Star Trek The Motion Picture Director's Edition 4K UHD/DLX (1979)

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Maxwell Everett

I think all in all the image looks pretty great here. The noise reduction was tastefully done, in my opinion. They clearly used it lightly on a shot-by-shot and per-channel basis, and no important object detail appears to have been lost. Then they went over it with either simulated grain or scanned grain from the new 4K image harvest.

Most people seem to agree - it's the "grain management" done on the 4K of the theatrical that ticked off a lot of people.

[Bolty]

Originally Posted by suspiciouscoffee

I still didn’t notice it when I watched the other day and I was watching, and I expect I wouldn’t have caught the armbands either if I was looking at Kirk where my eye would otherwise have been directed by the camera move.

Yep. If I had read that they fixed it I would have looked at the 2 armbands and then looked back down at Kirk because....he's talking. I doubt if I would have stared at it until it rose out of frame.
But instead I read that they blew the fix!
Same thing with shuttle -- it takes off. I doubt if I would have followed it till the scene ended.
It's nice people scrutinize this stuff but it's not the kind of error that bugs me.

In ST 3 they needed a shot of a tree being uprooted near Saavik and they randomly inserted a shot of a tree being uprooted with a Klingon in the shot! At a time when the Klingons were still miles away. They had to have noticed a big Klingon in the shot by they figured the fans won't notice.
Really, Saavik doesn't look much like a Klingon does she. A purposeful (unless they were blind) shot thrown in just to get a certain shot that they didn't have, but felt they needed.
And then later when the Ent bridge explodes a Klingon goes flying and a stagehand reaches across the entire frame and tries to catch him. I know they couldn't reshoot that scene and they had no CGI back then to erase him but by trimming a few frames they could have edited the arm out.

Love him or hate him "1970s guy" was clearly not meant to be seen at the tram station in TMP and yet there he is. So 3 frames of green/orange switch -- not going to ruin my enjoyment at all.

[KC-Technerd]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

It's still The Beige Adventure but there's a more neutral hue to the white balance vs the warmer theatrical 4K, and the skin tones are slightly pinkier and have less of that classic slightly orangey sheen seen in the theatrical 4K.

I meant to get back to this earlier. Maybe it's because I only saw it theatrically twice, then watched it over and over on SelectaVision CED VideoDisc and LaserDisc, as well as having The Photostory and seeing printed still frames elsewhere, but I just don't remember it being so beige. I remember it being more gray and silver, giving the beige uniforms some contrast. I also remember other colors standing out more, like the departmental colors on the uniforms. Maybe it's just bad memory or wishful thinking, but it makes me wonder if it's been warmed up too much for the 4K releases. I actually liked the color from the original Blu-ray release best.

As far as the "classic slightly orangey sheen," I keep noticing skin tones lacking pink and pushed a bit into orange clay pot range on classic (60s-90s) pre-HDR movies that are regraded for HDR. Oddly, I also notice it on the accompanying Blu-ray disc in SDR if there is one. However I won't notice it on an early Blu-ray release of the same movie (no HDR grading). It's often just the occasional scene where this stands out. It's just enough to give me the sense that the color just isn't right. It's not on every HDR title either. The color in the Back to the Future trilogy HDR 4K looks great to me. It makes me wonder if there is something in the HDR grading that just isn't resulting in quite the right color when scanning certain film stocks.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by mar3o

Yeah, I've said it many times in many threads. The gift wrap option you pay extra for doesn't guarantee it's going to be in a gift box. Often it's just a pretty bag. Ludicrous.

Every single time that I have paid for the gift wrapping option at Amazon the purchased item was placed into a gift bag which was then shipped in a standard Amazon cardboard box. The only reason that I pay for the gift wrapping option is to get Amazon to use a shipping box. I have never received anything in a gift box.

It doesn't always protect the purchased item any better as the orangutans working at UPS seem to sense the challenge and go even further out of their way to destroy the package. Ironically, the gift bag itself always arrives in great shape.

Of course, this is Amazon and there often seems to be little rhyme or reason as to how they do things and our experiences with them vary widely.

