8K discussion thread

[Pagey123]

Originally Posted by Cortiz

In other news, i'm thinking about buying me an unicorn. Anyone knows any top breeder?

Rick Deckard?

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

over her (Canada) no talk of 4K OTA, BDUs (sat, cable, fiber TV) have had 4k for a bit but it is limited to streaming and some sports events (i.e. no real broadcast type TV). Streaming has some supposed 4k that dies not beat
HD on physical media (IMHO) and the streaming providers instead of trying to improve what their AV is like are trying to cut costs and offer cheaper options (not criticizing, that is what their customers want).

I think physical media is the only hope one day we will get 8k that matters.

The odds of an 8K disc format are slim to none...and slim's out of town.

[R3P0]

We barely get broadcasts in 4K what makes anyone think that 8K is coming anytime soon. Lets be real TV broadcasters are not going to change anything. Most well have is Netflix leading the way with 8K movies but it will be so compressed it will suck.

[apollo828]

Originally Posted by R3P0

We barely get broadcasts in 4K what makes anyone think that 8K is coming anytime soon.

I think a fair number of people in this thread are just enthusiasts who are excited by new tech. There's nothing inherently wrong with that. Of course, you also get people who make wild assumptions and who say ridiculous things. It is what it is.

As is, 8K is basically a lab experiment. 4K is already horrifically abused by all manner of people. The house where I'm staying at the moment has "4K" TVs that are cheap as can be and look horrible, no matter what I try to do to fix the image. People take 320x240 clips from 25 years ago and run them through Topaz's software, bragging about "4K remastering" that's really creepy when you see the end result. (At least with materials that start at 2K, it usually looks fine and is proper HD.) Other than hardcore tech enthusiasts and very specialized applications, nobody has even the slightest use for 8K at the moment, and may never have any use depending on various factors.

(Personally, if we're dead set on some new disc standard and top-to-bottom hardware refresh, I'd rather see the 4K spec updated to support 3D and some more high frame rates. 8K is straight-up overkill for 99.9% of the films that have ever been shot.)

[I DO BLU]

According to the scale of global annual shipments of about 200 million units, 8K TVs only have a scale of 300,000 units, and the market share is only 0.15%. More importantly, 8K TVs have been developed for 7-8 years now, not only has the sales volume not improved at all, but this year may face a "reduction" of over 20% for the first time. It can be said that the current situation of 8K TV is a bit like "a little bit of flameout before it really starts". Such a situation will inevitably make the brands that "bet" on 8K TV a bit "chilling".

Yes 8k is surging in sales

[R3P0]

Originally Posted by apollo828

I think a fair number of people in this thread are just enthusiasts who are excited by new tech. There's nothing inherently wrong with that. Of course, you also get people who make wild assumptions and who say ridiculous things. It is what it is.

As is, 8K is basically a lab experiment. 4K is already horrifically abused by all manner of people. The house where I'm staying at the moment has "4K" TVs that are cheap as can be and look horrible, no matter what I try to do to fix the image. People take 320x240 clips from 25 years ago and run them through Topaz's software, bragging about "4K remastering" that's really creepy when you see the end result. (At least with 2K, it usually looks fine and is proper HD.) Other than hardcore tech enthusiasts and very specialized applications, nobody has even the slightest use for 8K at the moment, and may never have any use depending on various factors.

(Personally, if we're dead set on some new disc standard and top-to-bottom hardware refresh, I'd rather see the 4K spec updated to support 3D and some more high frame rates. 8K is straight-up overkill for 99.9% of the films that have ever been shot.)

And I agree with you especially considering 4K isnt really 4K its missing like 600x600 pixels or something. My point is a simple one. Until major events are all broadcast in 4K aside from the world series and some 1 off college football games, 4K is not even a thing unless you dropped $$$ on a good player and have the movies.

Lets start with make 4K truly 4K then we can go from there before talking about 8k.

Broadcast major events NCAA Finals/Final 4, CFB National championship and all January 1 bowl games/playoff games. NFL Superbowl and Many games leading upto it. NHL finals, and NBA finals. These all need to be 4K.

[Auditor55]

Originally Posted by R3P0

And I agree with you especially considering 4K isnt really 4K its missing like 600x600 pixels or something. My point is a simple one. Until major events are all broadcast in 4K aside from the world series and some 1 off college football games, 4K is not even a thing unless you dropped $$$ on a good player and have the movies.

Lets start with make 4K truly 4K then we can go from there before talking about 8k.

Broadcast major events NCAA Finals/Final 4, CFB National championship and all January 1 bowl games/playoff games. NFL Superbowl and Many games leading upto it. NHL finals, and NBA finals. These all need to be 4K.

