I said is still true. He's a child of violence and genocide, much in the same way Magneto was but instead of taking his vengeance out on the entire race he specifically used one person and over threw him. Everything else said was somewhat told in the previous movies, so seeing that again wouldn't be new. This however would and that was my point.

I said Chronicle was overrated from a storytelling perspective not the visual effects which I will say were impressive. I still stand by my opinion, the film was focused more on delivering a visual spectacle instead of giving us a better story. Andrew was a character I felt needed improving, or omitting as his social background because the whole outcast from poor surroundings becoming an evil force with or without superpowers has been done to death.

[Blu-Benny]

Originally Posted by Hellraiserfan

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@ the crap photshop on the human torch!!

holy crap is that bad!!

[toddly6666]

Originally Posted by trans8010

I gave a very condensed version of Doom's origin without being overly explicit in some of the very finer details, but what I said is still true. He's a child of violence and genocide, much in the same way Magneto was but instead of taking his vengeance out on the entire race he specifically used one person and over threw him. Everything else said was somewhat told in the previous movies, so seeing that again wouldn't be new. This however would and that was my point.

I said Chronicle was overrated from a storytelling perspective not the visual effects which I will say were impressive. I still stand by my opinion, the film was focused more on delivering a visual spectacle instead of giving us a better story. Andrew was a character I felt needed improving, or omitting as his social background because the whole outcast from poor surroundings becoming an evil force with or without superpowers has been done to death.

I agree with you that it sure would be awesome if they gave as much respect to Doctor Doom as possible, but like most super villains in these superhero movies, they tend to be put on the side with the protagonists getting the most focus. We have been very lucky at least with Magneto and Loki - the few super villains that have been developed on screen. The love for movie super villains such as Ledger's Joker and Hackman's Lex Luthor are based around performance - not development. Ledger's Joker is one of the greatest movie super villains ever but he's still a two-dimensional cartoon. He hints at getting abused and he has some great dialogue but we really know nothing about him. Everyone loves Hackman's Luthor for maybe nostalgia factors and because Hackman is just bad-ass? In the three movies he appeared where he could have been developed like Loki, he's nothing but a two-dimensional cartoon. Many fans that claim to be Superman fans say that Hackman's Luthor was the best representation of him? No way - how can he be so based on the dialogue and lack of back story he received in those three Superman movies? Still entertaining but not developed.

So as long as Kibbel gives his full to whatever dialogue or little back story they give him, he may still turn out to be an awesome movie super villain.

My biggest fear is that Marvel is going to screw Thanos over - giving him little screentime and just giving him that cliched "why I want to destroy the universe" speech in just one short scene. Thanos has a great back story and interesting personality just from two comic books - Rebirth of Thanos and The Infinity Gauntlet. They are probably going to just turn him into Return of the Jedi's Emperor. I hope im wrong though.

[Chaotic]

International trailer

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[JeffTheMovieGuy]

I hope Fox loses the rights to the Four soon and none of this "lets make a shit movie in order to retain the rights" bs.

[doctorD]

I like the additions from the short clips previously released, but not much new if any shown. Looking forward to the movie.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by JeffTheMovieGuy

I hope Fox loses the rights to the Four soon and none of this "lets make a shit movie in order to retain the rights" bs.

I am pretty sure they did not set out to make a bad film, it's a shame you didn't enjoy watching it tho

[Det. Bullock]

I notice only now that's in decent quality:
Johnny flies around the asteroid while Sue smashes through it like a boss, OP Sue for the win!

[AmrlKJaneway]

Nothing is gonna make this film not look shit now, is it?

[pikeman1]

First official look at The Thing

[Foggy]

The Thing looks so awful that I'm certain this film has caused third world poverty.

[mwynn]

Thing Ring Do Your Thing - YouTube

[Chaotic]

Originally Posted by pikeman1

First official look at The Thing

Dear god...............

[levcore]

Does that look good from a fan perspective? From a non fan it looks fine but what do I know?