[User897]

At least you guys are receiving something. Mine has been in purgatory since 6th September.

[SwissHD]

Originally Posted by Number_6

Well, I don't want to argue.

Oh me neither. That was nothing personal. All good.

Originally Posted by Number_6

part of the problem is the Fein and his team are too big a fans. That's exactly what I'm talking about. I think this might have actually been better if someone a little more detached had been in charge as they might have stayed a bit more one point. But we'll never know.

I agree with you about that a 100 percent.
Thats what i said too.
I just found the "Fanboy Edit" term a bit to harsh because for me to call it a "Fein Fanboy Edit" it would have needed much more changes in comparison with the 2001 edit.

For me honestly the Directors Cut even 2001 was revisionism anyway.
Yeah all that talk about "We wanna do it like we would have done it in the 70ties" was there but Vger was Full CGI back in 2001 and also several other additions. So it never looked like it was done in the 70ties
Of course that was totally acceptable because you cant expect them to build an old fashioned model and do it like 1979
I love that they used the original Vger Design Concept cause the intent was ALWAYS to show the damn thing.

But i was always ok with it not looking like its done in 1979 because its impossible to achieve in my opinion when you redo effects with modern CG technology.

But in 2001 they did most of the things tastefully even if it looked way more modern than the 1979 original stuff in parts.
In 2022 they lost that taste for me only with the Lounge Scene.
Other things (for example Vulcan matte paintings, VGer Walk finale) are looking even better than 2001 which is a good thing (for me).

In the end its like i wrote:
Matter of personal taste.

I hope you watch it soon. Would be interesting to read your thoughts after you saw it.

[SwissHD]

Originally Posted by Maxwell Everett

Obviously, different people have different tastes for these sorts of things. Some people prefer the image not to be altered at all, just dust and scratches removed, and that's understandable and totally valid.

Exactly.
I can see where people like GeoffD are coming from and totally accept that point of view.

Originally Posted by Maxwell Everett

For me, I thought it looked fantastic when I projected it last week. Good stuff.

Same here.
I watched it projected on Big Screen and had a blast with it.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Maxwell Everett

Thanks for these, Goofnut!

I think all in all the image looks pretty great here. The noise reduction was tastefully done, in my opinion. They clearly used it lightly on a shot-by-shot and per-channel basis, and no important object detail appears to have been lost. Then they went over it with either simulated grain or scanned grain from the new 4K image harvest.

Obviously, different people have different tastes for these sorts of things. Some people prefer the image not to be altered at all, just dust and scratches removed, and that's understandable and totally valid. For me, I thought it looked fantastic when I projected it last week. Good stuff.

The caps - of which Goofy hasn’t selected any of the most smoothed over moments, huh - make it look marvellous, but in motion it often lacks that final bit of filmic texture that I’d expect. (I know you just said you watched it, but I’ll say that about the caps anyway.) And I’ll state it plainly that this time I don’t mean that in relation to any other version of the film on disc but for celluloid of this vintage in general, it just looks ‘off’ to me. The only frozen/trailing grain occurs in older VFX shots rather than the live action, so at least they didn’t push the live action DNR to those extremes.

Originally Posted by KC-Technerd

I meant to get back to this earlier. Maybe it's because I only saw it theatrically twice, then watched it over and over on SelectaVision CED VideoDisc and LaserDisc, as well as having The Photostory and seeing printed still frames elsewhere, but I just don't remember it being so beige. I remember it being more gray and silver, giving the beige uniforms some contrast. I also remember other colors standing out more, like the departmental colors on the uniforms. Maybe it's just bad memory or wishful thinking, but it makes me wonder if it's been warmed up too much for the 4K releases. I actually liked the color from the original Blu-ray release best.

As far as the "classic slightly orangey sheen," I keep noticing skin tones lacking pink and pushed a bit into orange clay pot range on classic (60s-90s) pre-HDR movies that are regraded for HDR. Oddly, I also notice it on the accompanying Blu-ray disc in SDR if there is one. However I won't notice it on an early Blu-ray release of the same movie (no HDR grading). It's often just the occasional scene where this stands out. It's just enough to give me the sense that the color just isn't right. It's not on every HDR title either. The color in the Back to the Future trilogy HDR 4K looks great to me. It makes me wonder if there is something in the HDR grading that just isn't resulting in quite the right color when scanning certain film stocks.