4K is not even a thing without HDR. 4K is a marketing thing. I wish we start using UHD instead of 4K in our discussions.

[mrtickleuk]

Originally Posted by Auditor55

4K is not even a thing without HDR.

The main UK satellite provider Sky had UHD SDR for many years with no HDR in sight, not even on a roadmap, all the while Netflix et al were all offering the huge benefits of HDR. Sky dragged their feet like crazy and only offered HDR recently and reluctantly. Even now they can't explain it properly to customers and their marketing pandered to the "resolution is the thing" crowd.

The BBC meanwhile developed HLG streams on their iPlayer streaming service, and have said they will never ever actually broadcast HLG, only ever stream it. Those programmes are labelled "UHD", with HLG thrown in as a bonus, the umbrella term "HDR" is nowhere to be found. They tell viewers that HLG picture quality is something that comes with UHD resolution.

I agree that HDR is the thing which is the most exciting leap in picture quality (since the introduction of colour, IMHO), and NOT the resolution. The idea that 8K over 4K will be anything that anyone is clamouring for is ludicrous IMHO.

Originally Posted by Auditor55

4K is a marketing thing. I wish we start using UHD instead of 4K in our discussions.

In the UK, they do, unfortunately. The BBC, Sky and all others doggedly use the accurate term "UHD", and it's been a massive disaster. The general public really don't understand/care. But as soon as you say "4K" which as you say isn't technically correct, everyone instantly knows that it means ~four times the resolution of HD. They've seen the term 4K plastered on all the streaming services; they bought a TV which was sold to them as "4K" TV not a "UHD" TV. Also they are told every time they go to the cinema to watch a movie in piubic that they are watching a "4K" projection [at that huge screen size and far viewing distance providing excellent quality, further proving that there's no need for 8K displays within the home].

Although I normally value accuracy and precision in all things, using "4K" instead of "UHD" is one limited thing that I think the marketeers got it right. Just this once. Look at Amazon Prime Video - they hedge their bets / get it fully wrong and call their stuff "4K UHD"!! LOL.

IMHO it would be easier to persuade the whole world to pronounce "gif" with a soft "g" than to turn the clock back now and persuade TV manufacturers and streamers to use the term UHD.

[Afriendofours]

Originally Posted by I DO BLU

According to the scale of global annual shipments of about 200 million units, 8K TVs only have a scale of 300,000 units, and the market share is only 0.15%. More importantly, 8K TVs have been developed for 7-8 years now, not only has the sales volume not improved at all, but this year may face a "reduction" of over 20% for the first time. It can be said that the current situation of 8K TV is a bit like "a little bit of flameout before it really starts". Such a situation will inevitably make the brands that "bet" on 8K TV a bit "chilling".

Yes 8k is surging in sales

Until we see actual content in 8k, 8k TV sales will remain like that. With that said, the new LG 8k TV I saw at Best Buy looked awesome! Though its $9,999 and I didn't have my wheelbarrow with me.

[puddy77]

Seven was remastered in 8k for IMAX.

https://www.indiewire.com/features/i...ew-1234974911/

So was Pi a little while ago. Anyone keeping a list of feature films ready for 8k? Are we into double digits yet?

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by puddy77

Seven was remastered in 8k for IMAX.

https://www.indiewire.com/features/i...ew-1234974911/

So was Pi a little while ago. Anyone keeping a list of feature films ready for 8k? Are we into double digits yet?

Remastering a 16mm show in 8K (Pi) is one of the most pointless things ever

[Law212]

Originally Posted by R3P0

We barely get broadcasts in 4K what makes anyone think that 8K is coming anytime soon. Lets be real TV broadcasters are not going to change anything. Most well have is Netflix leading the way with 8K movies but it will be so compressed it will suck.

Apparently the Quest 3 now has 8K video. I'm interested to check it out .

[mrtickleuk]

Very fair analysis of the decline of 8K from the point of view of manufacturers, content creators, and customers.

Your 8K TV Questions, Answered | You Asked Ep. 37 - YouTube

[smoothbutter]

Originally Posted by R3P0

And I agree with you especially considering 4K isnt really 4K its missing like 600x600 pixels or something. My point is a simple one. Until major events are all broadcast in 4K aside from the world series and some 1 off college football games, 4K is not even a thing unless you dropped $$$ on a good player and have the movies.

Lets start with make 4K truly 4K then we can go from there before talking about 8k.

Broadcast major events NCAA Finals/Final 4, CFB National championship and all January 1 bowl games/playoff games. NFL Superbowl and Many games leading upto it. NHL finals, and NBA finals. These all need to be 4K.

This talking point is stupid. That's like saying the majority of tv stations will never broadcast in 8k within our lifetime, so there is 0% reason to ever own one!

