Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Jumpman]

Originally Posted by ArmyOfDarknessAW

For the people that legitimately like and use digital...Do you stick to one provider or jump around? Basically I feel tied to VUDU with 700+ in my library, but I've grown to really like what Google Play offers. I want to purchase some stuff from there, but part of me wants it all to be in one place. I just bought Train to Busan for $0.99 which is incredible, but I so wish it was in VUDU. Just curious what other people do for their library of movies.

I mainly stay with one provider; iTunes. The only exception is for when/if I buy BDs and it only comes with an Ultraviolet Digital Copy. If it does and I really, really, really like it, I'll redeem it on Vudu just to have one for on the go. But, I'm mainly iTunes for their UI on their iOS devices, the fact that the special features match or exceed what's on the BD, and personally, I think the picture quality is better on iTunes than Vudu.

That's just me...

[twobelowpar]

Originally Posted by Jumpman

I mainly stay with one provider; iTunes. The only exception is for when/if I buy BDs and it only comes with an Ultraviolet Digital Copy. If it does and I really, really, really like it, I'll redeem it on Vudu just to have one for on the go. But, I'm mainly iTunes for their UI on their iOS devices, the fact that the special features match or exceed what's on the BD, and personally, I think the picture quality is better on iTunes than Vudu.

That's just me...

Same here, except I usually redeem the UV codes I buy. iTunes first, if no code, then UV. Bluray for the finest films I want to have on disc. My one beef with iTunes though is the audio. Watching Silence last night, I had to have my volume all the way to 45-50 (on a scale of 100) and I find this is often the case with my ATV. Not sure if it's my sound set up but I don't have this problem on Vudu via Roku. The audio seems more crisp with Vudu. I'm no AV techie though so I don't know.

[irighti]

I am new to building my digital library. I currently use vudu. I was able to tie my disney movies to it as well, which has been awesome for some of the longer car trips with the kids.

I do have a question though. I plan to add more to my collection using the disc to digital app. when I purchase a digital title on vudu (I have only activated uv copies so far), does that purchase also go to my uv locker...so I can stream it on another service if I wanted to?

as for the thread title topic, physical or digital. both. I plan to keep all my physical media to always have access to it, but being able to open up vudu or itunes and have access to most of the same titles--- that is so cool, no one can deny that. just my thoughts.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Now taking it a step further, if I loaded my Back-up Blu-ray Disc Collection onto a Home Server and set up Kodi to Access this to my Entertainment Center. Then I could Stream this Movie Content with the Kodi App at a 1:1 Picture & Audio Quality.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

The average family are not going to be bothered with all this. They just want to zone out on the sofa after work and stream Netflix or whack in a DVD/Bluray.

You're right it was a lot of problems, and added expense just Backing up my Blu-rays. When UV Digital HD came along, I stopped Backing up my Discs. So my point was, if you have your Collection on a Local Server with the 1:1 Codec you'll have excellent Picture and Audio Quality.

[irighti]

thank you.

another question to anyone. I saw something in the fine print of only allowing 100 disc to digital redemptions a year. will this be something that is strongly enforced, or did I just make up this clause by reading something incorrectly?

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You're right it was a lot of problems, and added expense just Backing up my Blu-rays. When UV Digital HD came along, I stopped Backing up my Discs. So my point was, if you have your Collection on a Local Server with the 1:1 Codec you'll have excellent Picture and Audio Quality.

And you'll be using physical distribution.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You're right it was a lot of problems, and added expense just Backing up my Blu-rays. When UV Digital HD came along, I stopped Backing up my Discs. So my point was, if you have your Collection on a Local Server with the 1:1 Codec you'll have excellent Picture and Audio Quality.

Putting words in my mouth again there.

Let it go. Ultravile is dying.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You're right it was a lot of problems, and added expense just Backing up my Blu-rays. When UV Digital HD came along, I stopped Backing up my Discs. So my point was, if you have your Collection on a Local Server with the 1:1 Codec you'll have excellent Picture and Audio Quality.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Putting words in my mouth again there.

Let it go. UltraViolet is dying.

Only in your eyes and The UK, here in The States it's Thriving! The UV Market is going strong, prices of UV Codes keep going up. While iTune Codes keep going down, so the Apple people should be worried. Master brought up something, Chevy vs Ford, PC vs Apple, and UV vs iTunes. Chevy, PC & UV All The Way!

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Only in your eyes and The UK, here in The States it's Thriving! The UV Market is going strong, prices of UV Codes keep going up. While iTune Codes keep going down, so the Apple people should be worried. Master brought up something, Chevy vs Ford, PC vs Apple, and UV vs iTunes. Chevy, PC & UV All The Way!

Both Ultraviolet and iTunes sales combined are far below Blu-ray sales. So how can you claim that Ultraviolet is thriving and Blu-ray is dying?

[SarahS]

Originally Posted by PenguinMaster

Both Ultraviolet and iTunes sales combined are far below Blu-ray sales. So how can you claim that Ultraviolet is thriving and Blu-ray is dying?

Blu Ray is not that big of a seller either. In fact "most" of your average Joe's and Judi's out there still buy DVD more than Blu Ray at your local Wal Mart. In fact there are quite a few Wal Mart's in my area that don't even have the Blu Ray discount Bin only the DVD bins.

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by SarahS

Blu Ray is not that big of a seller either. In fact "most" of your average Joe's and Judi's out there still buy DVD more than Blu Ray at your local Wal Mart. In fact there are quite a few Wal Mart's in my area that don't even have the Blu Ray discount Bin only the DVD bins.