I think it’s the other way around, that these “classic” stocks resulted in something of a warmer tone at source, it’s just been dialled out by years of home video transfers making them look far too pink or far too greeny/yellow.

[SpaceMind]

I prefer the Director's Cut but... there is one thing that always bugs me... I prefer the original Red Alert klaxon. I don't know why the klaxon was changed.

[Jeyl]

Originally Posted by SpaceMind

I prefer the Director's Cut but... there is one thing that always bugs me... I prefer the original Red Alert klaxon. I don't know why the klaxon was changed.

That Klaxon Is good for super critical situations that don't require dialogue. But when dialogue is being uttered, I don't think it meshes with dialogue at all. The sound design when the Enterprise is first attacked by V'Ger sounds way more Star Trek than that 'sound effects overload' from the original theatrical version.

[Don Corleone]

Are you guys gonna stick the bumper stickers on your car. I actually like them

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Don Corleone

Are you guys gonna stick the bumper stickers on your car. I actually like them

I personally don't advertise anything on my vehicle. Now, if Paramount were to pay me I would. I honestly don't get Apple, Yeti, or any other products stickers on vehicles.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Don Corleone

Are you guys gonna stick the bumper stickers on your car. I actually like them

These bumper stickers are the tiniest such stickers that I have ever seen. You'd have to be tailgating someone to read them.

I offered to put them on my friend's cars, but they all declined.

[suspiciouscoffee]

I think these were touted as laptop stickers that just look like retro bumper stickers.

[GrouchoFan]

It looks to me like the U.K. release got actual bumper stickers, but the USA set got "laptop stickers" that recreate the style of bumper stickers, as described in the fine print on the back of the box. Another difference I noticed in an unboxing video, that guy's poster was folded in half twice; mine was only folded in half once. Why the difference?

[Jar Jar Stinks]

Originally Posted by Don Corleone

Are you guys gonna stick the bumper stickers on your car. I actually like them

When the movie was in the theaters, they had a cross-promotion with McDonald's to make Star Trek happy meals. Inside was an iron-on transfer of the Star Trek Starfleet insignia. I put it on a white t-shirt and wore it to school. I was mercilessly taunted by the other 7th graders.

Do you really think I want to go through that ordeal again?

[Jar Jar Stinks]

Originally Posted by GrouchoFan

It looks to me like the U.K. release got actual bumper stickers, but the USA set got "laptop stickers" that recreate the style of bumper stickers, as described in the fine print on the back of the box.

Is it a semantics thing? Or are they somehow different?

[Also, considering all the other ridiculous alternative words Brits use, like "boot," "bonnet," and "lorry," you'd think they'd have a different word for "bumper."]

[KMFDMvsEnya]

Originally Posted by GrouchoFan

It looks to me like the U.K. release got actual bumper stickers, but the USA set got "laptop stickers" that recreate the style of bumper stickers, as described in the fine print on the back of the box. Another difference I noticed in an unboxing video, that guy's poster was folded in half twice; mine was only folded in half once. Why the difference?

Looks like the UK set does have proper bumper stickers whereas it appears as though the US got 'laptop' sized stickers. Curious.

[GrouchoFan]

Originally Posted by Jar Jar Stinks

Is it a semantics thing? Or are they somehow different?

[Also, considering all the other ridiculous alternative words Brits use, like "boot," "bonnet," and "lorry," you'd think they'd have a different word for "bumper."]

I think they intend for USA consumers to put on them on their laptop computers because they are so small (I hear that's something people do); the UK set came with actual physically LARGER stickers (based on the unboxing video) than the USA got.

As far as I know, laptop is not a Britishism for bumper, or vice-versa; however, if some attractive British bird ever wanted to park her bumper on my laptop, I would not object.

[Vilya]

These bumper, or laptop, or whatever you want to call them stickers are only 6" long by 1.75" high.

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