Yes, right now there are some pretty niche uses for it like viewing your own 8K videos and pics you take yourself, or choosing an 8k desktop background

There certainly are more normalized usages you can use as selling points like using the extra screen real estate for work purposes without having to scale things that can cause errors for desktop users. There is the fact that most pc games and emulators can be played in 8K, and lastly movies will eventually come out in 8k even if they are digital only.

I wouldn't say the differences as of now are worth paying 50%+ more for a 4K tv with the same exact specs when it comes to the average consumer, but the differences ae there to make it worth it for the people who care enough. Not to mention that same spec tv will still give off a better picture if the upscaling processor is good enough. I would expect great things from Sony's next 8K tv given how much of a jump the Bravia 9 is. The 8K generation don't start until Sony releases their next Z series tv with a new upscaling architecture if you ask me.

[Geoff D]

Meh.

[sapiendut]

Originally Posted by R3P0

And I agree with you especially considering 4K isnt really 4K its missing like 600x600 pixels or something. My point is a simple one. Until major events are all broadcast in 4K aside from the world series and some 1 off college football games, 4K is not even a thing unless you dropped $$$ on a good player and have the movies.

Lets start with make 4K truly 4K then we can go from there before talking about 8k.

Broadcast major events NCAA Finals/Final 4, CFB National championship and all January 1 bowl games/playoff games. NFL Superbowl and Many games leading upto it. NHL finals, and NBA finals. These all need to be 4K.

The world doesn’t revolve around sports.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by smoothbutter

Yes, right now there are some pretty niche uses for it like viewing your own 8K videos and pics you take yourself, or choosing an 8k desktop background

There certainly are more normalized usages you can use as selling points like using the extra screen real estate for work purposes without having to scale things that can cause errors for desktop users. There is the fact that most pc games and emulators can be played in 8K

aren't you staying in the ultra niche usage with your examples? most people don't have HTPCs (and work while watching a film in their LR) or gaming PCs hooked up to their TV.

and lastly movies will eventually come out in 8k even if they are digital only.

I don't know if that is true, but let's assume it is. I bought myself an HD TV when ATSC came out, when BD came out I had to buy a new TV , because it had the wrong HDMI connector for 1080p output from my player. With UHD BD I bought myself a 4k Tv but that 4k TV is not Atsc3 compatible so if i want 4k with the TVs tuner I need to buy a new TV. A few pages back there was a deal between Samsung and Amazon for a few minutes of 8k content on Amazon prime, but that would only be available for people buying new 8k TVs from Samsung because the older ones where incompatible. Even if one day there is 8k content to peoples homes that does not mean the person that buys an 8k TV today will be able to use it, history, if anything, shows the opposite to be true.

I would expect great things from Sony's next 8K tv given how much of a jump the Bravia 9 is. The 8K generation don't start until Sony releases their next Z series tv with a new upscaling architecture if you ask me.

no matter how good that is still useless upscaling. Detail that is not there in the source cannot be magically added by the display.

[Bernardo A.]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

no matter how good that is still useless upscaling. Detail that is not there in the source cannot be magically added by the display.

Upscaling is not useless, you know. Back in the day, prestige 35mm films would be optically enlarged to fill a 70mm print. And they were exhibited with awesome results.

The electronics industry couldn’t care less about this. They know all about layman’s fascination with numbers and will push 8K, 16K and whatever comes next.

Meanwhile, film industry will still be locked to 2K/4K for the foreseeable future.

People will have 8K TVs at home, while their local LieMAX theatre still has 2K projectors (and looks better).

[apollo828]

Originally Posted by smoothbutter

and lastly movies will eventually come out in 8k even if they are digital only.

I really doubt that. You can't get around the fact that my pixels require more rendering time. I think it's only been in the past couple of years that we've seen 4K DIs become relatively standard in the industry. Even then, there's loads of material out there that's finished at 2K, mainly indie productions, quite a few TV shows, etc. Are there even decent 8K cameras used by Hollywood? Last I heard, 6K is about as high as they get, and even then, not everybody uses those cameras.

Maybe things really will change one day. For now, I have zero desire to buy an 8K display. Maybe I will if I end up like a buddy and buy a piece of property where I can set up a 25' screen outdoors. Beyond that, it's just a waste of money for 99+% of the general population. With the chances of an 8K optical format being released being near-zero anytime soon, if ever, that leaves bit-starved streamers, assuming Kaleidescape or some other high-bitrate service doesn't step up to the plate for the mass consumer market. 'Til then, no thanks.

[RalphoR]

I'm absolutely fine with 4k but if Kaleidescape were provided true 8k movies from the studios and all I needed was a native 8k (or even a current e-shift 8k) projector then why not?