Yes, DVD is still the best selling of all the formats. That's even more proof that physical media isn't dying.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Only in your eyes and The UK, here in The States it's Thriving! The UV Market is going strong, prices of UV Codes keep going up. While iTune Codes keep going down, so the Apple people should be worried. Master brought up something, Chevy vs Ford, PC vs Apple, and UV vs iTunes. Chevy, PC & UV All The Way!

Originally Posted by PenguinMaster

Both Ultraviolet and iTunes sales combined are far below Blu-ray sales. So how can you claim that Ultraviolet is thriving and Blu-ray is dying?

Sorry Penguin, but Blu-ray and Disc are fading fast I Posted some Articles that pointed to this. Digital Sales are inline with Physical, and are predicted to over take very soon. Streaming Video is the only way to go these days, and the Cord Cutters just can't get enough.

http://fortune.com/2016/01/08/blu-ra...streaming-age/

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Sorry Penguin, but Blu-ray and Disc are fading fast I Posted some Articles that pointed to this. Digital Sales are inline with Physical, and are predicted to over take very soon. Streaming Video is the only way to go these days, and the Cord Cutters just can't get enough.

http://fortune.com/2016/01/08/blu-ra...streaming-age/

Digital subscription services (like Netflix and Amazon Prime) are rising sharply but digital sales are not.

http://degonline.org/wp-content/uplo...tion_Final.pdf

In 2016 in the United States physical sales (DVD & Blu-ray) made approximately $5.5 billion. Digital sales (iTunes, UV, Vudu, Amazon, etc.) made approximately $2 billion. They aren't going to take over anytime soon.

[Texan26]

Originally Posted by PenguinMaster

Both Ultraviolet and iTunes sales combined are far below Blu-ray sales. So how can you claim that Ultraviolet is thriving and Blu-ray is dying?

Last year, digital sales in US: 2.01b. While DVD and blu-ray combined made 5.49b. Even if blu-ray has half of that 5.9b which I doubt, it's still very close.

https://www.anthonynotes.com/2017/02...eo-sales-dvds/

Physical sales down 10% and dropping fast.

[TheDean]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Only in your eyes and The UK, here in The States it's Thriving! The UV Market is going strong, prices of UV Codes keep going up. While iTune Codes keep going down, so the Apple people should be worried. Master brought up something, Chevy vs Ford, PC vs Apple, and UV vs iTunes. Chevy, PC & UV All The Way!

UV codes prices rising isn't a good thing. Its terrible. It just shows that the studios found something a small number of people like, but refuse to pay full price from the digital store. So they illegally purchase a code from someone that bought a disc. Loosing the studio money.

I wouldn't say UV is "thriving" in the states. Since 2013 the logo has been removed from the front covers of Blu-rays. Since last year the only place it is mentioned on Fox products is in fine print. Plus there is still one major studio that continues to ignore it and started its own thing, that is doing equally well on its own. If not better.

UV providers keep going down all over the world. Someday only Vudu will remain and how useful UV will be then?

Apple is not worried. When people buy Warner and Sony movies from them, they they pay with money, not a code.

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by Texan26

Last year, digital sales in US: 2.01b. While DVD and blu-ray combined made 5.49b. Even if blu-ray has half of that 5.9b which I doubt, it's still very close.

But why would you compare all digital sales (SD, HD, & UHD) to just Blu-ray?

Originally Posted by Texan26

https://www.anthonynotes.com/2017/02...eo-sales-dvds/

Physical sales down 10% and dropping fast.

Which is a smaller drop then the previous year. Meanwhile digital sales only rose by 5% which is a significantly smaller rise than the previous year. At those rates it'll take more than a decade for digital sales to be higher than physical sales and many decades before physical media isn't profitable.

Plus from what I've heard the entirety of that 10% drop for physical media is DVD. Blu-ray is holding steady.

[Texan26]

Originally Posted by TheDean

UV codes prices rising isn't a good thing. Its terrible. It just shows that the studios found something a small number of people like, but refuse to pay full price from the digital store. So they illegally purchase a code from someone that bought a disc. Loosing the studio money.

People refuse to pay full price for blu-rays also. Lots of used cheap sales of blu-rays on eBay and other sources.

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by TheDean

UV codes prices rising isn't a good thing. Its terrible. It just shows that the studios found something a small number of people like, but refuse to pay full price from the digital store. So they illegally purchase a code from someone that bought a disc. Loosing the studio money.

There's nothing illegal about buying or selling codes. When someone buys a Blu-ray / Digital combo they've bought 2 legitimate copies of the film and they are entitled to sell them separately if they choose.

[Texan26]

Originally Posted by PenguinMaster

But why would you compare all digital sales (SD, HD, & UHD) to just one Blu-ray?

You were doing the same thing. I was going by your quote which you have now deleted. You were stating all digitals sales are below blu-ray sales which you then saw was incorrect. This was your quote: "Both Ultraviolet and iTunes sales combined are far below Blu-ray sales.

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by Texan26

You were doing the same thing. I was going by your quote which you have now deleted. You were stating all digitals sales are below blu-ray sales which you then saw was incorrect. This was your quote: "Both Ultraviolet and iTunes sales combined are far below Blu-ray sales.

I didn't delete the quote, just look a few posts back. It's an accurate statement.

I was comparing two digital formats (Ultraviolet and iTunes) to one physical format (Blu-ray) when you decided to throw in the rest of the digital formats I thought it was only fair to throw in the rest of the physical formats as well.